John John Florence
Like JJF here, Rory Parker is "a Futures boy through and through. Strong as fuck, spider webbed many a box on shallow reef, never actually torn one out. I'm the first to say that brand loyalty is for idiots, but I'm gay for Futures. I'd happily suck their collective dick in a truck stop shitter." | Photo: Courtesy John John Florence

Dear Rory: Why are fins so expensive?

And does swapping up the foil, flex, cant, base, rake make a difference?

Dear Rory,

You strike me as someone with good knowledge of the surf biz. One thing I find myself asking is why the hell are fins so expensive? Molded plastic going over $100 seems crazy. Are sponsorships eating away profits or are these guys just making money hand over fist? What kind of mark-up do retailers get? Why isn’t some cut rate outfit making a $20 knockoff? Are the plugs patented? What about proprietary foil, flex, or dimensions? How badly are we being raked over the coals? I need to know!

Fins Out and Fancy Free

Dear Rory says:

So many questions!

Fins HAVE gotten ridiculously expensive in the last few years, and there’s a very simple reason. People are willing to pay that much. Fins are rocking the keystone markup, and serve as an awesome up sell item.

Ever work in a surf shop? Then you’ve dealt with the type of moron who comes in to buy their first board, and insists on a sparkling white hiperf rip stick. They usually know how to ride a snowboard or a wakeboard, or something like that, and are convinced that they’ll be able to shred it up in no time.

No, they don’t want a longboard or even a big fishy plank. It’s gotta be small, thin, and expensive. So, great. You give them what they want. But they probably need a bag too. And multiple leashes. And a bunch of different sets of fins for various conditions. You can turn seven hundred bucks into a grand lickety-split. Nothing wrong with parting a chump from his money, it’s his own hubris ripping him off.

Of course, there are the unscrupulous dicks who use fins as a bait and switch. “Oh, fins aren’t included.”

Well, they were included in the wholesale cost and the board won’t work without them. It’s like selling a car but the price doesn’t include tires. You can always haggle your way into having them thrown in, but why bother? Go somewhere else, leave them to their kook swindling.

As far as sponsorships eating away profits, it’s hard to say. Easy to point out that FCStitch is tossing money at nearly everyone on tour, while the Futures team is pretty sparse, and runs a fraction of the advertising.

Which isn’t surprising, Futures makes an awesome product. I’m a Futures boy through and through. Strong as fuck, spider webbed many a box on shallow reef, never actually torn one out. I’m the first to say that brand loyalty is for idiots, but I’m gay for Futures. I’d happily suck their collective dick in a truck stop shitter.

FCS… sucks. I’ve broken fins, and plugs, doing turns. Totally unacceptable. They were on the right track with the Fusions, adding a layer of glass to keep the plugs from popping out (which Futures had been doing since the beginning), but then they ruined it with the FCS2 fuckery. Titanium rods? Upgrade kits to make them backward compatible? Total bullshit.

Did you know that Surf Hardware sued SurfCo Hawaii for patent infringement over the Pro Teck line? They did, they lost, and they opened the door for off brand competitors. You can find them online, check Alibaba Express. Super inexpensive, though they cut corners like mad and you run the risk of picking up a poorly foiled hummingbird.

Now, does fin shape really matter? Will swapping up your foil, flex, cant, base, rake, make a difference? Yes and no. If you’re in the top ten percent, ability wise, of people who consider themselves surfers, then yes. Once you know how to engage your fins, use them to drive through turns, off the bottom, whatever, they can make or break a section. My oafish ass is totally devoted to stiff carbon numbers. When you’re over two hundred pounds anything else just feels like mush, especially if the surf has some juice. But for everyone else, the huge unjazzed mass of barneys standing knock kneed, bent waist, trimming awkwardly toward the shoulder on a shortboard they don’t know how to ride? There’s no difference, beyond the well-documented fact that if you think you’re ripping you may as well be. And like a kick ass airbrush, neat looking fins will make you think you surf at least five percent better.

I’ve got, literally, a few dozen sets of fins I’ve accumulated over the years. But I’m always on my Techflex Merricks. I love ’em, so much so that I’ll swap in some second-tier jobs if it’s particularly shallow. I don’t know if I can still wrangle a deal on them, and I don’t relish the idea of peeling off that much dough for a replacement set. Small, low-tide Rocky Rights? I’m running plastics so I don’t break my heart, and my wallet.

In the end, whether we’re talking fins specs, or board design, there’s no right answer. Everything comes down to your personal preference, whatever suits your own particular approach to wave sliding. Some people will swear that glass-ons are the end-all-be-all, and even though they’re a nightmare to ship, and they take up too much space on the rack, if that’s what floats your boat, right on.

But, for me, it comes down to rugged durability. What’s gonna let me keep surfing without paying out the ass for a constant stream of replacement fins? The only correct answer is Futures.

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Due to the volume of mail, Dear Rory can’t answer letters personally etc…

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karlmarxsux
karlmarxsux
10 years ago

On another note.FCS was developed to increase tail flex as well as changeability.Futures are stiff and run off some tail kicks.They are limited as far as the can’t adjustment 6 to 8 degrees if you are lucky.FCS plugs in my opinion was the best invention for limitless can’t degrees and combinations the third most important part of a surfboard equation .Futures is an after fart for surfers who prefer durability over performance.

karlmarxsux
karlmarxsux
10 years ago

Fins are so expensive because there is a monopoly and an over standardization going on in the industry. Also environmental laws here are so strict that these taxes -laws raise the price of goods .Soooo they make them over seas where they pollute just as much if not more than we would if these laws never existed and we made them over here. The cost of fiberglass and resin has raised substantially because of environmentalism NOTE: MENTAL-ism is the key word here.This is why FCS” Fin Cock Suckers” can afford 10K dollar ads in Surfer mag ? FCS is charging you up the ass for 3 small pieces of mass produced crap . If you buy the cheaper plastic fins instead of the pretty, knifer ones ,you will get more bang for your buck and better performance.And yes FINS MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE Q!!!!

TH
TH
10 years ago

AM2’s are the biz… for me anyways.. Try out fins tho, they make a huge difference!

Donny mandible
Donny mandible
10 years ago

“if you think you’re ripping you may as well be.” Love this. I wish I had a better view of myself.

longtom
longtom
10 years ago

FCS plugs, tender yes, but when you grind them on the rocks the fins plugs tend to break before the box rips out.
Hand foiled fibreglass lay-up fins from Fluid Foils aka Alkali. Stiff bases, flexy tips. Back fin rock solid.

Lorlac
Lorlac
10 years ago

Why no mention of full fiberglass fins Raw Dog? People always reminisce about glass ons feeling so sweet, but it’s probably because they were mostly proper glass fins.

Seaman Staines
Seaman Staines
10 years ago
Reply to  Lorlac

Definitely the glass on fins felt better when FCS first came out and the fins were pretty shit plastic things but now I don’t think glass ons would feel any different, I’ve saved a few shitty feeling boards by fucking around with the fin size etc. I’m guessing many a shitty feeling board with glass on’s may have been saved with a fin change.

karlmarxsux
karlmarxsux
10 years ago
Reply to  Lorlac

I lived through the PAINFUL 80’s of glass on nightmares.They don’t feel sweet.They feel like shit when you can’t change your fins.

Chazz Michael Michaels
Chazz Michael Michaels
10 years ago

EVERY WCT EVENT IN 2015 WAS WON ON FCS FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

James B
James B
10 years ago

Ali Express.com!!! best price x quality ratio!!

Kook Dahanamoku
Kook Dahanamoku
10 years ago

Two references to sucking dicks in truck stops this week. Everything OK?

Abscessed Llama
Abscessed Llama
10 years ago

Don’t know of any truck stops on his garden isle. Maybe he is missing the mainland..

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago

Futures brah. YU or AM1 Techflex Forever.

Billy Joe
Billy Joe
10 years ago

The thing about FCS, is that there is a little gap between the fin and the board especially towards the front of the board. This has always messed with my head because it seems counterintuitive to hydrodynamics. I’ve been riding the vector style future fins for the past six years and they seem to feel way better than the regular kind.

Choc
Choc
10 years ago
Reply to  Billy Joe

The gap use to fuck with my head too. This is sorted out with FCS 2 boxes if you use FCS 2 fins.
I like Futures and had switched a few years ago.
Just after FCS 2 launched I ordered 5 new boards and they mistakenly all came with FCS 2 plugs. I was pissed off and called the shaper; he sent me a 5 fin set (quad/ tri) of Mayhem fins, large Fanning template fins and a set of carver quad trailers for free. I still like Futures but have to say FCS 2 plug quality is as good and nice not mucking around with a screw to change your fins. Very impressed with the Matt Biolos fin template as a thruster but especially as a quad in a rounded pin or pin tail.

Billy Joe
Billy Joe
10 years ago
Reply to  Choc

Nice one

Seaman Staines
Seaman Staines
10 years ago
Reply to  Choc

Ordered 5 new boards…..yes I am jealous.

Donny mandible
Donny mandible
10 years ago
Reply to  Choc

Be careful, I have lost a few, just not there after a session. Then yesterday I kicked one of them while sitting on my board, turned it over and it fell out and starting sliding down my board! Managed to grab it before it slid off but I’m putting in a safety screw now.

Choc
Choc
10 years ago
Reply to  Donny mandible

I’ve heard this from a couple of people now. Been on FCS 2 for just over two years with no problems so far. At first the fins were too hard to get out but with some wax as lube and after a few uses they were fine.

karlmarxsux
karlmarxsux
10 years ago
Reply to  Billy Joe

in your head.Remember what you just said.Back in the 80’s a bad sander was worse than any gap in the fins.

blumpkin mung
blumpkin mung
10 years ago

Is there a secret Partnership between BeachGrit and Future? Is this the death of BeachGrit? Or are you simply tarnishing the name of FCS to spite surfstitch? Is BeachGrit/ Future the Allies? Aligned to combat the SurfStiitch Axis? Regardless, FCS is an inferior product so I guess that it doesn’t matter much anyways

Thruster_Truster
Thruster_Truster
10 years ago

Plastic molded fins aren’t $100, well maybe in Australia. Just go with the yellow or blue AM fins from futures, never let me down.

Audit In Progress
Audit In Progress
10 years ago

I wish I could adjust the Kant on my fins.

But yeah, Futures AM2s forever.

DrunkenAngel
DrunkenAngel
10 years ago

I prefer to adjust the Schopenhauer on my find, as Kant leads to too many contradictions.

mcdonaldsreview
mcdonaldsreview
10 years ago
Reply to  DrunkenAngel

I Kant deal w/ that pun.

Seaman Staines
Seaman Staines
10 years ago

Yep Futures for me too, was given a board with FCS quads a year or two ago, great board but blew all four fcs plugs out over a period of a few months just doing turns, never seen anything like it. Never lost a futures, even got run over at Snapper (shocking I know) and had the guys fin cut my futures fin in half, futures box still intact.

My go to are the Blackstix, followed by my AM2’s.

Twoducks
Twoducks
10 years ago

Rory can’t have it both ways complaining about company’s using cheap under developed countries for cheaper product or how much something cost when they don’t, that my friend is the decisions we must make day

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago
Reply to  Twoducks

I think Futures are made in USA?

Lorlac
Lorlac
10 years ago

Maybe a couple, but definitely not the majority

Fahking Haole
Fahking Haole
10 years ago

Techflex F4s for the past few years! They’ve survived many a 220 session (that’s the grit of the sandpaper used to clean them up after scraping the reef). Helps to have a friend who reps the fins. Two sets, $40 each set, cash. Done.

Caveira é Baitola
Caveira é Baitola
10 years ago

Fuck FCS, i bought a Simona Anderson quad set, they seem to be made of sugar, piece of shit. Before this article, i was wondering about Futures. After this article, i will turn to Futures.

Karl Von Fanningstadt
Karl Von Fanningstadt
10 years ago

For me, Futures Honeycomb AM1s only… I know you were all dying to know!

Travis Bible
Travis Bible
10 years ago

So much wisdom!


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