"Mismanagement of forest underbrush back-burning in the winter months and overall water resources have helped create a perfect storm in the face of this drought," says 11-timer.
A recap.
Australia, if you’ve missed the blanket reporting, has been ablaze across its eastern and southern coasts since September.
Sixteen-million acres scorched, thirteen hundred houses gone, twenty-five dead.
Like most matters that require sound and rational thinking, fingers are instead being pointed this way and that way depending on which way you swing politically.
If you call yourself a progressive, it’s proof of the world’s imminent climate change apocalypse.
Yesterday, The New York Times ran an op-ed by the Australian author Richard Flanagan titled “Australia is Committing Climate Suicide.”
Australia today is ground zero for the climate catastrophe. Its glorious Great Barrier Reef is dying, its world-heritage rain forests are burning, its giant kelp forests have largely vanished, numerous towns have run out of water or are about to, and now the vast continent is burning on a scale never before seen.
The images of the fires are a cross between “Mad Max” and “On the Beach”: thousands driven onto beaches in a dull orange haze, crowded tableaux of people and animals almost medieval in their strange muteness — half-Bruegel, half-Bosch, ringed by fire, survivors’ faces hidden behind masks and swimming goggles. Day turns to night as smoke extinguishes all light in the horrifying minutes before the red glow announces the imminence of the inferno. Flames leaping 200 feet into the air. Fire tornadoes. Terrified children at the helm of dinghies, piloting away from the flames, refugees in their own country.
From The Sydney Morning Herald,
“It needn’t be happening. We’re breathing woodsmoke, flavoured with burnt echidna, but it’s (prime minister) Scott Morrison’s coal-fuelled fire that’s turning our lovely world to ash.”
Those on the right point to arson and a lack of preventative back-burning for the catastrophe and cite a prominent bushfire scientist’s warning of disaster back in 2015, and published, ironically, yes, in the left-wing journal The Age.
Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of “misguided green ideology”, vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned.
Victoria’s “failed fire management policy” is an increasing threat to human life, water supplies, property and the forest environment, David Packham said in a submission to the state’s Inspector-General for Emergency Management.
And he argued that unless the annual fuel reduction burning target, currently at a minimum of 5 per cent of public land, “is doubled or preferably tripled, a massive bushfire disaster will occur. The forest and alpine environment will decay and be damaged possibly beyond repair and homes and people [will be] incinerated.”
He said forest fuel levels had climbed to their most dangerous level in thousands of years.
And, now, Kelly Slater, 11-timer, lover of conspiracy theories and so on, has, surprisingly, gone for the latter and not, as one might expect, the former.
“I’m not sure a picture could better sum up the fear and devastation more succinctly,” Kelly wrote to his 2.6 million followers. “I’m no expert but from the messages and reading I’ve done on the subject, mismanagement of forest underbrush back-burning in the winter months and overall water resources have helped create a perfect storm in the face of this drought. I hope there is a silver lining and important lessons learned from the ongoing catastrophes once the dust settles. One of my biggest fears as a kid was fires and ironically enough, my mom was a firefighter. Maybe one created the other.”
To which you reply?
disagree with this guy https://www.abc.net.au/news…
apparently authorities have concluded that most of the brushfires were started by arsonists…
naught to do with “AGW”
kelly slater opining as an expert on a condition which he has no knowledge about… well im shocked.
what does China have to do with Australia? FFS, coal is a dying industry no matter how hard you try to prop it up. There’s no downside to getting off it.
^^^ Possible future serial killer here
Struggling to see why Slater’s views are being labelled “pro-science”?? Misguided would be my characterisation.
Struggling to see why Slater’s views are being labelled “pro-science”?? Misguided
As NC and others correctly point out Back Burning is a Bush-fire management technique. Fuel reduction burns or Prescribed Burns as we like to call them is the deliberate and very specific application of fire to reduce fuel loads on Forrest and Bush floors. It is a science that does take particular effort to evaluate, fuel load moisture contents, relative humidity, aspect and gradient of the burn area, etc etc, etc. Its not so straight forward and because its tricky business that’s one reason its not done a lot on the east coast, because over there its tricky country to burn in, very opportunistic and quite simply there’s not a lot of people with the required skill set over there to do it. The MAIN reason, fuel reduction burning doesn’t occur is the squeaky wheels of public community who whine and complain about not having clear air to breathe, or smoke and ash on their washing.
Prescribes burns executed properly should only get flame heights up to about 2m max,heat tolerance of local flora and natural habitats of local species are taken into consideration, allowing corridors for fauna movement.
Australia first people were pretty good at it, but for reasons other than protection of life and property.
Climate change or not, had fuel reduction been adequately managed, the outcome WOULD have been different, it would still have been devastating given the catastrophic conditions, but not as bad as it has been.
Are you sure you’re sufficiently taking into account the reduction of the time window available for safe controlled burns as a result of climate change? Not that I doubt that short-termist public pressure from people who don’t realise the importance of the practice plays a part.
I’m also guessing this would have had absolutely negligible impact on the scale of the fires, but yeah, I imagine it could have protected communities better.
The impact of the current climate trend is resulting in more available burning windows outside of the devil season in many places for the last 10 years particularly. This has caught many agencies off guard and it doesn’t fit with their planing and other work scopes for the available resources. No fire is manageable in 80+ kmph winds and extreme heat once its reached it full potential rate of spread, particularly in undulating country, however would modified fuel levels made a difference absafuckinglutely no doubt what so ever. Some fires would have been manageable before reaching their full rate of spread and intensity and off the early fires, some wouldn’t have even got going. 100% guarantee.
Interesting. But to be clear I was questioning your claim that the MAIN reason that insufficient fuel burning was done was due to public objections. After all, you have just given another reason yourself – that the opportunities to do it are occurring at unpredictable times. Again, I’m not doubting that public pressure not to create air pollution at times when it is seen as unnecessary is an issue, just questioning whether it really is the most important reason.
Also, with regard to my comment on the scale of the fires, it just intuitively seems to me that these fires are SO vast that the potential for human activity to impact them through pre-burning is limited, as there is just such a huge area to cover. So while I can well imagine that it might be practical to do much to protect certain keys areas such as those around habitations, it would surely be simply practically impossible to make much of a dent on most of the territory that has burned, is burning or is yet to burn this season?
As senior public servant in Bush fire management for 10 years dealing directly with the ministers office who road blocked specific burns, i can assure you public comment and dissatisfaction of proposed burns was the most number one main cause of not achieving proposed burnt hectares in WA between 1998 and 2000. That trend I’m led to believe has not changed. Yes public whining and winging is undoubtedly the main reason for not getting prescribed burning completed. The second reason is the continual reduction in budgets for prescribed burning programs. The Burning windows of opportunity are more unpredictable however with correct resourcing this isn’t an issue.Many of the resources are not designated 100% Full time equivalent to prescribed burning, using National Park Ranger as an example a Rangers job would most likely be broken down to 60% visitor services,10 % Weed management, 10% Fauna Management and 10% Prescribed burning. Your access to this person for prescribed burning is limited to when they are available. So when people are talking about the windows of opportunity to burn are limited, that’s only by the way we are currently structured to manage, Should we have FTE’s available to utilise as required,when the windows of opportunity were available more burning would occur.
You are right to suggest there is little that can be done right now with what has already burnt or is burning, other than to fight the fires, protect people and property. When and if conditions allow fire managers may chose to reduce fuel levels in strategic areas, if conditions allow. Resources will be stretched for the rest of the summer mopping up….then you will see the dust problems, trees falling over roads and on other things, when the rain starts MASSIVE erosion issues and complete vegetative profile change in some areas, And yes, all this could have been prevented with a concerted effort towards fuel reduction burning being resourced and applied seriously over the years.
Gotta love a good old misinformed “I reckon” from the GOAT himself.
The universe is infinite in it’s minutiae and in it’s grandeur
Still, a colonoscopy never hurts.
Here’s the Age article:
https://www.google.com/amp/…
I have a sneaking suspicion that ScoMo sees these fires as God’s judgement.
Israel Folau definitely does!
https://www.smh.com.au/spor…
Just so unneeded. What kind of a miserable person would say things like that.
Yeah, it’s amazing to me people still think like this.
It’s common in burqaville
Clear your land….. Take the fine !
My family did, and the home was saved !
Perfect example of bureaucrats thinking they know better than the people on the land.
The problem with this debate is that everyone has an opinion but none of them went to school
What do these fires have to do with sharks? Stay on topic!
A rare diversion. Normal transmission has since returned.
My dad lives in Batemans Bay and he reckons they’re all cunts. Including that bitch Mother Nature.
Sooty local.
In other breaking news, over the next 7 days in the north west of Australia a cyclone has developed into a deep tropical low that will drop so much rain There will be extensive flooding across the Kimberly and Pilbara. So much rain will fall that if a pipe was run across the country to key rivers it could keep the east coast of Australia drought free forever. This rain event and thoughts of building a pipeline to the east or southwest is likely to be ignored by global media outlets due to the small amount of people to be affected and that it does not fit in with the climate change agenda.
That’s far too right wing science based sensible idea for today’s politics mate.
First you have to blame the cyclone on climate change, big oil and meat eaters
No solutions please.
Just accusations and vacuous indolence
Plate tectonics are to blame
More likely a lack of contraception by doolbalachy’s parents
What do you mean it doesn’t fit in to the climate change agenda? For the record, extraordinary rain events do not run contrary to the consensus on climate change, if anything they will tend to confirm it (warmer air holds more moisture, leading to more rain when it dumps it over land).
A pipeline from a very wet to a very dry area sounds like it could be a great climate change mitigation strategy, but you’re talking about an absolutely massive infrastructure project which will take a huge amount of money, time and political will to realise, and before it starts there needs to be a high degree of certainty that any consistently over-watered West and drought-stricken East is going to be a consistent pattern going forward to make it worthwhile.
so wait, you’re proposing a pipe to run across the whole of Australia that can be run into “key rivers” and provide water for all eternity? Man, that sounds dreamy. How large a pipe we talking? And the cost of said pipe? Might it not make more sense to focus on local water storage methods?
Oh, btw, could we use all that water placed into rivers to put out these fires? Would that water have been used to keep all the forests damp so no fires ever started? Maybe a really huge sprinkler system could come along with your plan? That would be sick.
Haha. Billies in the dunes.- 420:24
The more you tell me about this Jebus guy, the more he sounds like a good cunt. Aye.
Did I read and interpret this correctly? Did the guy who has revolutionized taking and using water to make artificial waves to ride them on a surfboard point to someone else’s “mismanagement” of water sources? I love Kelly and defend him always… but….
Hypocrisy is the new integrity.
It’s evolution baby.
Think of the trillions all ready dead.
We ain’t special
Consume away legends!