Likewise, for yellin’ at other peoples’ kids, no matter how well-deserved. I know, I know, schooling groms is tradition! But this ain’t the old days anymore. Sorry! You have to be at least sorta nice to the kids.

Ask Doctor Jen: “At which age can I hit a child who drops in?” (And more!)

Bad news for kid-hitters, advises Jen. "It ain't the old days anymore!"

Welcome to the first episode of Ask Doctor Jen. I am not an actual doctor.

Well, I am, but not that kind of doctor.

I do not know anything about human anatomy, but I could, if necessary, solve your history problems. This is not an especially relevant skill.

But who said writers were practical people? If you’ve ever spent time with a writer, you will know that practical things are not at all our strong suits. Try if you can to get us to remember to pay the bills or buy groceries or show up somewhere on time. It’s impossible! We are hopeless.

All of which makes me totally, 100-percent qualified to offer advice on the internet. You have problems, and someone has to help you solve them. So here I am. Let’s solve some problems!

Dear Dr Jen,
My brother in law is a VAL. How can I avoid surfing with him at Christmas?
Signed,
Rick Deadman

Dear Rick Deadman,

We get to choose a lot of things in life, but family just isn’t one of them. Too bad your sibling married a VAL and you are stuck with the consequences forever. Good job, sibling! Honestly, you deserve something extra good from Santa this year. But you can’t avoid surfing with your VAL brother-in-law unless the surf is flat. Maybe start hoping the surf will be flat. Or a good, solid onshore wind. These are your only escapes from what is sure to be surfing purgatory.

Take him to the easiest spot in your town and put him on a big ass board and try not to hate it too much. You could surf with a paper bag over your head, but it might get soggy and people would have so many questions. So just own it. You are taking your VAL relative surfing, because it’s Christmas and that’s the kind of thing we do at Christmas. Make him buy you lunch, maybe. This only seems fair!

Sorry I can’t get you out of this one! Don’t hate me too much!

xoxo
dj

Dear Dr Jen,
my girlfriend is moving away for a year, what board should I buy to numb my bummer?
Signed,
WeirdAlMerrick

Dear WeirdAl Merrick,
Choosing a board for another person is like, Idk, deciding what underwear you should wear. I do not know what underwear you should wear. I mean, hopefully, you are wearing something!

There’s two ways to go with this choice. You can buy a board you already know and love — it’s a sure-fire trip to fun and won’t let you down. Or, you can try something new. I am super into trying new boards, though sometimes, it can lead to frustration! Like, fuck this piece of shit, why did I buy this, I can’t even surf this. This is a thing I have said once or twice! Usually, I figure it out just fine and it was just a passing thing.

Here are some boards I would like to buy right now: If I had good waves coming my way (Ha ha, not in the summer, fuck!), I would buy a Ghost. I am so, so intrigued by that board, after fondling one at a local shop. What is even up with all that double concave? I don’t know how that would even work, but I would love to find out. I would also be tempted to buy a CI Happy, because of the name. I’m so, easily swayed by marketing, it’s almost embarrassing! At least, I’m willing to admit my failings. Also, channels. I have never had a board with channels. What does that even feel like?

For mediocre to good waves, I’d like to have a MR-style twinfin — an actual twinfin, though, no fucking trailer fins. A twinfin has two fins, this is a rule. Fun, fast, whippy: Those boards look fun. I would so ride one, if I had one!

If you have bad waves, I don’t even know what to tell you. Buying a board to surf in bad waves is super depressing and should be avoided — especially if your girlfriend is heading off to do girlfriend things for a year. That’s a long fucking time, dude. I hope you find good waves and a fabulous board to ride. A guy should have some compensations in life.

xoxo
dj

Dear Dr Jen,
Is it ever a good idea to teach either a current or potential significant other how to surf?
Yours truly,
the foot of slater

Dear the foot of slater,

During the summer, I frequently visit a beginner-friendly break. The reasons for this choice are long and stupid and not worth dwelling on. Anyway. Last summer, a man would often paddle out with his girlfriend and try to teach her how to surf. This process involved the man yelling at his girl from across the lineup in an effort to tell her what to do. This was not at all effective!

Do not teach your girl how to surf by yelling at her in the lineup. It is a bummer for everyone involved, actually.

Surfing is a weirdly difficult thing to teach someone how to do when you stop to think about it. How well can you explain the strange alchemy that transforms you from lying on a surfboard to standing on one? And that’s not even thinking about the whole question of what to do once you’re standing on a board.

If you’re going to teach your SO to surf, you will need to cultivate your chill. Take them to a stretch of beach break without too many people around. Help them learn to paddle and catch waves without standing up. Try, if you can, to explain the process of standing up — but mostly, you’re going to have to be ready to cheer them on, as they trial and error their way through it — just like you did.

If your SO has ocean experience — boogeyboarding as a child, swimming — it will go so much more easily for them. Sames, if they’re athletic. Make sure they do know how to swim! Around here, I keep seeing people who want to surf, but they can’t fucking swim. I don’t understand this decision. Surfing takes place in water. You should know how to swim before attempting it!

Recognize that you are facing a tall order in teaching someone this weird, chaotic, joyous dance. Be ready to step back and let them fail — and reassure them, that fuck, this thing is hard to learn, but once learned, almost impossible to forget.

xoxo
dj

Dear Dr Jen,
I can’t land an air. Do I need to eat more avocados or less?
Signed,
odcc1v07

Dear odcc1v07,

Avocados are good food. Everyone should eat avocados. They will not, however, magically make your airs better. I’m afraid that landing an air requires practice and blowing a lot of fucking waves until you succeed. This ritual is all very tiresome, but necessary.

To summarize, eat avocados, yes. Then find a rampy beach break, maybe with some wind on it, and keep hopping. Try not to break any bones during this process. Broken bones are a bummer, if we wanted broken bones we would all be skateboarders and not have to wait for the tides and surf and dumb shit like that. We would just go skateboarding and you’d probs already know how to do airs. Okay, hope this helps. Good luck!

xoxo
dj

Dearest Jen,
At what age should a grom be responsible/accountable for their own actions in the water? As in, at what age can I yell at a kid and it’s not frowned upon?

A short story for context: Surfing a fairly fat right-hand reef break on my new mal about a month ago (I’m normally one of your tiny twin fin types, but horses for courses etc) and a friendly head high set approaches. I’m deepest and spot the thing early, paddle in, stand and start to descend down the glassy face. Nice. A grom (male, age ~14, seemingly local because no parents with him) who had spent my entire paddle-in um-ing and ah-ing about whether to go left or right around me has, in the end, ended up sitting directly under the pretty well-defined takeoff spot. He bobs in the water, next to his upside-down board. What the hell, kid. This 9ft mal don’t do crowd navigation like my smaller craft. Sure enough, big fin gash in the bottom of my formerly really pretty mal. $110 repair job courtesy of the bank of Kook Kahanamoku. All I could do at the time was shake my head at the kid and say he needs to do better than that. Went in and grabbed my twinny, kid was gone when I got back out.

Should I have been harder on the kid to really make the point? Did I deserve this for seeing Torren Martyn videos and buying a mal?
Cheers,
Kooky K

Dear Kook K,
My dude, you have violated the first rule of surfing in crowds of mixed abilities: Never ride a pretty board! It will always end in tears. Save the fancy resin tints for the experienced crew or a (hopefully) less-crowded weekday sesh. I am generally a fan of smaller, more maneuverable craft in situations where groms or really, anyone, might make bad decisions in my proximity. Softops are also good for this situation! Running over groms is, on the whole, not a good life choice.

Likewise, for yellin’ at other peoples’ kids, no matter how well-deserved. I know, I know, schooling groms is tradition! But this ain’t the old days anymore. Sorry! You have to be at least sorta nice to the kids.

It is totally good — and even encouraged! — to explain to wayward groms and beginners how to avoid future mistakes. Do not sit under the peak and flail! This is very good advice and you are not a bad person to offer it to the grom in this situation. But yelling at groms is not ideal! Channel your inner chill and explain how not to suck to the kooks. I can’t guarantee it will work, but at least you tried — and the rest of us will thank you for your efforts.

xoxo
dj

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Kook Kahanamoku
Kook Kahanamoku
7 years ago

Only just saw this because I was doing silly things like enjoying my weekend away from home etc. Thank you, Doc!

I think, from the flustered look on the kid’s face, that I maybe could have taken the time to explain and calm things for both parties. At the time I was mad I missed a really nice wave, mad my board was sliced open, and doing my best to not take it out on the youngblood.

As for riding my pretty board in traffic, it will be the first and last time!

Cheers,
Kook K

Lard Hamilton
Lard Hamilton
7 years ago

The answer is hard work, time, and effort. Yet again. Humph.

Jen See
Jen See
7 years ago
Reply to  Lard Hamilton

ugh, sorry!

Jen See
Jen See
7 years ago

The Phd is real, yes!

Lemon Next to the Pie
Lemon Next to the Pie
7 years ago

But why would you want to catch kooks?

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
7 years ago

Why catch em when you can Slam them ?

M.
M.
7 years ago

Organ harvest?

Lemon Next to the Pie
Lemon Next to the Pie
7 years ago
Reply to  M.

Fair enough. Break out the honey.

ricmatic
ricmatic
7 years ago

I think I want Santa to bring me a Barbara this crissy.

Jen See
Jen See
7 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

I see what you did there!

Munga's Berries
Munga's Berries
7 years ago

Dear Jen See, PhD,

Many moons ago I picked up a Tokoro that gave me good feels after fondling (Kerry, not Wade, he and Arakawa were shaping for HIC at the time if memory serves). It was mostly double throughout and kind of an anomaly in era where single to double w a touch of vee out the back was the accepted norm.

Just about everyone that saw it said it’d only go good in fast, hollow waves, that I was a dummy for buying a stock board, and I’d be selling it in a month. Turns out it went in just about anything and was one of the best shortboards I’ve ever owned. Pure fucking magic. Tried to get Kerry to recreate it three times to no avail (no fault of KT’s, I only had the bottom 3rd of the board and these were the pre-CAD days).

My long-winded way of saying, if you touch it and it gives you good feels, causes you to raise an eyebrow when you look at it…follow your instincts and get that Ghost lady, some double barrel might just change your surfing life.

Phat-wan kerr
Phat-wan kerr
7 years ago

“if you touch it and it gives you good feels, causes you to raise an eyebrow when you look at it…follow your instincts….”
quite the opposite message I received from my mother as a 13 year old. pretty happy I ignored her warnings about losing eyesight and hairy palms.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
7 years ago
Reply to  Phat-wan kerr

Leo Wankers of the World , Unite and Takeover……..

Munga's Berries
Munga's Berries
7 years ago

‘Cause if you don’t, it’s all gonna come to an end…

Jen See
Jen See
7 years ago

Hmm, maybe this wiinter, if I can sell a few words to pay for it! I do like new boards and man, I’m intrigued by that thing, for sure.

Mads Naeraa
Mads Naeraa
7 years ago

Dear Dr Jen.
I’m 55. Is that too young/old to hit children that drop in?

Mild mannered civil servant
Mild mannered civil servant
7 years ago
Reply to  Mads Naeraa

Diesel creek getting you down? Or have you had the misfortune of encountering the wetsuit washing manager and co. across at your backyard?

Mads Naeraa
Mads Naeraa
7 years ago

No no no! Quite happy, Mr Servant. Just referring to the headline πŸ™‚

And who’s the wetsuit washing person you speak of? Oh, the intrigue!

AND, I was happily a few hours east today, getting my fill.

Mild mannered civil servant
Mild mannered civil servant
7 years ago
Reply to  Mads Naeraa

Yeah, I knew what you speak of would be firing… too busy today, but out in the vicinity tomorrow give or take 50kms for some coneage.
My scholastics team are at that particularly pesty stage of their lives and I know DD found one — the wetsuit washing manager — landing on top of him Sunday… it was lucky that their earings didn’t get tangled.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
7 years ago

Now if only I can find the NZ Rosetta Stone to work out what is really going on ?

Mild mannered civil servant
Mild mannered civil servant
7 years ago

Read “sheep! sheep! sheep!”

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
7 years ago

Ok .I think I got it , 3 All Black Sheep ?

Mild mannered civil servant
Mild mannered civil servant
7 years ago

Something like that and mention of gumboots

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
7 years ago

And Dog Trials and the work of Rutherford ……

Mild mannered civil servant
Mild mannered civil servant
7 years ago

…and grumbling about Aussie thievery

Lemon Next to the Pie
Lemon Next to the Pie
7 years ago

And gently mocked accents.

Here’s one for Chazz MM.

Scottish guy on holiday in Canada. Having a few beers in a bar. Notices the moose head on the wall.
“What the fuck is that?” he asks the bartender.
“That’s a moose.” says the bartender.
“How big are your fucking cats then?”

Phat-wan kerr
Phat-wan kerr
7 years ago

and the flea races. “here comes daggy boy with a withering run down the outside”

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
7 years ago
Reply to  Mads Naeraa

You could always blame early stage Alzheimer’s and you thought that the kid you educated in the water was your long lost brother who stole your Bible made from LEGO ?

Mads Naeraa
Mads Naeraa
7 years ago

The obvious answer!

Dumb Florida Redneck
Dumb Florida Redneck
7 years ago

I hate to double comment… but, a twin fin is both a curse and a crutch. Once you’ve learned to hold a rail you never want to ride anything. Cons, you look like a donkey 80% of the time.

Rick_Deadman
Rick_Deadman
7 years ago

Thanks Dr Jen! My brother is law is actually a really good dude and now I feel bad he might read this. Sorry bro!

Maybe he won’t want to surf with me now!? Problem solved!

Jen See
Jen See
7 years ago
Reply to  Rick_Deadman

Ooooh, oops! Hi bro in law, we love you anyway!

(Think it’ll work?)

Munga's Berries
Munga's Berries
7 years ago
Reply to  Rick_Deadman

Take him somewhere big and punishing, nice heavy beach break. Watch him spend his time on the inside getting drilled and/or sitting on beach after he can’t get out. He won’t ask to surf with you again, if he does, maybe there’s hope for him.

Greebnurt Hurkurmurgurt
Greebnurt Hurkurmurgurt
7 years ago

That is so true. Take him to a punishing shorebreak and let him get worked. Only the strong will survive.
Weed out the metrosexuals.

G$415
G$415
7 years ago

OB 415 go there

Greebnurt Hurkurmurgurt
Greebnurt Hurkurmurgurt
7 years ago
Reply to  G$415

Just went there.
Nice.

Audit In Progress
Audit In Progress
7 years ago

I semi-intentionally did this to an acquaintance of mine. He went back onto the beach and did yoga. It was awful.

rwvbwl
rwvbwl
7 years ago
Reply to  Rick_Deadman

Question:
What happens when an adult learner spends a few years in thee water?
Might an adult learner then learn how to do a bottom turn, a swack, even in L.A.???
These surfpix are of a dude whom some of you ‘cool cats’ now term a ‘VAL’.
This dude, Chad, who learned to surf in his 30’s, now almost aged 40,
well I wonder, does he surf as good or even better than you?:
https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

https://uploads.disquscdn.c…
It’d suck if VAL’s learn to surf better than you, right boyz?
Hahaha…

shootsthen
shootsthen
7 years ago
Reply to  rwvbwl

I’m sorry to tell you this my friend, but “Chad” is still a VAL; the hair and tail turning are dead giveaways.

rwvbwl
rwvbwl
7 years ago
Reply to  shootsthen

That ‘Val’ is havin’ waaay more fun than he used to a few years ago!

rwvbwl
rwvbwl
7 years ago
Reply to  rwvbwl

A couple more surfpix for ya,
same dude, from thee same day, same mush~ie L.A. surfspot,
be fun ta see you too try+surf it! Hahaha, it is mushy!
https://uploads.disquscdn.c…
+
https://uploads.disquscdn.c…
Adult learners, hahaha!
Have a great day boyz!
RW

shootsthen
shootsthen
7 years ago
Reply to  rwvbwl

Good for him. Why you so pumped on β€œChad”?

rwvbwl
rwvbwl
7 years ago
Reply to  shootsthen

Err, ah, hmmm, ah, hmmm, ah humina~ha-ha,
https://www.youtube.com/emb…
maybe that dude Chad is just 1 of the many 1000’s of pep’s,
ah them adult learners {that tried surfin’ and really liked it}
that I have met since i 1st started surfin’ at aged 14 in Venice back in ’76? Y’Que?

That said, ya gotta admit it, pal,
that that is a nice coupla lil’ surfpix i posted below
of an almost 40 year old adult learner tryin’ to wrap~it back around, no?
Yep, yep, yep…

shootsthen
shootsthen
7 years ago
Reply to  rwvbwl

Haha, that singer is wacky for sure; I imagine his concerts were awesome. I like your style rwvbwl; seems like you did/maybe still do a lot of mushrooms and nothing in this world can take you off your happy horse, kinda like Don Quijote.

Phat-wan kerr
Phat-wan kerr
7 years ago
Reply to  rwvbwl

chad is a kook. sorry if the truth offends. first shot. arms akimbo. second shot. what’s the wheelie about? third shot. squiggle top flat snap.

rwvbwl
rwvbwl
7 years ago
Reply to  Phat-wan kerr

Hiya Phat~wan ker!
Surfpix are from thee slope~iest, mushy~est of L.A.’s pointbreaks, just another fun ride by an adult learner, where many pep’s of all ages ride ride what~ever they want, havin’ fun, hahaha! L8z, RW

Rick_Deadman
Rick_Deadman
7 years ago
Reply to  rwvbwl

yeah Chad you’re ripping! Keep it up bro!

shootsthen
shootsthen
7 years ago
Reply to  Rick_Deadman

Is that your brother in law?

Rick_Deadman
Rick_Deadman
7 years ago
Reply to  shootsthen

basically, yes.

Rick_Deadman
Rick_Deadman
7 years ago
Reply to  Rick_Deadman

Just to be clear. I was being sarcastic. Chad is clearly VAL status.

Rod
Rod
7 years ago

Dear Dr J,

Can I get a price check on that rusty trombone?

Dumb Florida Redneck
Dumb Florida Redneck
7 years ago
Reply to  Rod

It all depends on place, time and need… 20$

Greebnurt Hurkurmurgurt
Greebnurt Hurkurmurgurt
7 years ago
Reply to  Rod

How dare you speak to the lovely Dr. Jen See like that! She’s a lady. Treat her as such.

Hippy
Hippy
7 years ago

Very fun read JS….

Dick Simmons
Dick Simmons
7 years ago

Nah. I’ll scream at any little shit deserving. Your mentality is the reason we have an entire generation of self loathing fuckwads dancing around on foam boards.

Nick Carroll
Nick Carroll
7 years ago
Reply to  Dick Simmons

No good surfers yell at kids.

Jen See
Jen See
7 years ago
Reply to  Nick Carroll

I feel like this is a good rule, yes

Munga's Berries
Munga's Berries
7 years ago
Reply to  Nick Carroll

I agree, they dunk them!

Nick Carroll
Nick Carroll
7 years ago

No they don’t. Good surfers encourage kids, they don’t feel threatened by the kids’ presence. The kids also instinctively respect good surfers and look up to them. There’s a natural rapport there. Different days mate.

f u
f u
7 years ago
Reply to  Nick Carroll

I see a lot of homeschooled kids out surfing with their asshole fathers and they have no respect for anybody but themselves. A generation of self entitled brats.
The old smack down worked. I know it kept me inline. The machine is turning everyone into docile sheep, turning the other cheek

Munga's Berries
Munga's Berries
7 years ago
Reply to  Nick Carroll

Jokes, Mr. Carroll, jokes.

I believe the children are our future…

Phat-wan kerr
Phat-wan kerr
7 years ago
Reply to  Nick Carroll

that’s because kids don’t burn good surfers.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
7 years ago
Reply to  Phat-wan kerr

I was paddling out ,just after dawn and saw Nick coming out of a tube in a precontest Surf at Merewether in the 80s so he must of been about 25 ,long haired and scary . Just imagine now , how scary he must appear to affluent kids on the Northern Beaches 40 years down the track at 60 looking like a bald brick shithouse ?

Phat-wan kerr
Phat-wan kerr
7 years ago

and his “condom full of walnuts” brother.

Greebnurt Hurkurmurgurt
Greebnurt Hurkurmurgurt
7 years ago
Reply to  Dick Simmons

Fuck yeah!

Hippy
Hippy
7 years ago

Dear Dr Jen….

Are you related to the author See guesting at the SBWriters conference?

Jen See
Jen See
7 years ago
Reply to  Hippy

Oh hey, no! Her name is LIsa, I think? No connection πŸ™‚

Dumb Florida Redneck
Dumb Florida Redneck
7 years ago

just tell the kid he rips and will be a world champ. The next 20 years he’ll either be trying to win wqs contests with no skill or drunk in a foreign country trying to tell everyone about “that one air” they landed and how they were supposed to be the next Eli hanneman.


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