Can… you… imagine a life without surf?
Yesterday, a story about the non-addictive nature of surfing loosed terrific emotion. At one point, surfing’s great archivist and historian Matt Warshaw called the notion “total bullshit.”
Eight years ago, Matt moved to Seattle in Washington, northern northern California, you could say. Shortly afterwards, he quit surfing in any meaningful sense. Not once a week or once a month, maybe twice a year.
And only in tropical water.
I asked him why.
BeachGrit: Let’s begin with Longtom’s treatise on the non-addictive nature of surfing. You don’t buy into it.
Warshaw: Or let’s begin with — you want me and Longtom to hiss at each other.
I love two Mean Girls clawing at each other’s pretty face…
I need to go back and read the whole thing. But as the great-grandson of Stravrapolian Jews I can tell Steve that back in the Caucasus we all died at 37. At 70, best case scenario is you were a counterfeit fingerbone relic on display at the local chapel.
So . . . Steve is very wrong in all things?
I not sure if he was saying that I personally lack the proper amount of surf addiction, or if surfing in general isn’t addictive. Both, I think. Which takes us back to my original reply which was “Bullshit” (re my lack of addiction), and “Total bullshit” (re Longtom’s point on surfing addiction in general).
And yet, apart from the very occasional sortie overseas and to the Slater pool almost two years ago, you’ve stopped surfing.
Yes.
Why?
I was thinking about what you wrote earlier this week, about driving across town only to find blownout surf. In my teens, 20s, 30s, that would be part of the adventure. Even if you’re just laughing about it later with a friend on the phone — or posting about it on your website. You find ways to turn a misfire into, not a positive thing exactly, but part of this fantastic high-low life-less-ordinary experience you’re having. That’s what makes the good parts of surfing so good. That’s what makes surfing so incredible — so addicting, Longtom, you smoke-throwing Russophile — and why, going off-topic for a moment, the idea of wavepools fucking up our 9-to-1 shit-to-gold ratio has me swinging my cane.
The target, or sweet spot, or pleasure zone, got smaller and smaller, and I got tired of firing and missing. It dipped way below that 9-to-1 ratio, and I buckled. From age 45 on, my rails were stickier, the takeoffs were harder, and next thing I’m kicking the trashcan like Coach on Letterkenny screaming “It’s fucking embarrassing.”
What about your actual surfing?
Same thing. The target, or sweet spot, or pleasure zone, got smaller and smaller, and I got tired of firing and missing. It dipped way below that 9-to-1 ratio, and I buckled. From age 45 on, my rails were stickier, the takeoffs were harder, and next thing I’m kicking the trashcan like Coach on Letterkenny screaming “It’s fucking embarrassing.” I was good at surfing for a long time, and was still good now and then when I stopped, but the trend was obvious, and getting out was the right thing to do. I should have stopped two or three years earlier.
You do know that, unless you’re chasing CT points or trying to impress with your new clip, nobody cares if you surf well or not.
I know. It is embarrassing.
How much muscle memory do you retain? What do you lose? What do you keep?
I went to Costa Rica for a week last May. No wife, no kid. I hadn’t surfed in a year. If the wave lets me in early, and my feet land in the right place, and the section before me is generous — I still do it pretty well! I got to the end of 10 or 12 waves over the course of the week all smiling and fluttery, and once or twice walked back to my plush resort feeling very zen and stoked and well-connected to the whole wonderful impenetrable mess.
But . . . ?
But mostly it was a shitshow. I don’t even know anymore, given the amount of time between my surfs, what kind of board to ride, how fast I can paddle, how hard to push, when to pull back, what my place is in the lineup. All those markers I had as a surfer, all my fixed points, are gone.
Mostly it was a shitshow. I don’t even know anymore, given the amount of time between my surfs, what kind of board to ride, how fast I can paddle, how hard to push, when to pull back, what my place is in the lineup. All those markers I had as a surfer, all my fixed points, are gone.
Was it worth it? You going back?
I am, yeah.
So you haven’t fully quit.
I’d like to surf twice a year, somewhere warm. Two trips. Then maybe bodysurf a little when I’m visiting my family in LA. But yeah I quit surfing full-time, or however you want to phrase it. I quit my addiction.
Did the decision to stop come at once or was it a slow build? Can you describe the thought process? Did you really find it “incredibly easy”?
“Incredibly easy” wasn’t quite right. We moved to Seattle in October 2011, which is the beginning of the surf season up here, and in San Francisco too, and for six months or so it was hard. Very withdrawl-like, in fact. But after that, and overall, not surfing a lot turned out to be way easier than I thought.
The idea of quitting terrifies me, the notion that there’s no turning back. Don’t surf for a few years, change your mind, and suddenly you’re almost back to being a VAL. Such a thing would give me nightmares.
Me, too. I remember really clearly having dinner with August Hildago, my best surfing pal in San Francisco, this was around 2000, and were playing out all the scenarios for our surfing future. How long we could last, given a clean bill of health. And how, no matter the number of years remaining, it wasn’t going to be enough. August is still surfing all the time. New hip and all. Ocean Beach, Mavericks, all those shark-infested places north of the bridge.
Did you ever consider, well, I’m this age now, ten more years or whatever and I’ll be staring at decrepitude so how about I make hay now while the sun still shines, however dimly?
No, I’m happier at 59, not surfing, than I’ve ever been. Not because of the fact that I’m not surfing. But the whole deal is just more balanced now. Every big thing I wanted, I got. Including a long wonderful messy surf life. Working on EOS, scrolling Instagram memes with my son, loosening my cravat just so before Jodi gets back from work — chasing and bagging little things really suits me at this age. Longtom, God permitting, will be climbing mountains, riding horses, and chasing women at 70, and I’ll be throwing Bingo hellfire on the Scrabble board, and we’ll both be happy.
Great topic which has occupied my mind the last couple of days.
The couple of times a year tropical surf escape sounds good in theory, but nothing beats keeping up paddle fitness like going surfing.
I would rather be tuned in and confident with my boards and ability before I fork out $$$ for a trip to the tropics.
My best mate does Maldives, Indo, Taiwan ect twice a year and works in the city, surfs around 1 or 2 times a month here at home.
I have gone down the other route of working part time and surfing at home when it’s average to good. 2-4 times a week. Both choices have merits, for me maintaining physical and mental health from surfing regularly. My wife thinks I’m a better person when I surf, and the flow on effects extend.
I have other interests like gardening, photography but nothing can replicate the total surfed out bliss felt after a good surf. I would rather be poorer financially and richer holistically.
A couple weeks back i met a senior couple in Maldives, not the overcrowded unbearable weak waves maldives, but other not known.Powerful bigger waves and mostly in solitude.
He was 70,she was 60, both in crazy shape and ripping, both loving his long surfing life and in tune with their actual abilities.
I am sure Warshaw is very happy and contented but fuck he is so wrong.
Dob 17/4/60?, or was that Max?
Why in the fuck did you post that? Irrelevant. Made him delete his posts dipshit.
You might want to look into this harrydean fool Chas and Derek. And delete his previous post. Not sure why you’d post that other than being Interpol or similar. Fucking asinine.
50.
At 39 drove from UK to Aus to get warm.
Yesterday drove 50km up a beach and surfed a single, a twin fish and a short quad in head high crystal clear peaks with whale song underwater, dolphins frolicking (is that how they spell fucking?), turtles turtleing and an Apache attack helicopter doing a fly-by (tax payer funded surf check?).
I surfed best on the quad, drew nice lines on the single but had the most fun on the fish.
I can go a month sometimes but then my wife notices. She tells me to go for surf.
Crystal clear peaks sound great. I’m happy with brown anything in N. Florida. Where do they have whales singing? I’d love to try that
Well, I’m going to say it again– better to have been ‘souled out’ (addicted) for 10 20 30 40 years or for life- than being a luke warm wannabe for awhile who feels–“its no big thing”–(LT’s quote and feelings it seems)………..
Making the same comment twice doesn’t make it any less tedious or lame. The opposite in fact!
Hey AiP, how are you– would you like to tell me the flaw in it….
And we’re all as hairy as goats!
My recollection is that the only camps at Asu back in the day were one with Patrick and the other Belgian (I forget his name) and the Stuey, Maxi crews camp. Don’t recall any other camps there at the beginning. What camp was yours and when?
At 51 I am sick of stepping on my front foot toes and realized my best wave, barrel and all else had been accomplished many years back. I quit the chase and read about it and watch the WSL now.
Sad– and watch the Wsl?– double sad…..
Comments here triple sad.
This is all very depressing for a VAL to read, we will never have our peak because our improving skills can only hope to counteract our physical decline…
Jebus was a good cunt, aye.
Well, I think they’re trying to “sell” some feather ruffling of the industry. Which is its own form of what you’re saying, I reckon.
Also, Matt never transitioned to easier boards. Gave me his set of brand new Rustys just as he moved to Seattle, and those things were knives, ready for battle. I doubt the man has ever ridden a round-nosed surfboard in his life.
I borrowed one of those boards back a couple years ago when I went to Nicaragua and on the bottom was a 5-foot long penis spray-painted in black. As long as there are new experiences to be had I will keep surfing.
that was a stencil, of course. i’m required to say that by dumb dude humor law.
Fuckin Warshaw stole my line. Left unsaid is how hard it is to not be a pissed and frustrated surfer in the Bay Area. After a point, you begin to take the relentless fog and wind personally.
Wah wah wah. Come to the East Coast, between Wilmington and Jax. That 9 to 1 ratio is more like 100 to 1. I’ll take the Bay Area any day of the week.
At least you get warm water?
48 C winter to 86 C summer.
I’ve surfed OB a few times. Not even a comparable experience in terms of surfing, how much better a foggy, kind of blown out day there is, with swell coming through, than our better days. Our best days are so far between but like any local break, perfect (although never bigger than 8 foot faces) when they come because they are so rare. In terms of nature time/worship in church of the ocean, may be prettier where I am, although NorCal coast is it’s own form of divine beauty.
I hate every second and minute and hour of not frothing the way I used to.
Full disclosure, I lived walking distance from ok waves for 15 years, but moved to the other side of the world to follow another passion. I now surf a few times a year at most. When I visit home and on holidays with my lady, which I steer towards waves (eg. Portugal in 2 weeks). It was easier than I thought to step away from regular surfing and now when I’m in the ocean the effect is a lot stronger than when it was a normal part of my life. When I surf I’m stoked from one late drop or one good turn or one long ride or simple speed. Essentially it’s far easier to get the feels than before and, as someone else said, I dream about it more now too. Also, the more I surfed the less I watched surfing, cared about the wosule and hung out here. So, you’re welcome (?).
where live now OOT?
LT! home is tama/bronte, going on 9 years in brooklyn chasing music (although this year has been quiet). it’s definitely been worth it, i’ve had experiences here i could not have imagined possible before moving. i haven’t found the motivation to take surfing here seriously. maybe one day.
(if i read the above i’d probably see a life of privilege, but the reality was single parent, apartment living. pre olympics cleanup is what i remember as home. i’m only slightly more comfortable now.)
This is actually true!
Where am I?
im sure there is a spot in the state of Washington that is actually fun and not a far driver from warshaws house. it aint warm though
Yep, or jump up to Victoria. But with wetsuits nowadays there’s not really cold anymore, at least in the Pacific NW.
warshaw is jaded, fat and slow, or a pussy?
Jaded slow pussy, but trim as David Niven.
hahahahah
i think you know that if and when you do surf again, you’ll be hooked again, and you will do anything to get back to the sea, and will jeopardize your current way of life.
Derek, every single time I’m on this site I ruminate on how you, having surfed on the Goldy daily throughout the 90’s (like myself), summon the fortitude to persist at Bondi in 2019.
It’s a fair rumination. Upside: rarely flat, complexity of banks and their ever-changing nature sharpens observational skills and general surf intelligence. It’s very easy to surf on the GC.
… complexity of banks? Surely you meant ATM’s …!
You won’t find more info. on surfing anywhere than the EOS………