One more incident proving that we shouldn't be allowed guns.
There’s not much real violence in Hawaii. Plenty fights, but usually nothing too serious. Just some guys scrapping over something dumb. Pretty easy to find some fisticuffs outside a bar post-midnight, but that’s the deal pretty much everywhere. Young men get drunk, don’t get laid, get in a fight.
Almost no gun violence. Because there aren’t many guns. Too hard, too expensive, to get your hands on them. And I’m cool with that. I dig guns, in theory. But in reality I think the average person is too stupid to handle the responsibility of owning a hunk of metal that slings chunks of lead at a million miles hour. I’m definitely too stupid.
A study in 2014 showed that Hawaii has the lowest rate of gun deaths in the United States. Lowest household gun ownership numbers as well. ) Which makes me happy, makes me feel safer.
Yeah, there are always lunatic criminal types, but they mainly go after each other. Like the violence on Kauai. Tons of violent crimes in Kapaa, just down the road from my house. But it’s just chronics bashing each other over chronic drama. Garbage humans hurting other garbage humans over the garbage bullshit they think is important. Pretty much victimless crimes.
So it’s crazy to hear that two people, a seventeen year old girl and nineteen year old boy, were shot in the Turtle Bay parking lot last night.
It’s apparently some sort of suicide. Or murder suicide, more likely.
Damn tragic, as always. One more incident proving that we shouldn’t be allowed guns. No matter how awesome they are, how fun they are, how well they can supposedly “protect” us.
I wish we lived in a world where we all could own guns. But we don’t.
totally. unless you actually drive cattle, no gun for you.
no guns? what a complete nazi, you havent read enough history scumbag
You are welcome to your opinion here, but please refrain from the name calling… it just turns debate into schoolyard bollocks.
Agreed my apologies
In addition to an apology for that comment I will add, Negatron, you are quite the hypocrite.
See below where Dargh told Midge he had a small ‘member’ as the latter defended gun rights, quite juvenile and fits in the ‘schoolyard bullocks’ you refer too. However, you did not admonish that poster.
I imagine you enjoy seeing people bullied when they disagree with you.
Your post is quite sanctimonious, eh mate? Actually rather transparent and pathetic.
You’re comparing calling someone a scumbag and a nazi to having a small penis? As far as Negs being sanctimonious, pot, meet kettle.
Oh Lizzie, great your back!
do you have any countries as an example or a proper statistical analysis, or just your one lone example without analysis?
Also, I am glad you’re here to differentiate between degrees of cyber bullying.
keep changing the subject, one is BOUND to make a point
*you’re
fantastic, you made a relevant point!
too bad a grammar error doesn’t discredit facts
This nietzsche turd is truly the worst type internet commentor, a troll, a total idiot; show him some facts and/or well reasoned logic and he’ll respond with absurdity, i.e., “where’s your peer reviewed report dude?! Comparing facts isn’t enough bro!” or he’ll respond with a racist attack, i.e., ridiculing Hawaiian Pidgin. Best way to deal with him is to ignore. Repeat, do not engage that idiot (sorry Negatron for my use of the word “idiot”; i was considering the softer “dunce” or “simpleton” but they just don’t pop like “idiot” does. I promise to refrain from future negativity by not engaging idiots).
An apology with a “but”… I give everyone abit of leeway, especially the regulars. As it was your first ever post on BeachGrit I thought you might need a little guidance.
As for me being a bullying sanctimonious hypocrite you’ll have to work alittle harder to find something I haven’t already been called a dozen times before. But yes, you’re right if you’re looking for some sort of validation.
Ah negatron, I feel ya. I was going with the tone of the author and was rolling with his suppositions like ” Or murder suicide, more likely.” Is that a complete sentence? Or just slander?
hyperbole and free speech for some, chastisement for others!
long live beach grit
That’s humanity in general not exclusive to America.
Easy to see the difference between places with lots of guns and places where there’s fewer. Where would anyone be safer, hanging out in Honolulu or Dallas?
Good man Rory. I don’t want to be shot and I don’t want to shoot nobody.
I don’t mind when people kill themselves; just don’t take others with you.
Any death is sad but taking an extra unnecessary life is beyond tragic.
Handguns, allowing idiots and psychos to kill non-idiots and non-physcos. “It’s the idiots and pychos that kill, not the guns!” Pretty sure it’s the fucking bullet that kills innocent people, not the fucking idiot; the goddam bullet kills people. “But, I want my handgun, just in case a black person breaks into my house at night to rape my daughter, or what if I need to revolt against a tyrannical government?” Oh my . . .
Not many bullets in jail for murder.
there’d be less people in jail for murder if there were less guns.
not true, violent crime is just as high in countries that ban guns, but I can see you aren’t familiar with facts
violent crime or dead bodies? its fairly difficult to beat someone to death with one’s bare hands. don’t hear many stories of the Japanese killing each other, but help me with more facts, please.
hmmm, lets see knives, clubs etc, things you hold in your bare hands can be used to injure,intimidate, and or murder. would you like a google search to show the rates and instruments used in these crimes? do you want to ban fishing knives too? hate on guns all you want, I don’t own any, but anyone that wants to own 1 or 10 or more is guaranteed by law to be able to do so.
that’s called the “slippery slope” fallacy, and its always been wrong.
its a slippery slope that banning guns does not deter violent crime?
now you are making up your own definitions of words
no, that we should ban knives, then rocks, anything you can hurt someone with. like, once we have gun laws, we won’t be able to stop banning shit. that’s not true at all.
law making bodies are discussing knife bans in some euro countries. Also, why ban something that can be made at home a la 3d printer? Your logic is flawed.
no, those guys are just dummies and it won’t happen. this “why don’t you ban everything that’s dangerous, then” is used by the pro-gun camp constantly. the idea is that once we start banning guns, anything that can be used as a weapon will be next. my logic is flawless.
uh huh.
so, even though its happening, and its factual, you say it wont happen, therefore your logic is flawless? you tie your own shoes?
ok, i’m hooked, what european legislature is voting on a bill to ban knives? sounds like a Fox News story.
Its a movement in Great Britain, ‘save a life, surrender the knife’.
you bring your climbing slippers for that slippery slope?
a fuckin “movement”? you gotta be kidding me, that’s like saying bigamy is about to become legal in the US. get the fuck outta here.
a movement spearheaded by the police. Is there a big disconnect between legislation and law enforcement? a resounding NO.
Dont be upset that your position is weak and cannot be backed up with facts
Well said.
i’m not upset, and there is no european country that’s close to banning knives, like you said there was. there is no bill before any legislative body. that’s how laws get made, not when the police union gets upset. my position is super legit.
Your use of profanity would indicate you are upset
And, what planet do you live on that police unions dont have political clout?
not enough to ban utensils. the chef lobby would never allow it. cut a steak with scissors over there or what?
You are proving my point: is its pointless to ban anything, as runaway clowns keep it going down the slippery slope you like to play on.
Seriously, why do you want more government in your life? you dont know how to run your own life properly?
If you dont like guns, dont own one
if you do, then own one
its THAT simple
I’m having a hard time saying the same thing over and over again to a person who ignores facts and sticks to Rachel Maddow talking points
i don’t know who Rachel is. and yes, i want the government in my life the same way you want the cops to protect you and your property. you guys always want to act like the government takes from you and then you want to drive on public streets, fly out of public airports, go to public university, no complaints when taxes and government provide things.
i know there are knuckleheads out there, see them every day. if they had to actually kill people with their hands we’d have a shitload less dead people. yes, its possible to beat someone to death with a shoe, but its a lot harder than some kook getting angry and deciding his self-defense weapon can also be used offensively.
because of this reality, we have cops acting like they are in a warzone, protecting their own lives, shooting anyone with something in their hand because they “feared for their lives” because the thing could have been a gun. i’m all for western movies and frontier justice but that’s hollywood endings where only the good guys are left standing.
first, I am not a cowboy and as I stated I dont own a gun, I support the rights of people who do.
and now I get it-you rely on other people to solve your problems, now I totally understand.
relying on someone with a subpar IQ and a bullying complex is foolish and just remember, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
good luck
right, you don’t own a gun but make the pro-gun, standard self-defense argument that the police won’t get there quick enough. those are the guys that end up shooting their 20 year old kid when he sneaks back in after being out late drinking. you think owning a gun makes someone more independent? do you have your own airport?
your arguments have just reached a point where you need to contrive scenarios about the argument presenter in order to further the conversation.
I wish you the best, you need it
Lol. Your own airport? This guy thinks you’re the shred machine or something.
Don’t you sweat it, that won’t happen to you. The lunatic cat burglar type aren’t real, nor carry guns themselves.
Yeah, I’m just messing around; I live in Hawaii, we aren’t scared of guns or burglars. We have some tweakers but that’s part of the price of paradise.
I’m not fearful of the gun either, just the lunatic behind it. Tweakers are everywhere, we have our fair share as well. Meth has ruined so many lives, nasty nasty drug.
” I think the average person is too stupid to handle the responsibility of owning a hunk of metal that slings chunks of lead at a million miles hour. ” well Rory I guess we all better turn in our cars. This was a murder suicide? probably the last example you should use for anti gun BS. We need sensible author laws.
You needed to take a test and get a license for your car at least. And have insurance for when you kill someone.
You need to take a test and get a license for a gun. I do however believe there should be a harder test and some sort of hands on training that you do not need now.
Tests are only for concealed carry, unfortunately.
No there are tests for Guns – or handguns at least – in CA. I mean I took it and got a perfect score without knowing anything about guns or ever using one before, but they have one
Yep we need to make the test way harder and there needs to be hands on testing.
Not true. Gun laws are different for each state but in Ca you need to take a test. And concealed carry is basically been illegally eliminated, you can’t even get one unless you know someone in Gov’t.
Gun liability insurance not a bad idea. Why not?
Last time I checked, cars were meant for driving and handguns were meant for killing people . . .
Last time I checked, cars kill about 30,000 people a year. How much is too much?
Last time I checked, people die from all kinds of accidental (car wrecks, etc.)/non-accidental shit (too much burgers, etc); and last time I checked, the majority of those deaths are not from things meant only to kill people, i.e., handguns. I understand the gun owner logic but bottom line is that less guns means less deaths, and people don’t need handguns unless they’re up to no good.
not true, check the stats from countries that ban guns, just as much violent crime, stop your liberal agenda
Pretty sure there’s less GUN crime in countries with less GUNS. With a name like Nietzsche, I’m sure you can deduce that. Also, I don’t have an “agenda”; I expect that Americans can decide for themselves their own thoughts.
please use your close reading skills I said ‘violent crime’, which can be anything: bare hands, shovels, knives etc. If people want to hurt someone, gun or no gun, they do it.
I’m not talking about violent crime; I am and have only been talking about gun violence; we’re talking about guns, not sticks, fists, feet, etc. Use your powerful attention to detail to pay “close”er attention. Also, just so you know: 1. brass knuckles, dirks, and daggers are illegal in Hawaii, so yes, you can ban weapons that are only meant to hurt or kill humans; and 2. In current modern times, use of big words and complex narration is not a sign of intelligence and/or education – the movement is towards plain english, not Emmanuel Kant-like discourse; so, please pass that along to your philosophy class buddies, and get off your high horse “I use big words and know everything and “bitter guy” doesn’t know shit.” Why? Because none of us know shit; we’re all right and we’re all wrong but that doesn’t mean we have to be rude. The rule here is to be funny, insightful, open, sarcastic, ironic, ridiculous, and respectful.
Pakalolo is illegal, theres choke around
-there, you get dem words braddah? small kine words, few syllables.
I thought the point was to use logic to dispel lies, not pander to feelings, if pandering to feelings is the goal, I have, and will continue to fall far short.
Respect? how respectful was the peanut gallery of Midges diverse opinion, he was nothing but respectful and met with bullying tactics mocking his physical body. weak tactics.
and as far as insight goes, the echo chamber of ‘guns are evil, oooooo’ is resounding and going strong. I guess diversity of ideas is not welcome.
Maybe I should be more edgy and think like the group.
Dora would be proud.
Can you grow brass knuckles in a garden? Are marijuana plants grown to kill people? Your uncle would is tossing in his grave right now . . . and I do hope you get the chance to tease a Hawaiian to his face with your cool pigeon . . . who cares what Dora would be proud of . . . also, logic is not what you’ve been using.
I can 3d print a gun. same as growing pot
or I could have said batu instead of pot, tons around and its illegal.
you wish violence upon me for using the small words you asked for. tsk tsk
You can 3d print my balls, and then put them on your head; they’d have as much ability to comprehend as your brain.
Or, I could have said nuts instead of balls, tons around and it’s natural.
You made a racist comment to me for using logic that you asked for. [Insert lame and childish insult like tsk tsk.]
3 days later……So now you are a social justice warrior? sad
my words made you wish violence occurred to me. Ironic considering you are defending gun control under the guise of not liking violence. You need to seriously self evaluate as you are quite hypocritical, and quite frankly, dangerous.
10 hours later…..so now you are a physcologist? Silly
Your words did not make me wish violence occurred to you; you made a racist comment and I stated it would be nice for you to say your racist comment to the subject of your comment: a Hawaiian. Ironic that you are defending guns under the guise of American ideals, yet you insult an entire people (Hawaii) – not very American (equality, etc). You need to seriously self evaluate as you are quite hypocrital, and quite frankly, a giant turd.
I mocked YOU, I did not insult an entire people, I am sure a large swath of people would not like you to speak for them. some might, others might not. pot meet kettle as lezzie said earlier
If any indigenous people anywhere on the planet had firearms pre contact, they would have been in a better spot to defend themselves from the onslaught of colonialism. Say what you will and attack my character, but this is truth.
and i thought you were not going to engage a turd troll like me? cant help yourself, eh? please use logic instead of feelings. the world would be a better place
You mocked the Hawaiian Pidgin language, thereby insulting all Hawaiians.
Those 3d balls you printed up and placed on your head must be cutting off whatever circulation was present in your logical brain.
If you read “close” (to quote nietzsche’ esteemed nephew) what I wrote, you’d realize that I have been using only logic, i.e., those 3d balls you so happily printed up and placed on your head must be putting a damper on your ability to read “close.” That’s logic, i.e., those balls must be heavy, cutting off circulation to your brain.
Responding so fast, so soon, and so often? Just can’t help yourself eh? Please use logic instead of your thinly veiled patronizations. Your world would be a better place.
You are painting with a broad brush and are now grasping at straws. I made fun of you and you alone. Transferring this to others is absurd SJW behavior. I am quick to respond, I dont try and veil my patronizations.
I mocked you once when you asked for small words and you have a bevy of ridiculous comments that are absurd. 3d printed balls on my head? really, this is how you argue a point about gun control? It shows you (and everyone else) have NO logical argument for gun control.
Your ‘feelings’ will never be more valuable than logic. Its ok, you can have last word if you want. I know it will make you ‘feel’ better.
You are flying on a small plane grasping at clouds . . . . eh, I give up already; I fold. Can’t teach a donkey to fly. Good luck with your logic and feelings; I know if will make you “feel” better.
So because you’ve posted this twice, I did what you asked and checked the stats with a country that ban guns (Australia) to the US. According to the Australians Bureau of Statistics and Australian Institute of Criminology the rate of TOTAL violent crime in Australia per 100 000 is 141.37.
According to the FBI, in the US this rate (so again ALL violent crimes per 100 000) is 367.9. This FBI data is a little skewed because the data presented reflects the Hierarchy Rule, which requires that only the most serious offense in a multiple-offense criminal incident be counted. So in reality, the violent crime rate in the US, a country which hasn’t banned guns, is almost three times that of Australia which has.
To recap, the stats show pretty conclusively that countries that ban guns have considerably less violent crime than the US.
A) lets get a bigger sample size than comparing two countries, how about France or England?
B) lets run stats on this to see if it holds true under proper analysis as opposed to ‘this number is bigger than that number’
as I said I dont own a gun, but anyone who is advocating for more gvt intervention in any area of life needs to examine why they dont like freedom.
If you dont like guns, dont own one
if you do, then own one
its is THAT simple
C) Fuck off
sweet, dont like facts, bust out the middle school antics
Just laughing at you fool
Thanks Matt
Really? You asked for stats and I provided them. Not my own, “I don’t agree with you” made-up stats but ones provided by multiple agencies so that, yanno, they hold up under proper analysis.
Are you also a climate change denier?
oh lizzie, why would you change the subject to climate change?
I asked for more than one comparison, a reasonable request. Your stats and sources are fine, but 1 data point does not a trend make
but then again I guess you deal with how things make you feel as opposed to facts.
enjoy your safe space, the rest of the world will continue
and how many people ride their gun to work every morning? your analogy sucks ass.
Well said?
what, you don’t hunt deer with a pistol?
Haha; nope, my friend goes Lanai with a bow, and gives me deer; so, no, I don’t hunt deer with a pistol.
only thing you should hunt with a pistol is empty beer cans
The world would be a lot safer if everyone took the bus.
That’s funny. I’ll I know is this is my favorite new website.
Take it you own a gun Smidge – can I ask why?
Small willy?
It was a genuine question actually. I can’t see a valid reason for owning a gun besides they’re great fun. Farmers, professional shooters etc maybe
I’ve got one (and i could give a shit if they outlaw them and take it back, its probably a good move) and its simply because its a lot of fun to say “im going to shoot that small circle” and then enjoy the feeling of satisfaction when I do it.
Maybe they should ban guns unless for hunting, and then allow ranges to provide all kinds of automatic rifles/etc. for those that love to shoot. So many possible solutions to the gun problem but so little discussion, let alone investigation/examination.
I hear ya shoots on the surface that sounds good. Problem is the number one reason is for protection and I understand that seems crazy to some people. Second is only good people obey laws and if you make them illegal only bad people will have them. See Mexico, Venezuela and Brazil.
I get that argument too, but, it isn’t backed by empirical research or anecdotal evidence. That argument relies on the presumption that we take away the guns from law abiding citizens, and then all the criminals will be the ones with guns . . . and that those criminals will run amuck, shooting law abiding citizens. The reality is that guns escalate any situation. A criminal with a gun is more likely to hurt/kill a law abiding citizen if that citizen brandishes a gun. Anyway, I know I can’t convince and vice versa but the reality is that in Hawaii, we have less guns, and less gun violence, but California has lots of guns, and lots of gun violence . . . but, per the NRA argument, the people In Las Vegas are just more violent than Hawaii people. Haha, that’s funny bc we love to scrap in Hawaii, just go to a bar in Hilo from 12:30 – 2:00 am. or read the Big Island news; there’s a lot of violent people on Big Island but little gun violence, not the same for Vegas.
I reckon anytime somebody shoots an innocent person is a pretty good time to bring up gun laws