TourNotes's Peter King on the supremacy of Filipe Toledo and crummy judging decisions…
Last year I interviewed the former pro surfer turned video-journalist Peter King on his use of tour surfers as his personal marionettes. There can be no shadow of a doubt that the old crone has the good humoured admiration of all the best surfers in the world, and this includes Kelly Slater and John John Florence.
Do you watch his creation Tour Notes? Of course you do!
Why does he succeed while others hack up work solemnly tiresome and dull?
“I don’t drink, never drank, I love sugar, but I’m not threatening anyone’s space. I’m not some 26 year old shucking and jiving my way up the marketing chain. I’m not trying to be anyone’s agent, I’m not trying to be a host of the webcast, I’m not trying to make 15 dollars on a Surfline photo. There’s no jealousy. It’s just me. “
Two weeks, ago, the noted writer Rory Parker theorised that 2015 was surfing’s dead-ball era of surfing, a boring game of numbers, surfers drilled into mindless conformity by repetitious scoring and events. And PK responded thus:
“I don’t think it was boring. I found a lot of great moments out there…not sure if the right stories though are always being told.Perhaps Rory you need to get on this tour with me! Between my #Tournotes style stories and you reporting your take on things, I think there would be an untold amount of interest generated from the Tour stops and characters …regardless of who wins what heats.”
I like PK’s candour so I interviewed him, again, for his opinion, which I believe entirely lacks prejudice, of the 2015 season.
If anyone messes up they have to leave. Except the judges. The judges don’t answer to anyone. It’s more like a supreme court than a surfing contest. I’ve sat around, watched jaws drop at scores, and a couple of days later they apologise. But there goes someone’s livelihood. Filipe great Adriano at Trestles, hands down, and yet we get to the end of the tour and Adriano’s the world champ.
BeachGrit: Rory wrote about the dead-ball era of surfing, that it was the most tedious in recent history. Do you agree or no?
PK: He was pretty spot on. The tour’s trying to play it safe the first couple of years out to satisfy everyone. My opinion is this: Everything is up for grabs on that tour. You can be fired like that, Brett Simpson didn’t qualify so he’s kicked off, goodbye thanks for coming. If Dave Prodan, the marketing manager says something wrong, he may have to leave. If anyone messes up they have to leave. Except the judges. The judges don’t answer to anyone. It’s more like a supreme court than a surfing contest. I’ve sat around, watched jaws drop at scores, and a couple of days later they apologise. But there goes someone’s livelihood. Filipe beat Adriano at Trestles, hands down, and yet we get to the end of the tour and Adriano’s the world champ. But there’s no way he beat Filipe at Trestles. And Filipe would’ve won that event, the way he was surfing.
And you can’t tell me Gabriel got a six-five for flopping down at Pipe. There’s a lot on the line, man. All the hype and the quality of surfing, they have to get the scores right. The big question is, how do we get the world champion we all agree on? We need to show Joe Shmoe, whom the WSL made a fan of surfing, that the fix isn’t in, and if boring is being celebrated as Rory articulated, how do we show excitement? Man, I don’t know. I’m not on the board of directors. I don’t even have a backstage pass.
BeachGrit: Who’s the best surfer in the world?
PK: Filipe is in the best surfer in the world, hands down. Everybody, everybody, admits that Filipe is the best, most exciting surfer in the world. He does a move and everyone’s jaw is down. Slater, John John, everyone knows it. He’s not the best in Tahiti, or big Fiji, or Pipe, yet, but he’s a kid and he’ll get better. He’s Brazilian so he’s crazy.
BeachGrit: You preach to the converted. I wrote a story a week or so back about Adriano, the pool, the shark, all conspiring to wipe Filipe’s three-event win season from our minds…
PK: He made everyone look ridiculous. No one had an answer. You know what I like? He claims tens. He doesn’t claim sixes. Everybody in the world can claim between nine-five and a ten. With all that stress, that’s cool. But begging for a six-five is a joke.
I think a combo of the smartest and best surfer pick would be Julian Wilson. He’s just that good in all-sized waves. I just don’t think he likes these world titles getting away from him. I feel like he let this year slip away. He probably should’ve been real close to wining that world title.
BeachGrit: What does it take to win a world title?
PK: You can’t win without being competitive. It doesn’t accidentally happen. Adriano, he’s not afraid to get into people’s faces. Mick, Julian, Kelly. These are guys who are not ashamed to win. John John seems like he doesn’t want to offend anyone. He cruises around and when he surfs a heat looks like a freesurfer paddled into the area. You can almost hear the commentators say, “Hey freesurfer, you’re great, but get out of the contest area.”
BeachGrit: John John and a world title? A dream?
PK: (Deep sigh) If I was reading one of those old Derek Hynd analysis in Surfer magazine, for world title, I’d say No Chance. Now, from my viewpoint, I give him a slight chance because he’s that good you can’t say no. John John should start travelling with Filipe.
BeachGrit: Are they good pals?
PK: Totally. Filipe is the only person he took to be in his movie. He love love loves Filipe. Everyone loves Filipe.
BeachGrit: Is he an easy-to-love kinda guy?
PK: Yeah, and the family’s amazing. So cool. The dad is completely wild and hilarious. They’re like a travelling circus. There’s twenty-seven of them! (Pause) No, but it feels like it.
Why do we have to listen to Ross Williams second-guess a score? Can we remove the middle man? How did they arrive at the decision? Do we have to hear Pottz or Ross say it was an eight five, they get a seven, and no one knows why? Can’t we just ask ‘em?
BeachGrit: How about the current state of the WSL?
PK: It’s the biggest it’s ever been globally. It’s an interesting time. These guys have a business to run with millions and millions of dollars. They’ve gotta get it right. They genuinely want to get it right. There’s nothing evil and they’re not trying to trick the public. The judges froth to surf, those guys are out there every morning, everyone’s a fan of surfing. There’s no malice. But we all pull our hair out when we see a bad decision. What can we do about it?
BeachGrit: An independent ombudsman, maybe?
PK: Maybe the tour guys could have an app and if a decision is heinous, they can text a red dot. A red flag. If there’s enough, let’s say 17 dots, the decision gets looked at. And why can’t we listen to the judges themselves? Why do we have to listen to Ross Williams second-guess a score? Can we remove the middle man? How did they arrive at the decision? Do we have to hear Pottz or Ross say it was an eight five, they get a seven, and no one knows why? Can’t we just ask ‘em?
BeachGrit: My experience with (head judge) Rich Porta has been delightful. He’d happily explain… anything.
Earlier in the year, earlier in the year, the judges told Kolohe airs wouldn’t be counted unless they were ridden out of perfectly. Everyone I was sitting with watching Gabriel shook their heads and could not believe he got the score. He fell down, he triple claimed. It was pathetic. It was… pathetic… that he got that score
PK: Richie is so gnarly, dude. If he wasn’t that confident, that mentally tough, he would’ve killed himself by now. He doesn’t care what you think. He loves it. Put a normal human being in that job and he’s dead…
BeachGrit: Let’s talk about Gabriel’s six-five at Pipe a little. I saw a rotation and then some, the score fitted, as it was more dazzling than another two-second, four-foot tube.
PK: Okay, earlier in the year, the judges told Kolohe airs wouldn’t be counted unless they were ridden out of perfectly. Everyone I was sitting with watching Gabriel shook their heads and could not believe he got the score. He fell down, he triple claimed. It was pathetic. It was… pathetic… that he got that score. Someone debating about the score on text, though, was Shane Dorian. He said it was a radical move and definitely the score. Now, get Rich Porta in the booth and explain why he got a six-five. At the end of the day, go through controversial heats with Ronnie Blakey saying to Richie, “Three heavy results today. Come down and talk about it. Prove your point to me on TV.” We need to have an honest and open understanding of what’s going on.
BeachGrit: What’s your take on Gabriel, forgettable first half, sizzling second?
PK: He’s the forgotten story. He’s been riding an SUP all year, pretty much. His surfboards are 23 inches wide and four inches thick. I could literally stand-up paddle those things. He’s unstoppable on ‘em. He’s probably got 36 litres under him. The biggest things I’ve ever seen. He’s got big thick legs. Legs like an elephant. Jordy’s legs and David Beckham’s torso. They’re contest machines. They come pre-stickered, all those stickers are laminates. He’s not wasting his time putting stickers on boards. His act is… tight.
BeachGrit: What do you think of Kelly’s pool?
PK: It’s incredible and I hope to get there soon. But it’s just a test facility, which is lost on a lot of people. It’s not what he’s building. It’s not for everyone to come and surf. It was just some cheap land to test everything out. From what I know, it’s not a secret. He’s been trying to build it for ten years. He wanted everyone in the industry to come in on it but no one wanted to. I bet they feel stupid now. That’s probably a ten billion dollar idea. I just want to get a job as a lifeguard at one. He told me we’re going to the pool in February. But you know Kelly. He’ll tell people he’ll bring them to Fiji, tell ‘em he’s not going, then call ‘em from Fiji to tell ‘em how good it is.
BeachGrit: What’s gonna happen on the tour this year?
PK: Kelly Slater’s going to win the world title, Julian Wilson too. Contradictory? Yeah, but I’m covering bases.
PK said “We need to show Joe Shmoe, whom the WSL made a fan of surfing, that the fix isn’t in, and if boring is being celebrated as Rory articulated, how do we show excitement?”
Make it country vs. country – tag team style format, they can wrestle trip each other over running into water, gain whatever little advantage. Then they can hassle the shit out of each other in the water in 3-4 man heats.
They all seem to be mates because they’re living the dream!! Definitely need less sanctioning of post heat blow ups a la Bobby Martinez. Let them speak their mind. Let commentators call it like it is.
Importantly the judges can immediately explain their decision to losers, with audio and cameras present, then they can hammer it out.
Just siding with your “country” or team should create enough disharmony and excitement – it always does online!!!
Peter King – brand ambassador for Hurley for life.
yeah, I didn’t realise that. Thought he was an independent voice who could call it as he saw it. Soon as he implied Brett Simpson was the victim of a miscarriage of justice alarm bells went off.
why can’t they have three to four-man heats all the time?
i do.
then it is never gets dull and it’s easier to measure everyone’s performance against each other.
So same could be said otherwise? As in someone who’s the best in Pipe, Chopes, Fiji, Jbay (who BTW, prob Medina)… cannot be the best surfer in the world?
So there’s no best… brilliant biased logic to which, I’m sure, someone will find the (moronic) answer to be JJF.
Carry on
Adriano is exactly what you deserve.
Adriano will cherish this win more than any pro surfer ever.
You: fans of pro surfing. He is your hero. Mick Fanning second.
beautiful. seriously.
but it is not about adriano. it’s all about US!
So John John,, who lost to Medina in heavy Chopes, Fiji, AND Pipe sucks. Live by the rules and die by the rules. Fuck pro surfing.
He’s extremely versatile in 30-40 foot surf that no one watches. BWWT can’t even get more than 2-3k viewers. He was sorta versatile 30 years ago. Like the surfing commentators. You’ve been busted. Enjoy AARP.
Great call. Why not bring back St. Leu and get virtually-guaranteed shark attacks thrown in!
Shane Dorian? No. Andy Irons? Yes. Kelly? Yes. John John can only win in Rio. Maybe HE needs to learn how to surf?
Or, can we just admit pro surfing is a complete scam, joke and collusive jail house of naivety?
Medina wn two contests his first full year on tour. John John won zero.
Who won Rookie of the Year? The great white hope.
Fuck him.
And fuck pro surfing.
The story of the contest should be John John choking.
Again.
You poke at Felipe.
Foolish.
You play by the rules you burn by the rules. John John is a choke artist.
Brilliant summation of John John’s competitive issues, but hell, it’s a deflating thought! One of the top five all-round surfers on the planet rarely manages to overcome the second round, all because of nonchalance and un-appreciative judging. This PK guy really is a mystery box that I’d love to see more of around these BeachGrit pages.
Unappreciative judging of JJF…….uh, nup.
He gets underjudged because he falls off (Margaret River Final against ADS) or forgets to catch waves (Trestles vs Glenn Hall).
Or, he looks too careless, resulting in the judges awarding higher scores to lesser surfers that try harder. I’m not saying JJF has it right, just that he’d be scored higher if he looked like he was working hard to surf as well as he does.
totally, love a surfer that makes it look like hard work
The judges seem to..
which is why people outside Brazil are a little concerned
#marilizelegajuana
no wonder they filmed it POV. no third party camera man could survive that mess
(sternly) not everything is about sex you know.
yes it is!
haha…way to ‘stab’lize bg…
I’m pretty jealous of pro surfers. I feel somewhat ripped off in life. The thought of them competing in an arena of shit for my pleasure brings me a cheap delight. That’s it Gabby duck dive! Claim with your mouth open ADS! #fromriowithlove
Well…. So, can we all agree that Dane Reynolds was NEVER the world’s best surfer and you guys are mostly a bunch of media robots??
Okay okay. I’m a media robot but you’re a Brazzo’s cum rag. Fair is fair.
No, we can not agree on this, James.
Pretty sure the actual undisputed king of surfing said he was the best in the world….I’ll take Kelly’s word over yours
Dane is the best. Hands down!
Maybe…. In small waves
I think you’re having the wrong conversation. The current format used by the WSL just doesn’t suit surfing. As long as we have man-on-man, elimination style contests, which are at the mercy of inconsistent judging, the tour is always going to be disappointing. They need to take a step back and try something different.
fuck yeah.
man on man surfing in most heats unless the surf is absolutely pumping mandates conservative surfing.
You fall, you pay too high a price because opportunity is so limited. Therefore, safety surfing wins heats more often than not. There’s four set waves at Trestles in half an hour. ADS’s two 7.5’s is going to beat your 10 and a 4.
The reason ADS beat JJF at Margaret River, he surfed conservatively and didn’t fall.
So Derek: is The Grit paying for Rory to go on tour with PK in 2016? Please?
If Rory couldn’t go, send James B! But i probably will need some security in Australia and in the USA… I kinda have a few haters around there….
You’re welcome in Australia . I’d be pleased to have you come stay with me. Every night we will have lessons on style and gracious sportsmanship. Then when you see clearly I’ll release you into the wild. Consider it a Brazzo Re-education Camp.
I guess the Aborigines had quite of your gracious sportsmanship and style education…
Idiot
Oh, you’re right – how idiotic of me, you didn’t release most black fellas into the wild, you massacred them…
No need to think out loud how you feel right now…
I’m on holiday right now. Fuck off dumb cunt
Geez you can’t get one right… I’m only half retarded but definitely not a Brazzo. Have a nice holiday and remember to keep applying that sunscreen so you don’t get sunburned and that lube so your butt doesn’t get chaffed!
Anytime in ol’ America James! We could spoon each other while we fall alseep.
Man, i actually love in San Clemente, but obviously nobody know i’m James B.
yeah, but you earned every one of em, champ
… you forgot to add “all you brazzos did”
Me?? I’m just a distributor of ideas!
James B: The Brazillian Inertia
Hey… you´re smart. Got the Inertia stuff…
Do you think that would be something you would like to read?
Are you kidding? That would be amazing.
regarding The Line song…. their best album is “Dissimilar” Volcom produced it on their label….. u can get it in iTunes….. “Dig Deep” is a good one track 7 , me thinks…
They really should borrow the big wave scoring, where the high score is doubled and your second score is out of 10. I think guys would be going bigger in heats.
I agree with you. However, if we judge the best surfer by the surfer who on average performs best at each location…. then well…. we have Adriano. I wanted to rip my own eyes out when he won a world title. I’m of the unpopular opinion that waves like Rio, Bells, Trestles, Portgual etc are good for the tour because if it was all in dream like reef breaks then we would have poo men like J.O.B dominating the tour because they are great at taking a drop and holding a line. You gotta be able to surf slop and the juice to be the best. Filipe is far more deserving than Adriano in terms of talent but Adriano has insane work ethic and the WSL don’t recognize his disgusting style. It is an imperfect world we live in. If I was in charge I’d have given the world title to Ashley Oh’s puffy muff flaps. The end.