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(Ancient) Blood Feud: Boogie Riders vs Stand-ups!

Who remembers the war years?

Earlier today, the former editor of Riptide Bodyboard magazine, Simon Ramsey (now a dick-swinging video game exec in NYC), posted a reminder of that oldest, and perhaps oddest, blood feud. The bodyboarder versus the stand-up surfer.

The handwritten letter to members of the Merewether Surfboard Club, and dated February 1987, grimly states:

“Another very important issue which was held in lengthy debate at our last club meeting was the ever growing influx of Morey Boogie (esky lid) riders. Now it’s common knowledge that almost every good rider at Merewether has started off on a surf mat, coolite or foam boogie board. The club realises that these surf craft are the initial stepping stone to advanced fibreglass surfboards. And in no way is the club trying to discourage young grammies (13 and under) from partaking in such an exciting sport. 

“What we don’t have at Merewether is any clearly identifiable group of young surfers (16 and under) blazing on fibreglass boards. Now, we are the top club in Newcastle and every other competitive club on the coast of Australia has a hoard of young up and coming Hot Rats. This is the first time anything like this has happened at the Bay. Whether or not the older boogie riders can realise to themselves that they are going to look pretty funny at 25 to 30 years of age flip flipping around in the lineup with absolutely not respect, Or not being able to get out the back on a nice eight-to-ten-foot day. That is clearly up to them. BUT, what the club would like its members to do is encourage any friend that is riding a boogie or surf mat to join the surfboard club and advance to a fibreglass surfboard.

“Fibreglass is Faster, M McMillan.”

Three years later, the respected, if theatrical, writer and photographer Paul Sargeant wrote the seminal Tracks piece, Will the Next Generation of Australian Surfers PLEASE STAND UP!

“There is little doubt that bodyboarding looms as the surfing issue of the nineties,” wrote Sarge.

As a call to arms it worked.

“Fuck off Lids” became a common graffiti at beaches.

It’s impossible, now, to overstate the animosity, the fights, the battles, the… anguish… between the clumsily named “stand-up surfer” and the boogie rider that last through most of the nineties.

Gold Coast BRUTAL SURF Fight - Surfer VS Bodyboarder

But what it did do was cut the boogie rider so deep he became, almost to a man (and girl), obsessed with ledges and tubes that had been mostly ignored by other surfers.

As Luke Egan says in the excellent film Holding On, “Once you had guys riding these crazy waves it was… (voice dropping to a growl) sick… to watch.”

The feud lasted well into the nineties before the ass dropped out of the boogie market, leaving only a handful of the most expert tuberiders around guiding their little foam instruments through waves that would leave the rest of us gasping like fish.

Do you remember?

Do you still hate?

Or did you swing around?

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Nick Carroll
Nick Carroll
8 years ago

Best insult delivered by bodyboarders to surfers ever:

“Footboarder.”

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  Nick Carroll

Best return to sender insult delivered by bodyboarders to surfers ever:

“Spin to win!”

f u
f u
8 years ago

Wow!!!!

f u
f u
8 years ago

lol

SkepticallyOptimistic777
SkepticallyOptimistic777
8 years ago

How can you hate on guys like Willy POV??
https://youtu.be/SCj8t_QDvu8

Ami Lost
Ami Lost
8 years ago

No comments on McMillan’s, penmanship? Quite neat but still with flow and individual style. Far from most 80s surfer types and their surfing influences, efforts and attempts. Definitely not written while listening to Celibate Rifles or Radio Birdman.

Dooma
Dooma
8 years ago

“There is little doubt that Sarge looms as the surfing issue of the nineties,” wrote Bodyboarding

mybrothersajunkie
mybrothersajunkie
8 years ago

The footwork to get back to the inside rail for a bottom turn.. mind boggler…

merman
merman
8 years ago

the other good one is when danny fuller choked out joel tudor at pipe, bc joel tudor was/is an arrogant prick. JT then decided to learn jiu jitsu and became a national(world?) champion for his weight class.

merman
merman
8 years ago

True! Chris Won/Taloa! Same guy who led the charge to fuck with locals from Palos Verdes this past winter.

m0rt
m0rt
8 years ago

A lot of the lidders at my local, which I hated for no real reason growing up, are now some of my best mates. We all hit 18, got on the piss together and just hugged it out.

Dee Walker
Dee Walker
8 years ago

Hardly see many around these days unless up/down the coast at a reef. Most are pretty easy going and have low egos. As long as they give you room to paddle and don’t paddle under you on take off all cool with me.
Sups, hyptoids, minimals, are a much bigger and more dangerous issue day to day….

turts
turts
8 years ago

I never understood the whole rift between the 2. Especially when goat boaters and stand up goat boaters (SUPs) exist. Lidders generally hate the fatter more high performance waves surfers like and most surfers don’t have the ability to tackle the ledgers boogers crave. I’ve done both for years, although I ride a stick more than 90% of the time.
Most boogers these days are all underground charges.
Most stand ups like the Inertia

f u
f u
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

At one point in the early nineties there where too many of them clogging the line up and wasting waves with their lame rides, just as SUPs do today. they where a bunch of people who didnt have the talent to really surf.

turts
turts
8 years ago
Reply to  f u

So sort of the same as the massive influx of trendies on leashless logs that started a few years back?

f u
f u
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

worse.. maybe

NEGATRON
NEGATRON
8 years ago

I’ll admit to being brain washed by the Australian surf media into hating draggers in the early 90’s.
The slate was wiped clean after witnessing one booger consistently free falling into death pits while I sat 20 meters wide doing my best to avoid his eye.

Badger
Badger
8 years ago
Reply to  NEGATRON

Having royally shit myself in Ireland, freezing to death and on a mushroom comedown, I watched some farmer boy with one diving flipper and half a wetsuit grinning get more barrels than I’ve had pints of black gold whilst I sat and quietly paddled for nothing in particular.

I found in thoroughly eye opening.

f u
f u
8 years ago

Bull Shit

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
8 years ago
Reply to  f u

Not Bull Shit

m0rt
m0rt
8 years ago
Reply to  Eddie Haiku

True story

f u
f u
8 years ago
Reply to  m0rt

maybe? but what happened to the dick dragger after the slap?? Stand up body board is what I did when I was eleven years old. Pretty far from impressive.

m0rt
m0rt
8 years ago
Reply to  f u

Absolutely nothing, Chris Won was well respected in Hawaii in the 90’s, Bruce made the mistake of thinking he was soft cause he was a lidder. I think if you rode a lid out pipe & were Hawaiian you had to know how to throw a punch. I give you exhibit A, Kainoa McGee, another 90’s Hawaiian dick dragger.

https://youtu.be/uiTI5x8gph0

mybrothersajunkie
mybrothersajunkie
8 years ago
Reply to  f u

Hahaha keep dreaming you waffle… it chris won- btuce would of sucked the blood out of his teeth and shut his fkn haole mouth

f u
f u
8 years ago

stand up boogie is for children learning to surf, end of story.

mybrothersajunkie
mybrothersajunkie
8 years ago
Reply to  f u

Yeah you win rippa

mybrothersajunkie
mybrothersajunkie
8 years ago
Reply to  f u

People that can stand up and ride like tha on a boog are exeptional. You claiming you mastered it at 11 screams ‘ i am a full of shit kook’.. like its blaring dude (bullshitometer)

f u
f u
8 years ago

when i’m old and cant stand up fast anymore you will find me in the tube on a boogie long before you see me cruising the shoulder on an SUP

Wiggolly's Paddling Style
Wiggolly's Paddling Style
8 years ago

If you can’t stand up, fuck off!

Wiggolly's Paddling Style
Wiggolly's Paddling Style
8 years ago

Oh but most boogers do know how to stand up and they choose to ride a boogieboard. They surf better than most surfers.

Wiggolly's Paddling Style
Wiggolly's Paddling Style
8 years ago

Bullshit fuckwit.

ricmatic
ricmatic
8 years ago

Booger board crisis = “should I get a blue one or a red one?”

Jocks
Jocks
8 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

You’re forgetting the flipper crisis

Jocks
Jocks
8 years ago

It is sick to watch boogers take on crazy ledges

They also don’t seem to be having the existential crisis surfing is

But then again I burn them every single time, so …

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
8 years ago

Sarge “theatrical”! Ha! Dog whistling at its finest.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Eddie Haiku

Should I have added, confirmed bachelor?

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
8 years ago

Most unnecessary

longtom
longtom
8 years ago

He found God. Surprised?

I bet he is sleeping poorly at the moment with the current fever around sexual misconduct.

mybrothersajunkie
mybrothersajunkie
8 years ago
Reply to  longtom

Theres a joke about sarge and ‘sleeping poorly’ somewhere here.. all the monsters find god.

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
8 years ago

Gremmies! Not Grammies! I’d forgive Chas for this cultural faux pas but not you DR. Sheesh. 😜

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Eddie Haiku

Typo! Auto-correct etc. I’ll leave as a monument to my laziness and inability to proof read.

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
8 years ago

My petty comment was almost posted with the word Grammie thanks to auto correct. I would have looked like an even bigger cunt. And way stupider.


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