Adriano De Souza claiming
De Souza, five years ago, almost brought the whole enterprise down. Adriano was to claiming what Toby Keith is to country-western music. You just wanted to cut him out like a cancer so the body could heal. There is nothing inherently wrong with claiming. It’s like bad words. There are no bad words, just bad usage. What Adriano did in the name of “passion,” which in fact meant “throw me an extra .5 for this high-intermediate NSSA end-section reverse” was usage so horrible that it put a cloud over all claiming. A hundred thousand joyous and innovative claims died in utero from 2010 to around 2013. That’s on Adriano. Who, by the way, de-claimed his act a couple years back like the champion he is. | Photo: WSL

“How Adriano (nearly) killed claims!”

"You just wanted to cut him out like a cancer so the body could heal," says Matt Warshaw.

What’s your take on claims? You like ’em?

Who started the game? And who almost killed the “whole enterprise”?

These important questions I posed to the man who cradles surf culture, its entire history, in his bosom. Mr Matt Warshaw. 

BeachGrit: I believe that claiming has become a beautiful art within professional surfing. Jordy, I think, is the master, his Christ the Reedemer or his Humble Butler bow are highlights. Do you have a current favourite? 

Warshaw: A claim these days, even a good one, will breeze past me until it hits Twitter, then it maybe gets fun. Better yet, if the claim is worthy you naming it. So like, Jordy’s little from-the-waist bow was worth a smile when it happened live, then a pretty full-throated chortle when I read “Humble Butler.”

Whose are the worst, in your opinion? Do you like it when seven-point rides are claimed, for instance? 

De Souza, five years ago, almost brought the whole enterprise down. Adriano was to claiming what Toby Keith is to country-western music. You just wanted to cut him out like a cancer so the body could heal. There is nothing inherently wrong with claiming. It’s like bad words. There are no bad words, just bad usage. What Adriano did in the name of “passion,” which in fact meant “throw me an extra .5 for this high-intermediate NSSA end-section reverse” was usage so horrible that it put a cloud over all claiming. A hundred thousand joyous and innovative claims died in utero from 2010 to around 2013. That’s on Adriano. Who, by the way, de-claimed his act a couple years back like the champion he is.

De Souza, five years ago, almost brought the whole enterprise down. Adriano was to claiming what Toby Keith is to country-western music. You just wanted to cut him out like a cancer so the body could heal.

Someone raised a good point the other day. John John claimed the hell out of his waves at Teahupoo. If Gabriel does it, cruel people on internet forums become apoplectic. Why is it okay for John but not for Gabriel?

The subtle and not-so-subtle forms of racism in surfing — let’s save that for another conversation. John earned the world title this year, no question, no doubt. But for sure, among some JJF supporters, there’s a whiff of Make the WSL Great Again. 

The surfer who doesn’t claim an amazing wave – I pity them. You’ve either ridden so many incredible waves that you’re numb to the experience, or your claiming by not claiming which is bullshit. Possibly unhealthy, like holding down a sneeze.

Historically, when did claims begin and who birthed them? 

Patient Zero, you’d have to go with either Greg Noll or Ricky Grigg in the late fifties, early sixties. Ricky loved bullfighting and would go to Tijuana to watch the blood and gore, and he picked up this toreador move where you raise both hands up and throw the head back. Very dramatic. Sexy. Two-thirds Manolete, one-third Fay Wray. Greg Noll, meanwhile, was claiming just by wearing black-and-white-striped jailbird trunks. Then he had this move where, after making a huge drop at Sunset or hitting the channel at Pipe, he’d make this whippy little cowboy motion with his right hand, like “Git along little doggies!” It was faster and most subtle than Grigg’s arms-overhead move. And funnier. Ricky claimed first, Noll claimed best.

How do they make you feel as a surfer and as the man who cradles the very culture in his bosom?

The surfer who doesn’t claim an amazing wave – I pity them. You’ve either ridden so many incredible waves that you’re numb to the experience, or your claiming by not claiming which is bullshit. Possibly unhealthy, like holding down a sneeze.

Do you agree, that if used sparingly, Slater for instance (the nose wipe after a nine-plus barrel), they can turn that nine five into a ten? That even judges can sometimes be overwhelmed by a moment. 

It’d have an effect, sure. Not at the six or seven point level, but up there in the nines, yeah, I do think the judges are probably, maybe unconsciously, looking for a sign, for permission, to nudge the score. Or maybe it’s almost more like, if the surfer doesn’t claim, the judge will be a little confused and keep the score a half-point lower than if the claim had come as expected.

Have you ever automatically claimed a ride? A barrel? And can you describe your emotional well-being afterwards? Shame? 

Again, it’s usage. I have a little clip of myself coming out of a longish but not stupendous barrel in Mexico, right before sunset, and I grab my head with both hands in amazement. For that I am very ashamed. But a couple of other claims of mine, more in the Wayne Bartholomew mode, some minor hand-jive and such, I’m totally good with.

 

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Nick Carroll
Nick Carroll
9 years ago

I dislike ugly comments, and yet when I come across a bunch of “this comment was deleted”s and a bunch of annoyed yet still living responses, I always feel a bit cheated. is this wrong.

Abscessed Llama
Abscessed Llama
9 years ago
Reply to  Nick Carroll

i actually scrolled back up to try figure out with no success. Kinda been paying attention to number comments per post these days and they seem down?

Captain Clark
Captain Clark
9 years ago
Reply to  Nick Carroll

No, not at all. It’s like the recurring nightmare dream that you just can’t quite finish.

Lemmy
Lemmy
9 years ago

no claim claims are hands down the best

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
9 years ago

It was me, dude. Quit being an angry dick if you want to waste your time on the internet here. And if you want to be seen as a “member of the community” instead of a troll, don’t log in from a new IP every post and attack everyone you interact with.

Captain Clark
Captain Clark
9 years ago
Reply to  Mariano Landa

Alright, give me your top 4! I’m saying Bama 1, Ohio St 2, Michigan 3, Washington 4. Sure has been an interesting couple weeks in college football. My hatred for Bama only grows with each win. Their fans are absolutely the worst, most ignorant, inbred swine. My Noles managed to trounce Florida…again. 4 years running we are the “State” Champs besting Miami and the Gators. Any season we beat both those teams is a successful season by my standards. Who was your team again?

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
9 years ago
Reply to  Captain Clark

I hate to say it, but ‘Bama and Ohio State are top two. Washington would likely get drubbed by either of them. Clemson is real deal, so is Michigan.

My team? I watch sports for the narrative and the aesthetic appeal. So I generally follow whoever’s scoring 50 points-per-game and running a tempo offense on the West Coast, giving preference to public universities. And I hate USC. This year, UW, WSU, and Colorado have been the ones I’ve followed most, although I do watch a lot of Ohio State.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
9 years ago

Nobody’s arguing with you. But don’t come here to be an asshole. And if you want this site to be a refuge from the political bullshit that surrounds us, don’t talk about politics. ‘Nuf said.

As for recent posts, Warshaw lived in SF forever and resides in Seattle…you’ll just have to accept his own political proclivities as counterpoint to some of the quite conservative conviction behind this site.

There’s actually a balance here, especially if you read up on Derek and Chas, their identities and viewpoints, and then cast Warshaw and Rory as offsetting personalities. But it’s only as political as you make it. You have only yourself to blame if this site devolves into partisan politics, as that’s what you’ve brought to the table.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
9 years ago

Um…I kinda got asked to be the guy who checked IPs and shit. And read my comment closer. I’m not condemning what you’re doing nor reifying hypersensitivity, just pointing out your game. Go have a chill over at Taki’s Mag.

Preston
Preston
9 years ago

Gerry, nose wipe.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
9 years ago

I’m a big fan of the idea that Hot Pockets come from Italy.

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago

Still yawning but please don’t let that stop you dispersing your passionate (albeit immensely pretentious) defence of racism/bigotry/xenophobia/etc… I’ll merely ask for the same leverage you’re asking: tthe right to disagree and voice (text) my opinion in what is, as far as I know, a public commentary space or ask one of the moderators to block me (or do it yourself if you’re one) Auf wiedersehen meine schöne – küsse!

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago

Zets wut ze Germans zaid… fuchs ze politikly correkt!

Limbless Jack
Limbless Jack
9 years ago

I think it is interesting that claims are so frowned upon, next time you are at your local spot claim away. It is so much fun and people will start steering clear of you. Also toledo’s claims are the best: https://www.youtube.com/wat…

Lemon Next to the Pie
Lemon Next to the Pie
9 years ago
Reply to  Limbless Jack

Perilously close to ‘jazz hands’.

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago

“Sheilas, wogs and poofters”. Misogynistic, racist and homophobic in one short sentence. Case in point!

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago

Bullshit… you’re full of it and here yout thought it was inspiration.

bitter guy
bitter guy
9 years ago

not claiming is like the Hawaiian scale. you don’t have to respect it, but its way cooler to say “yeah, couple four footers” than “it was like 13 to 16 foot faces out there!”

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago
Reply to  bitter guy

Hawaiian scale is the worst of claims and always sounds to me like a dick size competition: “mine is 20 cms Hawaiian scale” Lame…

Horatio Algae
Horatio Algae
9 years ago

No. The competition is what makes football ugly. As with everything else.

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago
Reply to  Horatio Algae

Sure… some gym beefed up guys in tight singlets and shorts with hipster beards running around an oval is veeeery pretty!

Horatio Algae
Horatio Algae
9 years ago

can or may verbose motherfucker?

Bob Jones
Bob Jones
9 years ago

The higher the circumference to length ratio of the arm, the worse the claim looks

ox-head
ox-head
9 years ago

slicking-hair-back-claim (while-in-full-trim) is best claim

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago
Reply to  ox-head

Blow your nose if you’re bald…

Don Stine III
Don Stine III
9 years ago

Aw this whole crying racism bullshit has to stop AND this is coming from a black man! Brazillians are white guys with fucking tans! Get over it! If an Aussie or American pro behaved in Brazil like Gabriel did at Trestles his championship year they’d be dead.It’s all about class,taste and respect.THAT’S why people love John john as champ.

Karl Von Fanningstadt
Karl Von Fanningstadt
9 years ago
Reply to  Don Stine III

Explain Wilko, who was just as big of a baby at Trestles as Gabe, yet didn’t get half the flak.

Dooma
Dooma
9 years ago

And Julian

Beatrice C. Bogg
Beatrice C. Bogg
9 years ago

i thought wilko yelling “fuck you” at the judges was as much over the top as gabriel’s weird smiling/clapping thing. i think the difference is that it was a momentary thing that few people saw. whereas for weeks, months?still? medina fans blasted every single wsl post with things like “SHAME”, or “world shame league” or hundreds of vomit emojis or $$$ signs. They would even go to other pages, like the gudauskas brothers and jjf and ask how it felt to steal a heat. one suggested on john’s page that if he were a man he’d resign from the rest of the year. i never heard any other wilko fan making much of what happened with his score, and same with julian. so i think medina got flak as much for his crazy followers (and his dad) as for what he did himself.

Karl Von Fanningstadt
Karl Von Fanningstadt
9 years ago

I’m sure that is part of it, the association among him, his fans’ behavior, and the rantings of his crazy stepdad. But look at what happened in Fiji when he snaked Jordy. People made a big deal about him doing that, characterizing him as an entitled little bitch (basically something along those lines), totally overlooking (not all people, but a lot) the fact that nearly ALL ‘CT surfers are entitled little bitches in the water (especially Jordy), snaking people left and right, regardless of ability. There is a different, stricter standard of behavior that Medina is judged by than other Tour surfers. Why is that? He acts like a cunt, I understand that, but that can’t be the only reason why he is, otherwise everyone would have hated the Irons.

Beatrice C. Bogg
Beatrice C. Bogg
9 years ago

i agree about the bias against medina. i’ve been puzzled by the feelings about him too. maybe you are right that it is a form of racism. i have tried to understand my own reaction to medina, which is conflicted- I just can’t quite like him. i don’t think it’s racism, because i love toledo. there is something so tight about medina and so kind of aloof that I think it repels some people,(although obviously he has a huge fan base in brazil, which supports the racism theory). you mention andy irons, but i think irons was extremely transparent in some ways-he wore his emotions on his sleeve. even if he was an asshole, people loved that he just seemed so real/raw. whereas with medina there is is this distant, stiff quality. and from my view even his surfing has it–there is an athletic brilliance to it, but not a natural fluidity like irons. but then there are moments you see him hugging or congratulating another surfer who just beat him when he is truly smiling and looks sweet. I was talking with a Brazilian friend about it, and was wondering if it was some combination of him being intensely shy and also so controlled by his dad that even his surfing has that controlled feeling. and that maybe people, because of language barrier, people don’t get the shyness. i’m really fascinated by him, because I don’t understand my reaction to him, and that always makes me want to look deeper.

Karl Von Fanningstadt
Karl Von Fanningstadt
9 years ago

On a granular level, what you said makes complete sense. As an individual, you have examined your skepticism regarding Medina as a surfer and as a person, trying to nail down the particular aspects about him that do and don’t mesh with your views. You don’t automatically dismiss him because he is Brazilian, whereas, I think a lot of people in the surf world, mainly Americans and Australians, do. Their skepticism of Medina is rooted in his being Brazilian. He can be a snake in the lineup, he’s sometimes brash, he’s tactical… so to these people, he is the embodiment of all negative stereotypes associated with being a Brazilian surfer, and is thus judged more harshly. I think that the same goes for other Brazilian surfers, not just Medina. Think of ADS, and how it took him winning a World Title to earn a shred of respect (and people still shit on him). Think of Toledo and how people make such a big deal about his performance in big lefts (an area Jordy sucks just as much at). I think that Medina’s problems are also compounded by the fact that he has only one real peer on Tour: JJF. Better talent is always going to be more heavily scrutinized. Having said all this, I do not think the negativity aimed toward him is exclusively due to racism, as it can’t be the whole reason for every person to not like him, even if it is an element for many. I hope this makes sense.

Beatrice C. Bogg
Beatrice C. Bogg
9 years ago

Makes complete sense and for me Medina remains a bit of a mystery as to my own reaction and that of others. Usually I’m fairly clear on liking or not liking someone.

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago
Reply to  Don Stine III

Please review your definition of racism… “wogs” were white people with dark hair and you’ll tell me that wasn’t/isn’t racism?
The fact that you’re black (discoloured photo maybe?) doesn’t give you any more authority on the matter. I had a mate who’s (part) aboriginal (very fair skin) but hates Brazilians in a very racist way. Go figure!

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
9 years ago
Reply to  Bragu Moy

Don’t take the bait, homie. HSST is parroting hypersensitive cultural politics per 18-21 year olds at elite liberal arts schools. While those students are well-intentioned if naïve, HSST is neither, just an antagonist playing with a burner email and an ip proxy.

Nick Carroll
Nick Carroll
9 years ago
Reply to  Don Stine III

Are you mad Don Stine. These days it’s all about rudeness, stupidity and broken bullshit detectors. Oh, that, and cognitive dissonance. You speak of class, taste and respect, and in the same post, you say, “Brazilians are white guys with fucking tans! Get over it!” How do those qualities exist in the same space as that line? Only if you ignore that a considerable percentage of Brazilian people are descended from African people who were en route to slavery farms in North America. Indeed, there’s a direct lineage in Adriano’s family. I mean come on.

91350
91350
9 years ago

That clip was awesome..

Horatio Algae
Horatio Algae
9 years ago

I think claiming is typical of competition rather than surfing. If surfing was a team sport like soccer, Adriano would be one of those players trying to hump his teammates after scoring a goal. He might actually hump his teammates by accident.

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
9 years ago
Reply to  Horatio Algae

Well that wasn’t very racist at all… or homophobic for that matter.

Horatio Algae
Horatio Algae
6 years ago
Reply to  Bragu Moy

Sorry I don’t see how that is in any way racist, so enlighten me. I admit that taken in a certain way it may be construed as homphobic but that wasn’t the intention.

Bragu Moy
Bragu Moy
6 years ago
Reply to  Horatio Algae

Geez Horatio This was 3 years ago… I probably meant to reply to Twillsy or the other blocked guys who’s handle I can’t even remember now.


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