"We're all pretty conservative, and this was not just conservative political talk."
The story of Matthew Taylor Coleman, the popular Santa Barbara surf school owner who, last week, drove his two young children to Mexico and murdered them with a speargun, is as tragic as it is incomprehensible and yet the human condition is to strive and create some sort of sense out of the dark pieces. To try and sort warning signs that could lead to pure horror from an otherwise idyllic-presenting life.
His arresting officers revealed, in the hours that followed, that Coleman believed his children possessed “serpent DNA” and that killing them would help save the world.
Now a friend has come forward with more insight, telling People magazine that, while their conversations used to be “normal,” in early 2021 things took a turn. “He’d tell me about stuff he read online. Conspiracies. But he’d present it like, ‘I read something really crazy. Isn’t that ridiculous?’ But then he’d start adding things like, ‘yeah, but when you think about it, it all makes a lot of sense.’ It was like he was starting to believe them. And he spent a lot of time looking at these conspiracies. He devoted a lot of brain power to them. It became clear to me that he believed some weird stuff.”
Still, even with the “weird stuff” there was no telltale sign that things would turn so dark, with the friend adding, “I need to be clear about something. He never said anything that led me to believe that he was a danger to himself or anyone else. We’re all pretty conservative, and this was not just conservative political talk. This was just out there. Stuff that made zero sense to me.”
Conspiracies are nothing new but it certainly does seem that the strains currently spreading are particularly virulent and not just the domain of “conservatives” even though that may be an easy conclusion to draw. I have two extremely liberal friends who have gone all in on Q-adjacent business. But why? Siloed Facebook groups, fear, misinformation, etc. all seem far too hollow to actually account for a father, heretofore deemed “normal,” spearing his own children in Mexico. Was Coleman profoundly, but secretly, mentally disturbed or did “devoting a lot of brain power” to “weird stuff” flip his switch?
In any case, an account has been set up in support of Coleman’s wife, Abby, with a family friend reaching out to BeachGrit writing, “I was wondering if y’all would consider sharing the gofundme that has been created for her. It was started by another one of her friends and will provide needed financial support for Abby as she is going through this very rough time. I suspect the surf community would be interested in rallying to help her in such a difficult time.”
Well I deliver to a bloke who gets CBD every couple of months or so through the mail. He had one package that had been damaged in transit, but he got a replacement quick enough.
Fair enough. As someone with a bit of experience in teaching critical thinking to kids, it’s mostly about identifying the people producing the information. An impressive sounding title eg. the FLCCC loses a bit of impact when you find it is a group of 3 doctors who got together early on in the COVID era and backed Ivermectin on what, at best, could be described as anecdotal results. When invited to participate in peer reviewed studies that would unequivocally prove their results they declined. As such, I take their results with more grains of salt than longer established medical research journals.
The worst part is that there is so much good information on the web that is being obscured by the bad. And beyond that, the low percentage of bad information that gets amplified by the higher percentage of the more gullible/less able critical thinkers in society.
Alex Jones is a great example of the ‘headlining method’. Take a piece of information and take a line from it that appears to back your narrative. Ignore the rest of the article that provides context. It’s only when the context is provided that you can see the amount of maliciousness in his work.
Also important to remember the difference between arguing with someone whose mind is made up and those who are asking questions and genuinely looking for information amongst the ‘noise’…
Yeah, I’m the tool. Why is it that whenever anyone asks for evidence of a claim made that the person who can’t/won’t provide it is the good guy?
For the record, I didn’t say I believe any of it. I’m just saying it’s all second hand. Not the most reliable info.
Definitely the most comments about a landlocked country on any surf related webpage here. How did that happen?
“surf-related” please.
It’s proper spelling and grammar that distinguish us from the Mongol races.
I just watched both seasons of Marco Polo and now know a lot more about the Mongols than I did before.
Kublai Khan and that. 13th Century. Invading China and stuff.
I’m gonna look up when they built the Great Wall of China because I think the Mongols is why they done it.
The Great Wall of China (traditional Chinese: 萬里長城; simplified Chinese: 万里长城; pinyin: Wànlǐ Chángchéng) is a series of fortifications that were built across the historical northern borders of ancient Chinese states and Imperial China as protection against various nomadic groups from the Eurasian Steppe. Several walls were built from as early as the 7th century BC,[2] with selective stretches later joined together by Qin Shi Huang (220–206 BC), the first emperor of China. Little of the Qin wall remains.[3] Later on, many successive dynasties built and maintained multiple stretches of border walls. The most well-known sections of the wall were built by the Ming dynasty (1368–1644).
Nice to know you don’t give a fuck what I think. Last time I checked everybody here is expressing their views which, hopefully, results in meaningful conversations as opposed to everyone reverting back to “I don’t care what you think”. To each his own though.
I guess I won’t go into anymore about 2nd hand info since that is the basis of everything you are saying. At least we can agree that serpent DNA is not real, difference being that I don’t believe many conspiracy theories are true. That’s why they are theories, not facts. Just a bunch of words with no proof.
And top secret military installations is a far cry from underground cities that nobody knows about.
Well Uncle Sam spent 20 years and untold bookoo bucks trying to teach those dingalings how to defend their daughters and their country and democracy but they failed – utterly.
They’re illiterate, they’re 16th Century, they’re religious zealots.
They’re doomed.
The people of that region have been slaughtering each other for centuries.
I don’t know if Chas reads any of this but he will be delighted I am quoting Auda abu Tayi: “Is it the blood? The desert has dried up more blood than you can think of.”
As for the world’s opinion. It’s the 50/50 rule. No matter what you do, 50% of the people will think you’re a genius, 50% will think you’re an idiot.
Biden’s move was bold, in a way, because there will be political repercussions.
They shoulda done it during the Obama administration – because Obama recognized the futility of all the wars in Asia and the Middle East – but at least they finally got it done.
Defend your own fucking country, you freaky dashakis.
Uncle Sam has better things to do with tens of billions of dollars.
Even longer.. Still no surfing relevance. Wrong website.
The simple truth about Afghanistan is this: How do you win a war? How did America defeat and demilitarize the Italians and the Germans and the Japanese during World War II?
You find the enemy and kill the shit out of them and keep killing them until they give up.
Simple as that, really: Firebomb Dresden and Tokyo.
Nuke them.
Could Uncle Sam have destroyed the Taliban?
Fighting in a country the size of Texas?
Easily.
Has America lost the will to slaughter and become too humanitarian to fight wars as they should be fought?
Yep.
World War II was the last war worth fighting.
It’s all been a waste of time since then.
Biden did the right thing pulling out of Afghanistan.
A waste of time and money and thousands of lives.
How’s the surf in Afghanistan?
Considering you probably couldn’t find Queensland on a map with both hands, one should inform you that Afghanistan is a land-locked country which has no wave pools ergo there is no surfing there.
You don’t remotely come across as being in the middle though.
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Honestly sounds like they’re building server farms.
BG community be doxing? Moddy?…I’m out
Are you saying hitler and Stalin are nothing more than conspiracy theories?
IDK LGR, I don’t recall anyone killing their kids over the alleged pee tape.
You realize that post makes you sound fucking nuts, right? You seem like an intelligent individual, most of the time, but, using a secondhand story that was told to you is not proof of anything. That’s the whole damn problem, you have no first hand knowledge of what you are claiming making this just another conspiracy theory. People, in general, don’t seem to understand how many people would have to be in on the secret for these wacko conspiracy theories to be true. We are talking hundreds, if not thousands, of people being in on these secrets and never telling anyone. Its just not reality.
Central means in the middle
Yeah, middle Asia.
The Middle East denotes the transcontinental area between Western Asia and Egypt.
Brown Eye Sees All
Black eye…didn’t see it!..
They have to learn to defend themselves. We tried to teach them and spent 20 years and tens of billions trying, but it didn’t work. 90+% of them were illiterate. They could tell you the names of their brothers and sisters, but couldn’t count to six. How you gonna get a military out of that?
Afghanistan is a mess. Always has been, always will be.
Just leave them alone to sort it out among themselves.
It’s cruel, but there’s only so much Uncle Sam can do.
We tried. Two decades
Wait, you posted 3x without mentioning that you know Kelly or some other celebrity. Bravo Ben, bravo!
Well I used to party with A____ G_____ but he fled the country with cars and money so I guess those days are over.
And didn’t I post about going to the W____ B____ and being complimented by P______ T______ and berated by F_______ A______.
I saw B______ K______ last night at a book signing here in M______
Well I used to party with Ashton Goggans but he fled the country with cars and money so I guess those days are over.
And didn’t I post about going to the West Bank and being complimented by Peter Townend and berated by Fucking Assholes.
I saw Buttons Kaluhiokalani last night at a book signing here in My Mommy’s House.
How did I do?
Ashton Goggans = Ashraf Ghani = wrong.
West Bank = Waterman’s Ball = wrong
Peter Townend = right. You wind a cookie.
Buttons Kaluhiokalani =- Buzzy Kerbox = wrong.
My Mommy’s House = Malibu = wrong.
1/5 = L_____!!!!
In my mind I got 100%
Your mind is at 50% – maybe – so you got %50.
Stay off the hard stuff.
Damn your pedantic bleating is tiresome https://uploads.disquscdn.c… .
I told you to fuck off @maxperrot.
Change you avatar and handle pronto.
Coco doesn’t appreciate you using her image and name.
Okay Here’s fair warning to you @maxperrot and Beachgrit :
Using the Name or Likeness of Another:
In Hawaii you can be sued for using someone else’s name, likeness, or other personal attributes without permission for an exploitative purpose. Usually, people run into trouble in this area when they use someone’s name or photograph in a commercial setting, such as in advertising or other promotional activities.
But Hawaii also prohibits use of another person’s identity for the user’s own personal benefit, whether or not the purpose is strictly commercial, without written consent.
The distinct legal claim here is your ongoing invasion of privacy through misappropriation of both Coco Ho’s name and her likeness.
Another violation is the right of publicity. The right of publicity is the right of a person (Coco) to control and make money from the commercial use of her identity without illegal dilution or non-permissive appropriation by you. You may not impersonate other individuals on the internet for personal reasons such as identities in chat rooms or other public postings.
In this situation, you are not news reporting or commenting on Coco’s activities or any other of Coco’s public actions as matters of public interest. You are using her image and her name for your own personal commercial and/or personal gain without first obtaining her consent.
There are three elements to hold someone legally liable for unlawful use of their name or likeness:
1. Use of a Protected Attribute: The plaintiff must show that the defendant used an aspect of his or her identity that is protected by the law. This ordinarily means a plaintiff’s name or likeness, but the law protects certain other personal attributes as well.
2. For an Exploitative Purpose: The plaintiff must show that the defendant used his/her name, likeness, or other personal attributes for commercial or other personal exploitative purposes.
Use of someone’s name or likeness for news reporting and other expressive purposes is not exploitative, so long as there is a reasonable relationship between the use of the plaintiff’s identity and a matter of legitimate public interest.
3. No Consent: The plaintiff must establish that he or she did not give permission for the offending use.
Personal jurisdiction carries worldwide.
I am no legal scholar, but just wondering, how do you enforce a ‘world-wide’ jurisdiction in a country outside of Hawaii or the US? If a country doesn’t recognise the jurisdiction, your pissing in wind?
In this case it’d be a permanent injunction sought prohibiting the continuing course of the wrongful action. Unless there were tangible and demonstrable money damages being claimed, the initial remedy would be an order by the court commanding the offending parties to cease and desist.
I say parties because in this case the defendants would be Beachgrit and the Pedantic Canuk, who is illegally masquerading as Coco Ho.
If seeking a court order in the US against an international defendant and proper subject matter and personal jurisdiction is established, the defendants could be personally served in their country or on their agent(s) residing and/or doing business in the US.
If a monetary judgement is sought and then ordered, enforcing the judgment will depend on whether you can find some asset in the US, or whether the foreign country will recognize the US judgment.
No matter where the defendants live or do business, if they are judgement-proof (destitute) or can’t be garnisheed or found, which happens very often, there’s slim chance of monetary recovery. In Hawaii you must renew the judgement every 10 years to keep the claim alive.
Say for example, if Beachgrit fails to remove the offending commenter’s wrongfully appropriated identity from its site after an injunction is granted ordering Drek and Chas to remove it, then they could face further civil penalties or contempt of court. Same goes for the Pedantic Canuk co-defendant who started all the trouble.
Usually, the prudent course of action is that the website owner immediately complies after receiving notice of the violation and removes the illegal content and no further legal action is undertaken or necessary.
That is of course unless the Pedantic Canuk continues to use the wrongfully appropriated identity in other further postings anywhere on the internet.
So yes.
That’s some seriousness deflection.
Too bad you have as much understanding of what you just posted as you do geopolitics.
Are you really trying to threaten BG because people laughed at you?
The problem is that nobody is going to think that is actually Coco behind the account. He is using the likeness of her overbite, not claiming to be her. Makes the law mute.
No they did it the right way. They just cleared out.
Afghanis have to learn to defend themselves or they’re gonna be stuck with the Taliban.
Uncle Sam threw tens of billions at Afghanistan to teach it to defend itself, and it was all a waste: Like water on hot oil.
Bupkiss.
So Afghanistan is run by the Taliban.
Sucks for them.
No skin off our nose, really.
Neither have I.
Wanna hear some crazy shit?
Biden said we wouldn’t see any helicopters airlift Americans from the Kabul Embassy roof like we did Saigon. Well, not only did we, we even saw the same helicopter. Namely, Ch-46E operated by the US Department of State Air Wing with the registration N38TU and BuNo 154038. In 2012, the USMC transferred the Chinook to the State Dept.
The same Chinook took part in withdrawal from Saigon aboard the USS Hancock.
Same hunk of metal is still in operation after 40 years?
Yep.
And why, may I ask is that so crazy and how does it relate to Q wackos?