See: Greg Webber’s latest invention, floating reefs and portable sea walls!

"A $200,000 wet dream!" says inventor.

I was burying my spoon under the milk in my Cheerios mix this morning, when I saw that the shaper and wave tank designer Greg Webber had created a Facebook page for his new invention, floating reefs and portable sea walls. 

It’s worth a call, I thought.

Now, I ain’t gonna sit on his face and jerk him off about his new invention when his previous brainstorm, a wavepool to beat all others, still exists only in his imagination.

Greg, who is fifty-eight, says a pool in the US is at the engineering stage, finance covered etc.

“I have been saying that for five years or more,” he says, adding the reason it’s taking so long is it’s being built within an existing resort. “Building a wave pool on a bit of farmland in the middle of essentially nowhere is way, way quicker.”

Greg also puts the slowness of the build down to his refusal to dilute his and his existing shareholders’ stock holdings to chase quick capital.

The Gold Coast pool, he says, is back at the looking-for-land stage after the the local government re-zoned the site for a highway bypass.

Is it still a chance to be built?

“God knows, actually.”

Anyway,

What he’s got for me today are three pretty cool-looking designs that have the potential, on paper at least, of turning shitty waves into spinning wedges. 

First thing is a vee-wall, a fifty-metre long portable sea-wall that can be stuck anywhere on a beach to turn a corresponding length of sand from closeouts into “mechanically perfect” wedges.

These things cost around $A200,000 and Greg hopes they’ll become a gateway drug to councils and developers to buy his thirty-million dollar vee-reef.

“The vee-walls are incredible fun. They achieve a lot for the average surfer. Have ten or twenty of ‘em along a stretch of coast and he’ll be able to get away from all the other nutcases.”

The vee-reef, he says, are three hundred metres long, base to tip, and they’ll create “a phenomenal wave, a world-class wave that is like two Supa Banks, back to back. How the fuck wouldn’t you want to ride something like that? Of course, it’s the same deal as the Supa Bank, crowd-wise, unless you’re building seven or eight of them.”

 

Therefore, Greg recommends a mixture of vee-walls and vee-reefs for somewhere like the Gold Coast where overcrowding has made surfing there, for the most, a Mad Max-esque experience.

Greg has sat on the reef and wall idea since 2015 ‘cause he didn’t want divert attention away from his pool. Now, he figures his little 200-grand walls may have the potential to convince someone to stump up the two million bucks needed to build a single channel, linear wave pool to show the world how good it is.

Same plough sorta idea as Kelly, but with his patented reverse current to make the wave “hollow as fuck.”

Third invention? An EVA blanket that sits under water and that’ll act like a kelp bed and keep the surface of the water clean even in an unfavourable wind.

“You can ride an onshore day and there’ll be no surface chop at all,” he says.

The vee-reef, which would be anchored in deep water offshore, also comes with shark nets, which opens an interesting, and compelling I think, philosophical side to Webber. He says that by employing the old we’re-in-their-environment-deal-with-it argument every time a surfer or swimmer is hit by a shark, we’re doing society a grave disservice.

“These nets are to appease environmentalists so sharks, dolphins, whales or any other loveable sea creature doesn’t even get a graze from the reef,” he says. “I am being a bit facetious but I do count human lives above the life of a shark or any fish, really. There’s a biological instinct that makes us fearful of deep water just as children are scared of the dark. As adults, we can rationalise the dark but when you’re sitting in deep, dark water no rationalising can stop that fear. And, I think, we all need to become more comfortable with the ocean, not less. And the only way to do that is for more people to surf or to feel comfortable swimming out into the ocean. The more people who use the ocean, the more who will want to protect it.

“We make a mistake when we favour the shark at the expense of the happiness of billions of people. If a billion people are happier by being immerse in the water, you’re having a large-scale effect on the way people think about life, society and materialism. The ocean gives us that.”

Greg laughs.

He’s feeling his 200-grand vee-walls, knows they’re affordable enough to actually be built.

“Not this thirty million dollar fucking nightmare (wave pools),” he says. “These are a two-hundred thousand dollar wet dream. I’m excited.”

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GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

Between 600kw and 1000kw

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

Did I answer them, if not can you post again?

Low wide stinkbug stance
Low wide stinkbug stance
7 years ago

Next time ask him if he’s got worldwide patents for these ideas that he’s posting publicly. Pro tip: There’s no such thing as a worldwide patent. That means he has to get the plan lodged (and approved) in every single country that could possibly build it. I’ve done this for 4 countries and it set me back about 50k from start to finish just to get approved.
Companies like Google and Apple actually do get patents in every single country because they have the money to do it.
Greg Webber must be rolling in coin if he can properly protect every single one of his inventions. That’s a lot of money for a humble shaper to have lying around when most shapers are (or end up) broke, even the famous ones.
And if he hasn’t patented it yet, then sorry Greg but once this stuff enters the public domain, it is no longer patentable.

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

What a journalist says to save text isn’t necessarily what the interviewee said. Do you seriously think I could not know that? After all these years? I write my own claims and use the PCT to buy time before the national phase. I write the provisionals with my brother to get the priority date and then use our patent attorney just to re-write and add any claims that we might have worked out over the last 10 months prior to getting examined. And when you do get acceptance in countries like USA then the examiners in many other countries just follow suit so you often don’t need to argue points and narrow claims in all countries. It’s called the national phase but if you say that, then most people then think that means you’ve just got it to the country you’re in and they don’t realise it’s at the world wide stage. Which you then have to select country by country except the EU but this all takes several sentences to explain….but when know it alls have a go at me I have to waste energy proving that I actually know what I’m doing so that those that listen to the negative people out there don’t get conned by their smart talk.

NEGATRON
NEGATRON
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

Cheers for being prepared to get your hands dirty in the comment section Greg, you’ll have written a novel come next week!

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  NEGATRON

Too true! and it’s still going

G$415
G$415
7 years ago

O B 415

Ricoimmo
Ricoimmo
7 years ago

like everyone else i’m highly skeptical that this design can do what it promises, and even more skeptical of the idea that it could be built for anything close to $200k or whatever absurdly low number is being advertised.

that said, artificial reefs really might become necessary as sea level rise and coastal erosion combine to threaten some of the most expensive real estate on the planet.

ask the folks in nantucket and malibu how much sand they’ve lost over the past decade and how much some of those homes are worth on baxter road in nantucket, or along broad beach in the ‘bu.

even if the waves suck, if an offshore reef can slow down the inevitable for even a few years, you’ll get some willing takers.

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  Ricoimmo

If you cannot see that these two designs will work then you’re not really aware of how waves move and reflect and break. That’s why you should back up why you don’t think they will work with some reasons that relate to wave dynamics. But guess what there’s no chance you’ve even checked the website out is there.

samwaters
samwaters
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

Well, I know I’m no brain surgeon but just dropping a V shaped structure in the ocean (the easy part) would not cause waves to peel off for any distance on each side of it. it would have to have something anchored to the bottom and at an ‘angle’ stretching one hundred feet ‘AWAY’ from the structure for a hundred foot ride, 50 feet AWAY from the structure for a short 50ft ride….it would have to be at the right angle and depth and would be ‘totality submerged’ 50 to 100 feet ‘AWAY’ from the V shape structure and could not be pushed around by the waves– that’s the ‘Hard Part’ they left out.

A V shaped structure with nothing underneath on the sides stretching, leading ‘Away’ from it and mimicking a reef angled to the shore would just produce closeouts……..as waves break following the bottom contour of the ocean floor.

G$415
G$415
7 years ago

OB needs one!

Krypto Jackson
Krypto Jackson
7 years ago
Reply to  G$415

It has the Ocean Beach Pier and 3 jetties just north – there’s no room for any more. I’d intersperse some of these in Mission Beach.

stinky
stinky
7 years ago
Reply to  Krypto Jackson

No thanks, we’re perfectly happy with Mission just the way it is

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

Couldn’t reply due to some issue with authentication issue but just worked it out last night via Derek’s advice on server.

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

I replied with massive responses yday ans rhe dau before and this f’ing thing kept popping up saying “you must authenticate the user or provide author name” but with no indication whatsoever of how to do it or even who is saying this shit? Then I go to some other site and register with that thing and so on. Then it still didn’t work so I asked derek and he suggested chrome so I’m all ok now. But this is all while answering on Facebook Swellnet Instagram and by text and email and phone calls from all over the place. From Ireland to the canaries to Israel and the usual surfing countries.

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

I guess you’re talking about the Vreef. Well the wave energy will not go under the reef if the outer edge of the gradient drops down low enough. The artists renders of the section view isn’t totally a copy of what will be engineered. It was done over 3 years ago. But good on you for even pickling up on that factor.
We have done scale model testing and there is a relationship between the wavelength and the depth of the outer edge drop off. The more we added to the outer edge the better the wave lifted up and broke. I’ll add some pics from the model testing to the website to prove how well it works. Just been so flat out getting it to this stage that I’ve not done that bit. As for the cost that depends how big you go of course and a smaller one 300m long is only going to be double the cost of building a concrete pool basin of the same size on excavated land (ok maybe three times) So I used the cost to build a pool basin 190m long with all sorts of steel columns to carry a drive system which we don’t have, but it came to $6 so multiply that by 3 to get 2 x 300m arms. Gets you to about $18m then double or triple and you’re getting to between $40m and $60m. Even if it’s $100m once assessed and insured and deployed it’ll add over $1b to a highly populated tourist area like the Gold Coast, especially up at surfers right at Q1 with over 2000 apartments and a couple of hundred retail spaces within 500m either side of it. Add 10 Vwalls either side and it might even add more value. You’ve gotto remember how far we travel to get perfect waves and these things are going to be close to mechanical. The only variables will be the variations in the waves that break on them.

Brutus
Brutus
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

add $1b value …..2000 apartments , hundreds of of retail spaces……Vwalls everywhere , wow you are a visionary , crowded urban surf dream , sounds great for those 100K surfers between Brisbane and the Gold Coast….hahaha…

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  Brutus

Yes. These are the views of long time surfers in the highest positions in the biggest accounting and valuation firm on the planet. Just look at the images and for a few seconds imagine that they are real, and you are in Q1, ten stories up, right in front of the Vreef, there are half a dozen of the best male and female surfers in the world checking out a batch of 20 surfboards that you’ve made for whoever wants to buy them. (At cost of course) you are back in prime demand and john john is not wanting to upset Pyzel but he’s been hearing how amazing your new deep singles are going and wants to try one. So you go to the bag that has one with exactly his dimensions and even has a very similar planshape to his usual boards and cleverly enough it has no stickers at all. (You know that people watching him won’t notice the missing pyzel, but will always see another shapers logo) And so he takes it for a test run. Twenty mins later you’re looking at him through binocs, and he’s looking as fast as he’s ever looked. Maybe faster. How amped would you be Maurice?!! And guess what, the reef design does work, and will create significant increases in property values, and you are one of the best shapers in the world so the advanced deep concave design will also work.
The Vreef and Vwall are as obvious to me as the deep concave is to you. Surfaces against water.

Brutus
Brutus
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

webber waffle continues , some bloke who you reckon surfs and works at Deloites , thinks it’s trillion $ industry …how much money are they tipping in?????
Nothing I would think, as it’s just pie in the Sky stuff and you need more $’s to support your lifestyle!!

Greg my designing shaping has nothing to do with what we are discussing here , so lets take stock…you have plenty of ideas, have received large amounts of $’s to progress these ideas…so far none of your ideas have seen a working model and we hear left and right a lot of $’s has been spent , but nothing to show except a new idea that needs financing…it’s called a con!

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

I studied science at two universities and have a highly rational mind as well as being able to go off on tangents designs wise, so I’m not the typical inventor type or i would never have been able to patent the things that are patentable. Understanding how to create claims that are likely to be defendable takes exactly the opposite type of thinking to what happens with freethinking creativity. Just listen to the videos that I make and maybe you’ll see that there is still a broader understanding of what it takes to make lots of perfect waves. And one thing is that people with wealth have to see that there is a chance to make even more money, but at not too great a risk. And these people are very defensive about making mistakes because yes, they don’t like losing money of course but worse still they don’t enjoy losing pride amongst their peers. So it’s always been hard to get in a really big investor without them wanting virtually all of he company to offset for the risk.
Also, on another point, these big money types usually have shareholders that will pressure them for higher profits and they will want to charge as much as possible to use the product. In our case it’s wave making in it on things like pools and reefs. My argument early on was to not even charge surfers to use the wave pools since they will stay way longer and spend more on food and all sorts of retail if you have the pools a part of hotel and retail complexes. Nobody liked that idea. But when there are more and more pools being built then this drawcard of free waves will probably double the number of surfers wanting to go there. Which then influences the leasing rates of the hotel and retail. Same with the Vwall and Vreef. Don’t charge, let everyone go there and then the hotels and retail areas will gain even more and so councils will favour this model and pass them and we will get lots of them and surfers will have less crowd and not have to drive far and won’t have to pay a cent to use them.

Brutus
Brutus
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

you are a stable genius , except no runs on the board!

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

Test

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

Mke Simm from Perth Surf Parks is funding the construction of a slightly smaller base model to be deployed at Trigg beach. So there will be a prototype making perfect little wedges in about a year. It’s a simple thing to make but getting it through council will still take time.

Brutus
Brutus
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

so what if council refuse ?

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

That’s about all wave pools. Not just our one. Even after proving to the world that a perfect barrel was possible, and after having a highly successful event in that pool, Kelly has just had two years of work on a potential Florida development canned. Getting huge things built in highly developed areas is way way harder than building a huge pool on a plot of farm land. I’m sure you can understand that. And the extra reason for the delay with the Webber wave pool is never selling out to a large investor who might fund the first pool build but at the expense of all shareholders having their stock reduced to about 5% of their original value or lower! I’ve never diluted and usa will start building by the end of the year. Ask tunnel vision how happy they are to spend nearly $500k on their DA,have it accepted and then have the roads dept take the land back. It’s hard out there in the big business world you guys are probably not in.

Brutus
Brutus
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

what a load of Bullshit Greg , Kelly’s pool was done in secret , yeah got a tube , but not enough waves to make it commercially viable, and the founders cup was a novelty event not too well received by the surfing public s well boring….
How the fuck can you say ” you are never selling out to a big investor because diluting the stock will lower the original value?”……Webber waffle!

RickyBobby
RickyBobby
7 years ago

Dream big Webbie, more ideas not less. Get a perspiration partner with chops. The execution is the idea.

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  RickyBobby

You all say the same thing and as if I didn’t expect this. Let’s say you have a company that sells one very expensive product like a luxury car for a $200k per unit but you need to grow to keep the company strong and you start making the base model cars for $30,000 that’s all I’m doing. But if I had worked out the Vwall 20 years ago then I’d have done it backward and the wave pool would be built by now. Also, I’ve never diluted. So I’m defending the other shareholders that have put in their own money and I have promised myself and them that we will not dilute. Guess what inventors and their early stage investors end up with after going to the usual big money investment sources like venture capital? About 5%

RickyBobby
RickyBobby
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

Commendable. More power your way. Not wanting you on the defense whatsoever. There’s not enough of you in the world. Selfishly I want your ideas in action. Cheers.

Elpipiw Wipiple
Elpipiw Wipiple
7 years ago

do you need a test site? i got one..try building it here in southern PH..material and labor cost is cheap.. ~_~

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago

Sounds good can you email me? I’ve got a contact with an Indonesian property developer in Bali for the same reason.

f u
f u
7 years ago

its been a month, you sound like his mom

slaters foot
slaters foot
7 years ago

truly a visionary! we are lucky to have this man in the surf world. If he was an inventor in the medicine world cancer wouldn’t be a thing!

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  slaters foot

How come the other guys are not thinking at all the same way?
Super cheap to build, can be moved around and adjusted or removed in total, super simple the way it functions, it can’t not work at all since we all see how breakwalls make wedges, it makes great waves, for no energy cost at all and nobody has to pay a cent to ride them.

slaters foot
slaters foot
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

Greg Greg Greg. Id love for this to work because who doesn’t like better waves. But the more time you spend on here responding to idiots like me the less time you are putting towards any of the ideas

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  slaters foot

I have to counter the negative comments since they appear to be valid. And the concern is valid but it takes a lot of words to explain things that are complex.if I don’t then I’ll have much more trouble getting investors. It takes one or two sentences to say “mate this thing won’t even handle a 4 foot wave” that’s ten words, easy. Takes me about 500 worlds to explain why that’s wrong. And I can’t just say “nope, we’ve tested it and it does” since scores of businesses seem to be so certain and still fail. Mate it’s beyond tiring but I knew it would happen. And I don’t need to do anything design wise since I’ve already designed the next two and just have to patent them. Best left in my head for the moment, but I might release them, still thinking about what value they have in terms of adding believability to the entire suite of patents. Will it help or not?

slaters foot
slaters foot
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

Greg while i see your point 100% of it taking alot more effort to prop it up rather than bring it down I will say that to me personally the strategy of glossy mock ups and no hardware is discouraging. I’d love to have better waves at my local but honestly I’d rather see them spend 200,000 on education

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  slaters foot

I’ll be just repeating myself

slaters foot
slaters foot
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

I think that there would be significantly less negative comments for you to answer if there were more prototypes and photos of hardware rather than artist impressions

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  slaters foot

It takes money to make physical things and to pay for the usual business costs let alone patents so I explain the principles and do the artwork and whoever can see that there’s a good chance it will work out and succeed will also buy shares when the price is at its very lowest and their smart ass mates who say you’re wasting their money will either gloat over being right or cringe as their mate turns $10,000 into $1,000,000. And those that do invest recognise the risk anyway, since it’s not certain and reliable like bank interest but they take that risk on a small amount of their savings since they might make multiples on at least one investment. If I was selling shares in these inventions after they were proven the price wouldn’t exactly be the same would it. It’s the investors call. We chat, I show them the science, and let them meet some of the people who are predicting the massive growth and they make their own decision.

slaters foot
slaters foot
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

Ok so with all of that who is willing to spend this amount of money in real life?

Ricoimmo
Ricoimmo
7 years ago
Reply to  GregWebber

ok i’ll bite. what size is this v-wall and how do you see it being moved around and situated onto a beachbreak that gets swell but lacks good shape?

there’s no way this thing stays where its supposed to be unless its extremely heavy and stable. all artificial reefs i’ve seen have failed because they were too small to hold up under a real ocean swell.

i’m a skeptical person by nature, so i’m thinking if this could work someone would have built it by now. willing to be convinced though

GregWebber
GregWebber
7 years ago
Reply to  Ricoimmo

It’s hard for most people to imagine how stable it will be but if you were to make a 2m long copy of the Vwall and tried to push it backwards through the water like in a swimming pool how easy would that be? Then make some 3cm waves that you aim at the pointed tip and so between the two actions and reactions you’ll realise that waves themselves just being reflected will have a negligible effect on the position of the structure. Nobody seems to be able to sense the inertia that needs to be resisted to move the thing backwards nor the way the reflected waves slide along the walls without any actual impact.

Beef & Beer
Beef & Beer
7 years ago

Yes exactly
No sense at all

janeausten
janeausten
7 years ago

You might just get a backyard pool and pergola for that.

Gadoot
Gadoot
7 years ago

Nobody asks how much electricity one wave at surf ranch needs

mine.mine.mine
mine.mine.mine
7 years ago
Reply to  Gadoot

its free with the panels on the train.. ha

turts
turts
7 years ago

Someone tell him he’s dreaming


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