So happy to have exotic Asian surfboard!
Yesterday, hothead Peter Schroff hit a nadir with his anti-made-in-Asia surfboard posts on Instagram. Using pens and with his hair tied into a bun, Schroff fashioned his sixty-three-year-old face into a facsimile of the stereotypical oriental.
“Does our dollar ‘av dis face on it?” wrote Schroff.
Earlier,
“Fuck Asian imports.”
And, “Let’s keep our dignity in this battle for a Asian import free nation.”
And, “Ask our foundin fathers wud day think of chinese junk?”
Well, I’m a proud owner of a made-in-Cambodia surfboard and I’d like to put in my two cents worth.
Last year, while visiting California, I made my bi-annual visit to an advertiser to accept payment. It’s always a theatre of the absurd with this particular company, who cry poor and offer boards instead of money.
“Three thousand dollars? Are you trying to break us?” And so forth.
When I deliver the usual analogy that they wouldn’t accept surf trunks from a surf shop in payment for boards the finance man weeps about the twenty or thirty dollars it costs to wire the money to my Australian bank account.
As per tradition, I buy dinner at a crummy restaurant to cover the bank transfer fee, compromise a little on the boards, accept that he didn’t realise the amount was in US dollars and Australian dollars and leave with a promise of immediate payment of the shrivelled balance (although that comes a dozen emails and two months later).
Well, on that trip I came out of the deal owning a surfboard wrapped in carbon and valued, according to the sticker price, at almost one thousand dollars. I was surprised, although not offended, by the Made in Cambodia sticker just visible near the tail.
I know how labour costs cripple the biz model of surfboards, and making boards offshore is the same smart biz decision clothing companies made two generations ago, although companies like GSI do like to talk down the cheap labour part.
Two dollars an hour instead of thirty-five? I’m sure even you retarded sons-a-bitches can do the maths.
All wetsuits are made in Taiwan. Do you care?
My Cambodian surfboard gets tossed under the house like the rest of ’em. Gets surfed, thrashed, fins roughly pulled out and looks, feels, rides like anything I’ve had made in the US or Australia.
What do we owe the surly homegrown bastards who made you wait six months for a custom? Who don’t pick up the phone? Who say your board is being sanded when the blank hasn’t even been taken out of the rafters and tossed through the machine?
Nothing?
Or everything?
Brewers are 500$ for a custom shaped blank.
Your a Fucktard kook.. The End.
Fuck ….Lost, and all the other ‘victim playing’ surfboard makers with their 1970’s business model slowing killing the very environment they rely on.
Build an empire, whinge, get rich, whinge even more, fuck the planet.
….Selfish….Hypocritical….Cunts. Would be more appropriate.
ah now tell us what you really think !
Now the environmental angle cannot be blamed on the manufacturers , consumers demand a cheaper surfboard , and are provided with PU/Polyester , which is 60 year Toxic technology , and what our glorious pros still ride and is still being sold as best tek to the market.
the whole idea of EPS/Epoxy /carbon , and being marketed as the new best tek , is being rejected world wide by the consumers as they are over priced , and do not perform as well as a PU , unless you need a fun little grovel board for those real shitty days!
Yes those big brands are in a lot of trouble right now , especially the USA ones as the market for stock/pop out has at least been cut by 70% in the last 2 years , so don’t worry , they are getting fucked by their own behaviour , but can you blame them for dreaming of making $’s out of an Asian Popout , just like the Hypto K!
Yeh but the fact that a ‘Hyptoo’ is flying out the door at a stupid price must be an indicator of a (not so)new consumer demand, or maybe, consumer willingness.
The Hippie, then anti-establishment roots that spawned this whole toxic and corporatised ‘industry’ of victim crying shapers and shops is an evolutionary tail of repeated failure.
Know your market.
Learn and grow with it.
Stop fucken complaining and evolve, basically.
Our preferred activity of choice/ sport/ connection with nature (cough) is one of, if not the most, environmentally connected and reliant ‘sports’, yet no surf industry entity has ever taken a proactive environmental stance at scale.
Its almost as if Trumpito has been running this game from the beginning, the same burn it to the ground approach anyway.
the Hypto’s are e in the water from a sales point of view , but yes it was first had brilliant manufacturing , Global sales from GSI which has the biggest surfboard global distribution , and timing was a marketing dream as the world went a bit Hipster .
Now all the big brands have copied and tried to emulate the HS/HK/GSI model , and it looks like an enormous failure , they have cheapened their brand and the consumer is pretty savvy these days….
The Hippies became yuppies , the $’s have ruled our sport ,as can be seen by the amount of public offerings , and 100% failure of all of these Co’s should tell us a lesson , which is when you start dictating to the consumer , need to , sale or return , consignment etc….death spiral!
The only Co that has showed its environmental credentials is Patagonia , which is really a mountain wear Co run by surfers , and while our Pro surfers and Industry people still ride toxic surfboards , surfers are one of the primary polluters on the planet , and the WSL facilitates this ongoing shit , wait until the Olympics , and see if the WSL/ISA can explain why their athletes are using Neanderthal technology when greener better options exist!
Sort of both.
It’s true until you flip the business model and make something that is still surf but has better profits. Fins for example, I know not everybody is going to buy a board off me but everyone is going to buy fins. I have a devoted knowledge of ghetto fluid dynamics thru shaping so after riding the fins for a few years I know,I didn’t invent the wheel,but I made the Pirreli. Run with it sell it to some huge company,bail for central America. After reading my experience for 18 years above it’s almost undeniable that it’s insanity to think you’ll ever work your way up in a new age glass shop. I’ve been fired from the best ones.
where are these new age glass shops ?
All I am seeing everywhere in the world is a downturn in the big brands , and looks like a lot of glass shops do not have enough work now …..I wonder if those best ones are still producing the same amount of boards!
Did someone say ‘Cambodia’?
https://youtu.be/Qr6NOsluHYg
My post alluded to it but no one got it, and my inner teenager died a little more. Sad mall punk emoji
Proud:”My board is second hand”
That’s the business model that will weather these times. Handshape 3 to 5 a week, do every step yourself, and sell at retail from your tidy little factory… “Keep it small and keep it all”. You won’t get rich, but you’ll survive, doing something you love…It’s worked for me for 18 years.. if you got into this shit show thinking you’d get rich, you’re an idiot and deserve whatever happens
No board, no surfing. Wetsuits don’t equal. Seldom do we see, read or hear the personification of a 3/2. Surfboards hardly exist without personality.
So, let’s see if I’m following you here… it’s fine for the Taiwanese to make a product with no personality like a wetsuit, but when it comes to foam and fibreglass, only an Merikan (or Strayan, don’t know where you’re from) can provide the personality?
I was pointing out the analogy doesn’t fit per our norms of affinity. Which will you be more pissed about, me stealing your wetsuit or stealing your surfboard? Nor did I say only a certain nationality can make a surfboards. That was you. I have no allegiance to where a board was made, just why the board was made.
Well where i am wetsuits cost more than boards
So take the board. Oh and my wetsuit has pee-sernolity for miles
Have fun body surfing. Urine for a bucket o’fun.
Fair enough, I didn’t follow you.
Surely we owe them everything. You buy a shape. A board designed by a shaper. An artist or tradesperson. Without them there is nothing. There is nothing wrong with mass produced boards. The more of something you make the cheaper (possibly better) something becomes. Also, supply and demand. I get it, although it seems weird we cant accomplish that within our own continents. I also find it strange Australian, American etc. could even own a business in a different country at all. Do you need to be a resident or citizen? Peter Schroff coming off as racist? GSI sucks! There has got to be a happy middle ground! Lib tech? Fuck. Im depressed now Derek.
Getting paid in boards, heehheeeee.
Wait.
Did you get my resume yet? I googled your shop, looks epic and you seem like a great person.
I’m currently rotating between a Gamma and a poly DHD, both I’ve had for the last 4 months. The DHD is hammered while the Gamma doesn’t have a blemish. The Gamma is insane. I don’t give a fuuuuck what Trumper Schlong says about anything. Almost everything I’ve owned all my life was made in Asia. Fucking shit McCoy rip off has been.
Comparing life of PU to Epoxy, your brain wasn’t made in Asia.
Wonder how rotating between poly and epoxy boards affects one’s perception of how good a board actually works?
depends on the waves!
And the board/construction. I have had a JS HYFI, a Lost Carbon Wrap, and now a Gamma. Gamma first fave, HYFI second.
what sort o waves do you surf ?
I live in Orange County.
It’s not really a problem I don’t think.
pleases could we compare PU and EPS , then polyester with Epoxy resin, get a PU/Epoxy and that’s the best board construction on the market!
Haven’t had a PU/Epoxy yet, just got my first EPS after a hundred or so history of poly. Small wave board. Stringered blank, laid up nice, no chatter, I was scared since where I live there tends to be a good amount of wind. Just ordered same construct in a shortboard.
at least you have a stringer , which gives a spine to the blank/board
will interested to see if you can get good results in windy conditions with EPS , as usually they don’t work at all!
Gamma rides like any PU to me. Little light for bigger waves, and the bigger sizes available don’t fit me. Small wave board. Since I was misinterpreted, yes, the lasting attributes is a no brainer.
No man, woman or child should be left to say “the bigger sizes available don’t fit me.” That is a major point of this debate.
The major point of this debate is a haggard clown perpetuating a stupid Trump lie that everything must be made in America. Look dude, our local glass shops aren’t going anywhere. As far as picking out sizes? I go through a lot of boards, and I don’t order custom boards. Resale value is key. A 5-10 Gamma at 19 1/2 is 30.5 liters which is my size. A 5-11 is 31.5, to big for me. What the fuck is odd about that? Same situation with any model from any brand I prefer too ride. New technology is here, it’s fun to try out, and it will all work out.
PS is putting dollar bills on the ground with shyte on the bottom.
Bro, glass shops have been going out of business.
I care f-all about resale value, how a board rides is key.
These tech builds have been around for a while. Most made now for keeping up with the Jones. Carbon Copies.
comparing a DHD to a no shaper Gamma , must be the high tek materials in the Gamma!
Somebody said “it starts at the top”. They’re right,to a degree. Were left with the trust fund pricks who could never fail, the “weak” weeded out by being converted to “sanders” or whatever the boss needs that requires skill beyond his “hot coating” abilities which you’ve never seen but hear he *was amazing*. Resin,he doesn’t touch that shit. He makes the scrubbers lam and shuffles jobs around to whatever stooge he could fly in that was dumb enough to believe it’s a real job. Anyone with talent,is beaten,told their shit for so long they start to believe it and fall into the background of a movement that once got them out of bed is replaced with fingernails falling off and stressing “is today the day I get axed”. A year later that same guy has been “promoted” and is scribbling another well known shapers name into foam with calligraphic accuracy. You never hear that guys name. You never will.
O’doyle rules 💪🏼
Word for word my life story. Uncanny.
Some of my closest friends put 2o plus years behind a mask, had a couple years standing on top tar paper floors my self, hence I still prefer my shapers to be the best surfer’s in the line up. You are right!
This is probably my favorite chapter of the Milo book Simon and Schuster passed on.
Is your second favorite the Schroff chapter?
Do you like Milo the provocateur?
No. I have brain.
Just bring your shaper some blow. It’ll be done faster than a rabbits heartbeat.
Sent my broke ass shaper 200 bucks for a blank like 2 months ago. Can I see a file of the board? He has not even designed it. The day after I sent the check I saw him on insta eating a damn piece of prime rib. Caption said, “can’t remember the last time I had enough money to eat out.”
Yup that’s us. For the record it was #succulent. Still need a hat/resume combo.
well I will thank you, for contributing to feed the poor shaper , he is probably malnourished , and needs to regroup , recharge so he has the strength to shape again.
Maybe we should start a save the Shaper Campaign?
Is “Where You’ll Kiss Ass or Crack” handwritten down the stringer or stenciled?
Historically speaking the Khmer have been great craftsman
And if children made the board it’s surely more playful!
I’m even more surly after reading this. Can you remove the made in Cambodia sticker. Might increase the value.
What about the glassed over specks of blood and poverty? To the attentive eye, that will still be there. Look in your heart. The sticker. Should they be robbed of that last vessel of recognition?
Looked in my heart and nothing there. Made in Cambodia. Could be a new surf brand. Excellent marketing ploy.
or was it really made in Vietnam?
Remove fin boxes. Insert Vietnamese brown. Close fin boxes.