"I mean, come on. That is straight out of the fascism playbook."
The World Surf League is not generally known for stoking fires, but that all changed over the weekend when Chief Strategy and Brand Officer Dave Prodan took a torch to the political right.
Prodan, who has been with the League since 1976 and also hosts the very successful podcast The Lineup, introduced his 61st guest, Jordy Smith, with the following monologue (listen here).
Thank you to everyone who sent us notes on last week’s podcast with Nick Carroll, many of you saying it’s the best one we’ve ever done and, of course, as those who listen to it know, Nick was fantastic in it. The comment that the WSL social team pulled to promote the episode on Instagram was Nick asking if online trolls in the surfing world were the counter-culture rebels they so desired to be or just their parents. A reference to the vitriol someone like 2x World Champ Tyler Wright suffers for choosing to speak her mind. And that post, and you can still check this yourself, drew the now standard complaints from this very same community.
(Breathless voice) “All lives matter.”
“Keep politics out of surfing.”
“How great would it be to watch a surf contest? Shrug emoji.”
All of which, un-ironically, proved Nick’s point for him. The number of conservative, whining, fucking fascists in the surfing world, some of which hold esteemed positions in companies and on Olympic teams, is pathetic.
You don’t have to agree with what surfers are saying on the platforms they more than earned, however, to cry foul on them to be able to use their well-earned platforms at all? I mean, come on. That is straight out of the fascism playbook. And this cancer, in my humble opinion and the humble opinion of this podcast, has been rearing its head in The Lineup circle ever since George Floyd’s murder last may and our decision to acknowledge it.
Last week, here in the United States, eight people, six of which were Asian American women, were gunned down in a hate crime by a white supremacist male in Atlanta. There’s absolutely no justification for it. And it doesn’t have a chance of correcting if you continue to avert your eyes or or choose median opinions that are more comfortable to you.
Me bringing it up here is not politics, it’s reality. And the surfers whom you bitch about raising attention to racial and gender violence and on platforms that they have earned is not politics either. And if it makes you uncomfortable, good. That’s a human response. It makes me uncomfortable too.
And again, you don’t have to agree with everything they’re saying but they have earned the right to say it. And I hope they keep saying it.
Whoa.
Extremely thinly veiled jabs at certain well-known conservatives in esteemed positions at companies and Brett Simpson.
The League, which has pivoted hard woke in recent months, is clearly tired of certain elements in its fanbase which raises the question.
Is Prodan correct in his broadside or is he, himself, using “fascism’s playbook” to silence oppositional thinking?
It seems he is brandishing an awfully big brush with which to paint, no?
Or actually no?
More as the story develops.
Or maybe we can just talk to BIPOC people directly and ask how they feel being told or hearing others being told to just entertain us for their paycheck and shut uo about how policies impact them?
The right is right and the left is right. And the right is also wrong as is the left. Fuck politics and politicians and political action committees and lobbyists and ideologues and people who are so sold on their own position and lack any semblance of willingness/ability to see that the world and all that exists therein is nothing but nuance. If one can’t argue convincingly from the opposing position’s standpoint, he/she should be totally disregarded. Just the one and a half cents from a severely depressed twice divorced father of three who used to surf pretty decently but now couldn’t care less but is so sick of the fucking partisan back and forth between those who for the life and death of them couldn’t and wouldn’t be caught dead articulating the opposing point of view from a sincere and heartfelt perspective based on the fact that we were all once clueless completely dependent little boys and girls who knew nothing but mommy and daddy (if we were lucky), eating and drinking, pooping and pee peeing and playing with blocks and dolls and toy cars and GI Joes and whatever the fuck else. As an aside, I used to on the sly pick up half smoked ciggies on the streets on NYC As a kid in the 80s when I’d be up there visiting my mom from Florida as a kid. I’d collect them shits like Easter eggs and smoke em on the roof of our loft on Park and as 25th back when there was an armory (whatever the fuck that was…I just remember there were tennis courts inside and I liked tennis) across the street that housed homeless people commonly referred to as bums back then before PC was a thing and the bums or sorry the homeless people mainly men who were disproportionately black ops I mean African American would shit in the street on 25th street like it was nothing. All that to say, it would be vastly more interesting if Otto and John’s Knee and any right winger neo con climate change denying MAGA hat wearing Reaganomic nazis and tree hugging woke Cis gender (what the actual fuck is that anyway? Too lazy and apathetic to google) libtard cuck and whatever other pejorative terms the right calls you would switch positions and argue from the opposing point of view vis a vie John’s Knee arguing from the right and Otto from the left. In my admittedly flawed disease addled brain that would be very much worth tuning in for. The status quo politically is just oh so tedious and unimaginative. Rant over and out.
But is Joeworkingclass a white dude?
That’s the best statement ever made from the wsl since they changed their name. Congrats to dave p.
Now let’s get to work on the rebranding.
ditch the telly and go read a book, ain’t no time ever so worthy…
They always had booze and drugs tho.
wright or wrong, fame is a platform.
Can’t we all get along? Love your neighbor. Be a good steward of your surroundings. Honor your elders. Prodan has a heavy burden being that he has his voice put out to the public. He does come off as someone that thinks that woke intelligence = wisdom sometimes though. Kids today think that all this stuff is new and unprecedented but it’s just another page in the book. We are loosing our connection to history so each generation is learning less from the past.
fuck you fascist
That’s more like it! Grit again all you hippie capitalist socialist fascist anarchist zealots. Grit again!
But if the media fawns over you then why should you change?
We’ll use Podran’s comments about “Asian Hate” as an example.
Go back 30 years to the LA riots where you had Korean business owners shooting at black looters.
The acrimony between blacks and Asians goes back AT LEAST that far for a myriad of reasons.
But all of a sudden some incel POS shoots up a handy joint and the narrative is that white people hate Asians.
Read the NY Post everyday and you will see that the attacks on Asians continue and the vast majority are committed by black men (mental illness plays a huge role in that, as well but that’s another can of worms).
Did Dave look at any statistics? Does he have any inkling of the contentious relationship between blacks and Asians in inner cities?
Meanwhile…the irony of the situation is that hardcore Lefties in NYC are, in fact, openly discriminating against Asians.
How so? By denying them entry into the city’s top high schools because they are smarter than black and brown students.
I believe it’s the same scenario at Harvard.
So yeah, Dave should STFU because he has no idea what he’s talking about.
show the stats then bitch…
Why don’t you go fuck yourself you lazy bastard.
i fuck myself every day, often twice… #edging
Makes sense.
The image of Tommy Smith and Peter Norman fist raised post their run on gold and silver always provoke a positive form of rebellion in me. As does man holding grocery bag in front of large tank stopping its forward movement. Who’s to say Tyler’s image doesn’t evoke the same feeling in someone? However I do think it looses its value when packaged and sold as decisive moment in some form of new era for women’s surfing.
Miss Kennelly example speaks to me more, face bleeding in Tahitian reef pass, her preference has been out for decade longer. Or maybe I should have the utmost respect for any women battling for waves in line ups with consequence competing with overly selfish men.
you should have the utmost respect for any woman period…
Oh look – bunch of old angry fat washed up white dudes commenting about ‘wokism’ or some other bullshit – you idiots are such ‘victims’. I grew up with your type and I know exactly what you are. The reality is you have pathetic, shitty lives and trump allowed you to be your worst selves – and here you are like crabs in a bucket, trying to pull everyone else down to your shitty, pathetic level. Dave is right…
Research shows that those that scream the loudest about Conservatives, are pedophiles. Usually grown ass men hanging around young surfers(?), at the showers. Guys like this were quiet back in the day when localism ruled our lineups. Now, they’re megaphone mouths because they’re scared the mean Conservatives are going to blow up their abilities to hang around beaches/pro events and cruise young people!
Sound familiar? Everybody can think of an older “surf industry” guy that’s always hanging with the kids in the name of surfing.
Funny how that works
Ha, you’re so full of shit.
Got a link to this research or you just spending too much around the showers?
It’s also rumoured that he was an early exponent of micro dosing some harder stuff through the war years. A committed public servant till the very end.
Trey and Matt from South Park… wish they surfed.
Their take down of Sean Penn, Tim Robbins etc in Team America was brilliant.
Actors trying to be politicians… fuck off.
Nick Carroll and his insane idiotic laugh… fuck off.
Oh sorry, didn’t realise Tyler had showed up at your house and wouldn’t leave you alone, shoving her opinion down your throat.
kudos to prodan
Towing the popular line does not make you a “rebel”
Let’s try this as it is more fun:
A attacks B.
C defends B.
A attacks C.
B & C attack A.
A wishes everything was simple like the time when they were just attacking B and nobody had yet done anything.
Meanwhile.
D and E surf.
F through to P watch TV.
Q sends me messages in the newspaper.
R through to U debate it all online.
V, W, X & Y fuck.
Z is bitten by a shark.
Find Beachgrit, show your working out.
Isn’t platform just another word for fame?
It’s another word for money
Im on that Coin spot platform
How about that THETA!!!
I wonder if Curry was on it.
well you don’t really ‘pay’ to watch surfing comps do ya…