Dane Reynolds Craig Anderson

Opinion: Why Quiksilver Failed!

…and why you can't start a surf co with less than two million American dollars… 

The only thing surprising about Quiksilver’s filing for bankruptcy is that it took this long to happen.

The company has been losing money for eight straight years – all the cut and tuck maneuvers, the restructuring, the sell off of brands that weren’t essential to the core business – all those correct decisions did not solve the bigger problem facing the brand, indeed the industry as a whole, which was lack of demand for the look.

In reality, the critical mass of the surf industry began to fragment in 2005, resulting in a steady decline in revenues and earnings that only began stabilizing in the last few years.

The reason for this was the mall customer, (the aspirant customer that grew the surf industry’s footprint initially), shifted out of surf looks and into a mosaic of different looks: street, urban, athletic, contemporary, outdoor, vintage, etc.

As a result, surf resources today are challenged not only by endemic competitors but also by competitors from these different genres.

The era of brands growing from $0 to $100 million in 10 or even 20 years is over. Today success lives in modest neighborhoods. The last gravy train to leave the station was RVCA

This fragmentation of taste and trend undermined the foundation of the industry’s business model forcing what was once a brand-centric environment to become commodity driven. Margins are down, quality is down and the level of design detail in fabrication and styling is nowhere near what it was 10 years ago.

The growth horizon for start-ups and small brands in general has shrunk considerably. The era of brands growing from $0 to $100 million in 10 or even 20 years is over. Today success lives in modest neighborhoods. The last gravy train to leave the station was RVCA.

When a small brand becomes ‘noticed’ and sells into key specialty stores nationally that normally means they’re doing around $2m – $5m annually at the most. When a brand is considered to have ‘arrived’ like say for example Roark, they are doing around $8m – $10m worldwide. And when a brand is considered to be ‘established and still growing’ like say Brixton, their sales are in the region of $15m – $20m.

When a small brand becomes ‘noticed’ and sells into key specialty stores nationally that normally means they’re doing around $2m – $5m annually at the most. When a brand is considered to have ‘arrived’ like say for example Roark, they are doing around $8m – $10m worldwide. And when a brand is considered to be ‘established and still growing’ like say Brixton, their sales are in the region of $15m – $20m. A quick way to establish brand size is whether they are factored or not. You can’t be factored doing less than $5m.

The baseline investment for a start-up in this environment is $2 million. Anything less the brand will fail. Most small brands will fail anyway but this has not seemed to discourage the numbers of start-ups because there is more than 2 times the number of brands in this space today than there was 10 years ago. The mortality rate is high – it takes a small brand 12 months on average to burn through the first $1m in seed capital.

In the early stages the only way for brands to get critical mass is to penetrate the specialty chain distribution – PacSun, Tilly’s, Buckle, Zumiez. And you need to be in at least two or three of them to get momentum.

Kids out of college have dreams in their minds and stars in their eyes thinking about being the next RVCA or Volcom but the cold hard truth is this is an industry with sub-=par margins and very little capacity – an industry devoid of comfort and chic with no low-hanging fruit because anything you can reach for is already picked clean.

Scaling a brand today is a very decentralized proposition. A decade ago the distribution channels were specialty stores, major stores and international. Today its specialty, specialty chain, department stores, sporting goods stores, outdoor stores, online retail,  own brand online, flagship retail, outlet retail, off-price SMU, international distributors, outside industry collaborations – it’s a complex matrix that’s very management intensive.

The surf industry today is more a lifestyle and less a career direction, than it’s ever been. Kids out of college have dreams in their minds and stars in their eyes thinking about being the next RVCA or Volcom but the cold hard truth is this is an industry with sub-par margins and very little capacity – an industry devoid of comfort and chic with no low-hanging fruit because anything you can reach for is already picked clean.

The winners of the future are the brands with a strong identity and a clear purpose. They are brands who stand for something and have recognizable core products they sell season after season.

That said the winners of the future are also those with the ability to respond to emerging trend and not allow those same core products to become a constraint to their brands to the point of ignoring newdirections because ‘that’s not who we are..’

Anything can work depending on how it’s interpreted

Read more of MT’s insightful stories, as well as sharp biz advice here. 

 

(Michael Tomson is a South African-born former pro surfer who started the game-changing surf clothing label Gotcha, grew it to $65 million, sold it and now lives in Laguna Beach where he writes, consults, cocktails, and enjoys frequent visits from BeachGrit.)

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James B
James B
10 years ago

C’mon, mate. Only a Surfer knows the felling.

toofattosurf
toofattosurf
10 years ago
Reply to  James B

…and who do you think you gonna bait with that lame mispelling, tiagobs ?

bitter guy
bitter guy
10 years ago

PhDs smell each other’s farts. they pay academia for the degree and then get a reacharound by getting a job in academia themselves.

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  bitter guy

yes, those MIT physicists are dicks.

bitter guy
bitter guy
10 years ago
Reply to  Trogan Fan

that fallacy is known as the “Texas sharpshooter”. look it up.

Dave Rentender
Dave Rentender
10 years ago

astute commentary on the industry as a whole, but misses it on quik…
it was rossignol gang… rossignol alone… had that not happened they’d be fine, or at least in the same boat everyone else is. The acquisition of the Rossignol brand in 2005 for roughly 500m euros, building everything around it apparel wise, building the new park city mountain center hq for it, and the subsequent firesale left $1.2B of debt on the books. The fact that Quik was even able to service that debt for 10 years leads me to believe they were still stronger than everyone else in the pond.

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago

As a small business owner and a brand consultant for bigger businesses, I have an issue with MT’s site. I hope he’s reading this: change the tone of your site. Nothing about your site would seem collaborative between my brand and your services. It sounds like I’d hire you and you’d tell me what to do and have a capsule attached to my brand immediately. Let’s build a partnership and amplify my message. I didn’t get to where I am by falling ass backwards into success, I know a thing or two about my brand and consumer but your site reads like you’re shouting at me. Also, don’t brag about building a capsule in 8.5 days. I’ve built capsules in 4 and even had product in SKU in 15 days. You’re a legend and you’re a success in the industry, loosen up the copy on your site though.

Abscessed Llama
Abscessed Llama
10 years ago

Im on the same page. I suss being active in community and do engage not as much as I could. Awhile back actually attend a Sierra Club meeting in the end the discussion was more about how to get enrollment up and whatever national crusade they were on. Not one dime regarding local projects. To say the least completely turned off. My father has the analogy “a drop catalyst in a bucket of resin is all it takes.” Firm believer change in enough local communities will bring change to a national level. Don’t worry I’m not clogging up any line ups, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want a heavy one.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago

Yeah, your average derelict isn’t exactly business competition for anyone who at least puts on pants every day.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago

I don’t see the perseverance in an MBA…two years of throwing daddy’s cash or a year’s corpo earnings at joining a fraternity for over-25s?

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago

For all the shit I have talked/will talk below, this is actually some A-grade editorial direction. BeachGrit’s getting it’s wings?

Noel Whitman
Noel Whitman
10 years ago

I was a Quik dealer along with Gotcha and worked in a surf shop during the 70s through the heyday of growth in the 80s. Quik and the rest failed and deserved to fail because 1. They were arrogant beyond measure 2. They forgot who brought them to the dance 3. They have zero loyalty. They would sell their mother for a buck. 4. They are not selling anything of value anymore. Instead they tried to control the industry rather than concentrate on making quality. 5. What does clothing have to do with surfing? There is no such thing as surfer Avatar world or surf clothing. Originally their shorts worked better than the rest. Now they all look alike and have as their customer the brain dead logo whore with no identity. The surf world will not miss Quik or any of the rest. Saw a Vol”con” display in Dillards the the other day. BTW: Michael Tomson isn’t in much of a position to preach about the failure of the surf industry. His brand was one of the first to sell out. Hence his statement, “The winners of the future are those with the ability to respond to emerging “trend.” or “anything can work depending on how it’s interpreted.” Trend should not exist when you are dealing with something of quality that stands on it’s own.

Travis Bible
Travis Bible
10 years ago

Opinion: You Should Give Up On Your Dreams!
…and why you will fail at your new meager goals.
Or why I learned to make friends with a buddy who worked at an airline and got a job as a part time janitor.

Abscessed Llama
Abscessed Llama
10 years ago

As a surfer you should be buying product that are made well, and enhance your ocean and land experience. Not! Stroll up to the beach smoking a “cig” wax your board and flick the butt into sand as you paddle out. Have you ever seen the Japanese by a garment or technical piece. They will go through a rack checking quality, stitching, and materials to choose the very best piece in there size.
Yvon Chouinard gave a talk in the past year or two basically stating don’t by my merchandise unless you absolutely need it. Urging consumers to consume less. In the future as best line ups become more choked we will be consuming less there to! Even the best guys will eventually overcome to the stress of the line up get a couple good ones and go in.

nic von bankrupt
nic von bankrupt
10 years ago

Pulling the Patagonia card…good on ya!

bitter guy
bitter guy
10 years ago

Yvon would get so fired by the board of any publicly traded company

Dusty Butt
Dusty Butt
10 years ago

bring back SMP

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago

Metal Aloha was pretty good. Shoulda been Goth Aloha though and shot the lookbook with the Growlers. Some good info on MT’s site, a bit of rambling, but that’s the coke flashbacks.

Huckleberry
Huckleberry
10 years ago

Likely the future of the surf industry will trend a lot different than it ever did in the past. I’d be cool if it put the focus on the inland wave pool/resort deal as the modern surf lifestyle place to be.. Pump that shit up and make mad loot yo. Leave the oceans for the native fishes

Huckleberry
Huckleberry
10 years ago

Ya MT, good blog

SB_Guy
SB_Guy
10 years ago

I love how absolutely none of this discusses surf gear.

david fffff
david fffff
10 years ago

Quicksilver is like your friend from high school who is still trying to be a rapper, before he records anything that sounds remotely professional he blows all his cash on hiring models a professional photographer and a nice car for his FB page with 103 likes.

longtom
longtom
10 years ago

Way too US centric.

Mate of mine started a company : Afends, and is killing it, based in Byron Bay. Critical Slide Society looks profitable.
Small lean surf companies with tidy end to end supply and distribution chains can easily make money in a fragmented market, and they are.
Banks, with Rama McCabe and Needs Essentials are other examples.

Sounds like MT has still got his head in the 80’s.

bitter guy
bitter guy
10 years ago
Reply to  longtom

“The era of brands growing from $0 to $100 million in 10 or even 20 years is over. Today success lives in modest neighborhoods. The last gravy train to leave the station was RVCA.”

just saying no more gravy, or MCD

longtom
longtom
10 years ago
Reply to  bitter guy

guess it depends on your deffo of success…..

and that too is 80’s thinking. Build a bloated top heavy company and wonder why it gets eaten by smaller, more nimble competitors.

capn birdseye
capn birdseye
10 years ago
Reply to  longtom

Yes! These companies are the definition of bloated and top heavy. You can’t be a corporation but employ all the “boys” in the top positions at salaries that are twice the going rate and expect things to go well.

nic von bankrupt
nic von bankrupt
10 years ago
Reply to  capn birdseye

Most my friends know more about growing weed,than market shares,I don’t think many are suited to be formidable foes for companies that actually hire MBA’s

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago

You’d be surprised how dumb and shallow most MBAs and PhDs really are. It’s just a feather in a lot of dunces’ caps.

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  Mariano Landa

yes, college and years of study are way worse than say a high school diploma from Cocoa Beach High.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago
Reply to  Trogan Fan

As a motherfucker with a terminal degree, I’m not railing against education. I’m saying that some intellectually, emotionally, and financially dumb people end up with degrees that still retain cultural capital for everyone but Trump voters.

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  Mariano Landa

Some being the key word. Some people without college degrees are also dumb.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago
Reply to  Trogan Fan

I will never lionize any demographic. The world has shortages of many things, but stupid people is not one of them.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago
Reply to  Trogan Fan

And to be honest, in the low-mid ranks of surf industry jobs, a high school degree is a luxury…there are 3+ generations of dropouts/former aspiring pros gainfully employed in spite of their inability to string together a proper sentence. Hence this article…

bitter guy
bitter guy
10 years ago
Reply to  Trogan Fan

is that where Dirk Ziff went?

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  bitter guy

I don’t know Dirk, but his brother Artie went to Springfield High and had a huge crush on Marge Bouvier.

Happy in the Brine
Happy in the Brine
10 years ago
Reply to  bitter guy

So, if your ideas are awesome and you run your business well you are fucked because you don’t have a trust fund.

bitter guy
bitter guy
10 years ago

yeah. every business is a combination of decent idea and wealthy family member. honestly, who else would take the chance on financing a long-shot unless you’re somebody they already want to help. generally, trust funds don’t happen until 3rd generation of wealth, grandpa had money. if your dad grew up poor and is self-made, he wants you to struggle like he did, so that can be a little sticky trying to get money from him. now if he didn’t have to actually earn the lifestyle he was able to lead, then he can’t begrudge you having an easy go of it as well.

blumpkin mung
blumpkin mung
10 years ago
Reply to  longtom

lots of those brands, including some of the smaller ones mentioned in the article, are in business but they are breaking even. lots just barely. remember what was also a really cool, small nimble brand that everyone loved, Insight…

Abscessed Llama
Abscessed Llama
10 years ago
Reply to  blumpkin mung

Insight’s marketing was ahead of its time!

janeausten
janeausten
10 years ago
Reply to  longtom

Could you have a word in your mate’s ear about how he [or she] links his product promotion with smoking and how that makes him a cunt?

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago
Reply to  janeausten

I link my morning bowel movement with smoking. I’m a cunt…

janeausten
janeausten
10 years ago
Reply to  Mariano Landa

…go on, complete the image, steaming mug of nescafé, half a dozen lazy scratches to the right scrote, two ply kleenex etc

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  longtom

When you say “killing it”, what do you mean?

longtom
longtom
10 years ago
Reply to  Trogan Fan

“One example is the Byron Bay label, Afends. Afends has experienced dramatic growth in the last three years, trading in loud, edgy apparel sold through independent stores supplemented by a strong online presence. The brand has a growing following amongst young surfers and skaters in Australia and California and shuns advertising in the usual surf media outlets.”

“You started from scratch, a few small investors, there was no family business, no wad of cash, Afends literally grew from a garage out at Declan’s folks farm. What was your reaction to winning SBIA Breakthrough Brand Of The Year ? What was the ‘breakthrough’ moment for Afends and How do you react when media compare you to one of the major brands?

When Deco, Ryan and I were at the award ceremony we had a hunch that we could possibly win but never really thought we would beat Vissla. It’s a such an honor to us to win the break through award. I cant tell you how stoked we all were. A big thank you to all the independent surf stores. With out their support we would never have won. The support over the years has been amazing to say the least so yeah we are just stoked to be in the industry and doing what we love. Its taken us almost 10 years to get to where we are, But like anything hard work pays off. Thank you to everyone that voted for us.”

In terms of distribution, Afends is everywhere, online Iconic, SurfStitch and quite a few other online outlets. How do you manage the day to day relationship with B&M accounts? How many B&M accounts are you in? Who was you first account?

We have 20 staff members in our HQ. Our national Sales manager and his team of reps handle all relationships and dealings with B&M. We have over 300 door ways across the country. The first store we stocked was a small street wear store in Byron called Byron Style. It was the go to store for alternative fashion.

longtom
longtom
10 years ago
Reply to  Trogan Fan

Sorry Troges, if you don’t feel like reading the blather below….short answer; couple of young fellas who started in a farmhouse less than 10 years ago with nothing and are now in charge of a multi-million dollar business that seems to be going from strength to strength.

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  longtom

I guess what I mean is are they actually profitable? And will they remain that way? It’s not been uncommon to see new labels rise but then fail miserably.

longtom
longtom
10 years ago
Reply to  Trogan Fan

Is that even possible to predict?

MT said success wasn’t possible without 2mill in capital. I just provided a current example from my hood which torpedoed that premise.

As to what happens in the future, who the fuck knows.

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  longtom

well, again, are they a success? How much money are they actually making?

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago

I thought he was just going to say “not enough coke.”

Ozzy
Ozzy
10 years ago

Anyone know if OuterKnown is “Making it” I never see it around but maybe I’m not looking in the right places?

Trogan Fan
Trogan Fan
10 years ago
Reply to  Ozzy

I’ve been dying to hear reports on initial sales myself, but alas, nada.


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