Noted surf historian on the need to "blow up the idea of wavepool competition" after Zeke-John John Bells heat.
At Bells, the surf world had an attack of the vapours when the Hawaiian Zeke Lau muscled the world’s second-most loved surfer, John John Florence.
No one knew where to turn. Was it good, bad, ugly? Was it a microcosm of the struggle ‘tween indigenous Hawaiian and colonial white man? Or the reverse, the forever beat-down of the white man as he attempts to thrive as a minority?
I couldn’t work out whether I loved or loathed. Since I can’t formulate an opinion without some discussion of the various pros and cons, I turned to Matt Warshaw, the one-man surf history archivist. Matt raised the very good point that, whatever you thought of it, it at least gave the show a little personality.
Take it away, as will happen with wavepool events, and what are you left with?
“Fuck a level playing field,” says Matt.
Let’s debate.
BeachGrit: Do tell me, in light of the Zeke v John heat, why you believe we need to blow up “the idea of wavepool competition.”
Warshaw: Zeke bulldozing John was Bells’ best moment. Second-best was Italo going psy-ops on Zeke in the quarters, and getting the exact same result. Who knew Italo even had that gear? The little shimmy dance in the lineup when he had Zeke on the ropes, that made my day, made the whole contest. Decent waves, great surfing — Zeke ripped his heat with John; Italo did the same against Zeke — I mean, that is the blueprint. Right there. WSL should database heats like that, and figure out how to give us more. The craziest thing about the WSL right now is that they trip over the answers to their own problems, all the time, and don’t even know it. There is no crackling John-Zeke moment in the wavepool. There is no dancing-Italo moment. There is no three-minute countdown, like in the final, where everyone’s holding their breath to see if Mick can get the wave and score. You need that weirdness and tension and uncertainty. Fuck a level playing field. Closeouts and the occasional freak wave, like the one Griffin got at Kirra — that is surfing!
I wonder, by not having a Randy Rarick or a Rabbit Bartholomew or even a Brodie Carr at the tiller, instead a former tennis exec who’s never surfed, didn’t grow up amid surf culture, if there’s a terrible danger the game will lose its, I dunno, heritage?
Ian Cairns was as hardcore as Randy or Bugs, and he thought the Op Pro was gonna put pro surfing over the top, so I don’t know. Endless Summer has all the answers. Two surfers, great locations, great waves. We loved it. Surfers, I mean. And the pubic loved it too. Endless Summer was hokey and filled with a fair amount of bullshit. But it was real, too. It felt real, anyway. Endless Summer was a huge commercial success. Midwesterners got a look at who we are, got a look at what sport is really like, and they flipped! Went back the following weekend and saw it again. Endless Summer was a huge commercial success because surfers are not athletes, like other athletes, and because the playing field is so magnificently NOT level.
There is no crackling John-Zeke moment in the wavepool. There is no three-minute countdown, like in the final, where everyone’s holding their breath to see if Mick can get the wave and score. You need that weirdness and tension and uncertainty. Fuck a level playing field. Closeouts and the occasional freak wave, like the one Griffin got at Kirra — that is surfing!
And, if we can dance a little on top of that incident at Bells, did it seem to you, as it did to me, as a bold strategy yet hardly…outrageous… in the grand scheme of things? When I wrote a long-form story on Martin Potter five years ago, I asked MR how he approached surfing against the teenage prodigy. He told me his plan was to “hassle the fuck out of him and not let him get a wave and then I’m going to win.” Pottz famously stabbed Gerr’s board in a heat and, one time, spat at Rob Bain.
Rob Bain is a big lovable man. Let’s hope Martin Potter’s back hairs are silver and coarse and matted like a cheap sisal rug.
And then there’s Kelly’s play against Andy, “I love you etc.” Tell me of some great moments in hassling, historically? I imagine Sunny Garcia had feisty.
Sunny’s deal I think was more that he had the judges psyched out. He was pretty scary if the heat was close and the call went the wrong way. Judges were terrified of him. Great moments in hassling… Michael Peterson would get right up into Rabbit’s face before a heat and scream at poor Bugs. Peter Townend one year at Haliewa paddled Cheyne Horan out of a world title.
I have the feeling that if physical hassling becomes a thing again, I mean, more than the Gabby-or-Parko-paddles-you-up-the-point deal, John John might think, fuck this, and go surf. Do you have a similar feel?
John isn’t going to win 11 titles, like Kelly, which would make it easier for him to check out and be the acknowledged world’s best surfer instead of a target for world tour bullies. He doesn’t seem vengeful. But who knows. I hope we’re wrong, Derek. It’d be so great to see Zeke and John in a heat at the Box next week. I’d pay money to see John and Zeke at maxed-out Box. Whereas I wouldn’t even bother opening a new window on my screen to watch them surf the Wave Ranch.
Were you a hassler when you were sorta on the tour?
No. I was nervous and jumpy, and the only contest I won I paddled way up the beach and surfed alone.
should Kelly be allowed to surf in the event, as he has an unfair advantage , in that the pool is his private training wave , surely he has an advantage?
there is also the issue of when do you train at Kelly’s pool , and as you can’t privately train and work out tricks/manoeuvres unless there is another pool under wraps….the snowboarders for the 1/2 pipe practice all their moves on private 1/2 pipes ,so???
dude get off your high horse you insufferable snob
Maybe that’s part of the Hawaiian Culture , being a tough guy !
do you surf and know the difference between pressure from Mother Nature and pressure of competition?
Name one world champion that did not hassle and work over other competitors , except JJF?
How does bending the rules make profit for the WSL ?
it’s actually in their interests to make sure JJF is World Champ again , and not Brazilian or an unmarketable Hawaiian?
How many physical fights have you seen in the ASP WSL era, Rhetorical question …none!
It was not posturing , and was within the rules , Zeke beat JJF , because JJF fell twice , which means Zeke rattled JJF’s cage and JJ could not deal with the pressure!
Huh , spineless to hassle the World Champ that has never been hassled , c’mon get real!
Apropos of fuck-all, and direct from the enlightening interchange above, I struggle to see any correlation between the Endless Summer, ‘surfers’, and some nebulous great unwashed pubic region?! As Poh-Lin Han-Sun would say: Please explain…
what the wave pool contest wont contest, is the part where you have to be in really good shape to paddle around in the surf, and the element of luck in catching the best waves, then the skill in not blowing a good wave and surfing it well, squeaking through that tube (or not) that you had no idea was going to pop up in front of you anyway.. Once the contest goes to all wave pools, it will be a jock sport., it will be boring. I can barely watch now just because their jerseys remind me of bicyclists tights.
We seek perfection, but when we get it, we will be full of regret.
because pro surfing is nearly impossible to watch for most unless in big consistent and/or dangerous surf.
Wrong… they live in America. The only people claiming “Hawaii” should be Hawaiians. No one claims California or Florida or West Australia.
You can’t blame tennis when you make the boys players.
Any surfer with eyes can pull up to a break and sus out the few or who is dominating that day. Let the surfers surf. One of the most classic shots of all time MR with Shaun higher and tighter and deeper behind him at Off the Wall. Surfers drop in down the line gambling they are in better position all the time… Want some judge hate? Let the surfer who scores more points (edge to the surfer in better position) win the surfer with less of a ride lose his ride points to the better surfer.
Judged Sunny many times from amateur ripper to pro events.. Never heard more than any other top pro. If you’re scared get off the scaffolding…
Pete Dooley
I guess we say more or less the same, in fact. I never said I belonged to this or that, never been in Hawaii and I don’t intend to go there in the next future. I have to believe you about your degree, I’ll take your word for it, but I don’t ask for a resume. You have your point of view and don’t need to think I’m teaching you something. I don’t. I say what I think, you answer. Period. Chill out.
I’m not sure what surfing is anymore.
a business
Evidence seems clear of that: https://uploads.disquscdn.c…
wow! Darren is better at cashing in than he is at driving a ski
Money is everything right.
I dig this sort of thing — the two-up tactics are part of the draw of watching heats for me. I’m skeptical that the whole wave pool thing will be at all interesting in comparison. But eh, we’ll see I guess!
Having some matching genetics markers does not mean you have the lived experience to become part of a community, if that’s what being a “native polynesian hawaiian” would mean.
And more than that, as new studies say, “data indicated that modern Polynesians have a mixed ancestry, with
the majority of their genomes coming from an East Asian population. An
additional contribution, however, came from the Papuans that inhabit the
islands north of Australia.”
Since there is no racial categories, it would be really difficult to go beyond tribal or indigeneous communities to enlight real relationships.
That is to say talking about “native hawaiians” (or polynesians, or basque, or dakota) is simple bullshit, at worst, and at best a way to distinguish from others in a quest for identity.
DNA don’t say you’re a “native”. There are no such things as “native”. Nazis thought aryans came from a northern part of Afghanistan, and that only aryans were “native”…
Is there any such evidence? And not only for “native hawaiians”…
Remember that freesurf at 15 Cloudbreak?
You saw no drama in that?
so much fun at 8-10 foot on a bonzer
Adam Robbo!
Good grief, yelling, spitting, hassling each other, intimidating the judges, punching your own board, aggro, aggro,–seems pro surfing just brings out the best (I mean worst) in everybody, fighting over that check. Thanks, but no thanks, you can have it, leave pro surfing for the couch potato surfers as Dora said, and let their “TV (laptop) ” rigor mortis” set in.
Yeah nobody ever yells, spits or hassles in normal surfing
TV soap operas are successful for a reason… Humans crave drama, outside of their own lives of course…