Yet despite all the rage, despite the dreadful cancer of the white and bald middle-aged male surfer moments of beauty still exist 'tween man and woman. Here, post-panty raid, two human beings reflect on their profound connection.

Opinion: “Surfing on a perfumed cloud of rage!”

The rage is real, but feminism ain't an excuse for snaking…

If your boobs grow too big, you won’t be able to surf. You’re going to get fat and then you’ll be slow. Nearly every time I interview a woman athlete, they tell me about how someone tried to cut them down, tried to tell them they didn’t belong in their sport, and tried to tell them they’d never succeed.

None of this is about their bodies, really. It’s just another way to tell them, no girls allowed.

My friends sometimes ask me to write about sexism. In truth, I write about it all the time. I just don’t always call it out by name. In nearly every story I write about a woman, she’s succeeded by burrowing under or climbing over or smashing through or taking the long way around the walls that a still predominantly misogynist culture uses to keep her contained.

She’s not thin enough. She isn’t good enough. She should just work harder. She should always work harder. The bricks stack up one upon the other.

And it’s as though I write about the air I breathe. It’s ubiquitous, relentless, claustrophobic. It’s like being crammed in a box and having someone stand on the lid. Eventually, it’s hard not to believe them. Maybe I should try harder, I think. Maybe I’m crazy. But I know I’m not. They’re the ones who are crazy.

the writer argued that as the only woman, she could and should drop-in without apology. She suggested that her no-apologies approach to the male lineup served as redress for decades of surf culture shot through with misogyny.

Five days or so ago now, The Inertia published an essay from a woman about her reaction to being the only woman in the lineup. In the essay, which has now been removed, she described a session in the Maldives in a lineup peopled entirely by men. There are few more entitled lineups than a tropical reef populated by well-off vacationers.

In the essay, the writer argued that as the only woman, she could and should drop-in without apology. She suggested that her no-apologies approach to the male lineup served as redress for decades of surf culture shot through with misogyny. According to the writer, surfing’s etiquette, drummed into the heads of generations of groms by their elders, is a stand-in for male dominance. Women had no say in these rules, she asserts, so why should she follow them.

When Chas profiled Lisa Andersen for TSJ, he described her as surfing on a perfumed cloud of rage. In doing so, he saw straight through to the heart of it all. The rage is real. We cover it up in all kinds of ways.

The essay seethes with rage. And if there’s one thing you shouldn’t dismiss about this essay, it’s that rage. Behind their smiles and their hair flips, most of your women friends feel it. Maybe not all the time. But I can tell you that at one time or another, we’ve all felt it.

When Chas profiled Lisa Andersen for TSJ, he described her as surfing on a perfumed cloud of rage. In doing so, he saw straight through to the heart of it all. The rage is real. We cover it up in all kinds of ways.

If the worst thing you do with your anger is snake a bunch of guys in the lineup, that’s no great crime. Some of them almost certainly deserve it, if we’re being honest. And to be clear, there’s no reason a woman can’t regulate a lineup like a man does, if she chooses.

Someone’s getting too many waves? Play the enforcer, if that’s your thing.

But I’d ask what exactly you’ve accomplished at the end of the day. Sure, snaking has gotten you more waves and you’ve made a few men angry. And there’s likely a nice, feeling of revenge in that male anger. See, this is how it feels to be us, you say, as you exit the water in triumph.

But have you really changed anything at all? I’d argue that you haven’t.

As we all know, surfing is an essentially selfish endeavor. As surfers, we want what we want. Etiquette exists as a suggestion, an appeal to our better selves, which often deserts us as soon as we see a perfect set wave on the horizon. We froth and spit and hassle. We want our fair share.

What’s worse, we all know better. I think we’ve all experienced the joy of a smooth-flowing lineup – the one where everyone takes turns and everyone gets waves. But if you live anywhere near other people who like surfing, that experience is notable for its rarity.

Securing equality for women is a collective project. It requires changing deep-seated norms and attitudes. It requires changing a narrative that consistently depicts woman has lesser and not enough. It requires engaging the rage women feel and the reasons for it.

I’m not sure there’s an easy way to square the circle between the selfish desire we all have for waves and the collective effort that equity for women requires. Snaking all the men feels like selfishness cloaked in the guise of feminism. You get what you want, sure, but what then?

Smash down the door.

Then reach out and bring another woman across that threshold with you. Because somewhere, there’s still a girl being told that she isn’t good enough, that she isn’t thin enough, and that she isn’t smart enough. She’s being told that she doesn’t belong and can’t succeed.

Isn’t that what we should be trying to change?

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the kook
the kook
8 years ago

Very well written article!

Tom House
Tom House
8 years ago

“What’s worse, we all know better. I think we’ve all experienced the joy of a smooth-flowing lineup – the one where everyone takes turns and everyone gets waves.”

In my experience, this ONLY happens in places were only like 5 people surf, or where there are people unafraid to bark at miscreants for getting out of line. This is how it should be. I don’t ever come close to backpaddling or repeatedly paddling right back to the top of the peak because when I was a teen, a very scary man quietly but firmly told me to fuck right off when I became greedy. Lesson learned.

Molly Lockwood
Molly Lockwood
8 years ago

Unbunch your panties and read this: “Unfortunately, the nuanced message was lost on much of the audience. Surfers aren’t known for their intellectual prowess…” https://seamavenmagazine.co…

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago
Reply to  Molly Lockwood

hi. i think you’re new here! welcome! behind the goofy screen names, there’s actually some pretty well-educated people hanging around. and some complete dufuses. but we love them anyway. but maybe leading with an insult to our collective brain power ain’t the best tactic. but you know, you do you. feel free to stick around if you like. the locals aren’t terrible, on the whole.

Molly Lockwood
Molly Lockwood
8 years ago
Reply to  Jen See

I’ve been enjoying beach grit for some time. Some real gems of wit and humor from the contributors and commenters alike. The insult was directed more towards The Inertia audience, as explained in the article. If my comment came off as brash, chalk it up to a shameless tactic for getting people to read my analysis. Thanks for the welcome! It’s awesome to see a female writer on this site.

longtom
longtom
8 years ago
Reply to  Molly Lockwood

I enjoyed your piece Molly, not sure Tara can unilaterally declare surfing etiquette as a means of enforcing the patriarchy, but I enjoyed her piece too.

Molly Lockwood
Molly Lockwood
8 years ago
Reply to  longtom

I concur, it’s more complex than that. Thanks for reading!

Molly Lockwood
Molly Lockwood
8 years ago
Reply to  Molly Lockwood

After taking the time to read this article more carefully, I must concede that my original comment was a reaction to the controversy as a whole rather than an insight relating specifically to this piece. I shouldn’t have been so quick to the keyboard. So I’ll leave it at this: I maintain that feminism is *sometimes* an excuse for snaking!

f u
f u
8 years ago

Snaking is paddeling around someone and taking the priority position.
If a person backs down and lets them take it than thats their fault for being weak.
Did you mean dropping in front on someone already riding?
In that case they get pushed over or a board to the head.
If you surf well than you will get waves regardles of your sex.
It is very simple and you can make all the excuses in the world but that is all it comes down to.

DrunkenAngel
DrunkenAngel
8 years ago

Tara takes a stance against the  sexism that informs a sense of enitlement in lineups. Whether you think what she did is effective or not, to take a stance is to actually come closer as a collective against those whose actions actually threaten diversity in the lineup. She has stirred shit up … good job. This has to be done MORE.

But she is emotional! Raging! Hysterical!

A denunciation long used to try and shut women up.

Yes, some here condemn those who carry out the sexism but at the same time there is a tendency to shift focus to aberrant individuals, isolated ‘anachronistic’ beliefs thereby avoiding acknowledging that there continues a real systemic problem here and it shouldnt have to be up to women to bring this up. Again. 

I note BG got Jen to write the response up (or she did it of own accord). Jen is great at this stuff. But it shouldnt be left to her. Its not the women who bring the sexism to lineups.

How about a response where BG male staff write up what they would do about sexism?

StarJamma
StarJamma
8 years ago
Reply to  DrunkenAngel

I agree that she stirred up some real discussion, even though I would argue that her advocating to ignore etiquette will only backfire in the long run. It will be a slow change, a generational change. Some people will simply have to be no longer for things to shift.

ricmatic
ricmatic
8 years ago

Two ways to get waves..

Cauliflower ears
Beautiful smile

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

I… always… look for mangled ears.

Tomas' silky smooth arms
Tomas' silky smooth arms
8 years ago

Yes was great! I’ve always thought there is usually a reason for a persons poor behaviour. No excuse just a reason. Not sure what Tara’s is exactly but she does seem overly angry.

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago

I see some women get a lot of waves! Alessa Quizon for instance is like an angry little piggy terrorizing every last truffle out of the line up. Good Lord does that girl get after it. Many others get plenty of waves too.

I see some women get a pass. On their merits as surfers they wouldn’t get waves but sometimes by some mixture of decency and sexist patronage, the guys in the line up make extra room for the ladies. I know I’m less competitive in the line up with women than men – figure they’ve unfairly had a harder time than everyone else so why not let up a little to help make up for it.

I’ve seen women bully men in line ups where their boyfriends are alphas. They write nasty checks that someone with heavy hands covers for them.

I’ve seen women have to eat the same shit the big dogs shovel on everyone underneath them.

And I’ve seen guys who pick on women especially, only because they are women, because and they can. Dealing with aggresive misogynists must be infuriating. It makes me angry in general and murderously outraged when it’s directed at women in my life. I understand the anger.

There are a lot of different truths out there, that’s for sure. Jen does a smart job pointing out the counter-productivity of blackly broad-brushing justifications for acting out. Zero-sum attitude is the problem; recreating it recreates the problem. You’d think a person who is getting a PhD at a Peace Studies University might project a little more nuance?

channelbottom
channelbottom
8 years ago

I remember once paddling out at some inside break on the north shore, in my prime, and getting the living shit burned out of me by all these younger female semi-pros. I never stood a chance and I got the feeling they actually were doing it all on purpose to prove a point.

I retreated humbly. Never did get a wave. Hah!

?uzzled
?uzzled
8 years ago

I think you are missing the point. I used to think people were starting at me because of my skin color but actually it was because of the amount of spit that I was transferring to the joint.

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago

I think I tried to tell Chas that one day. I’m not sure he believed me 😀

Yeah — just staying true to my authentic experience and being precise in rendering it. It is not always the easiest thing to pull off.

Zach Makki
Zach Makki
8 years ago

To follow up that last comment the perfect example is how many people I know that say “feminism is stupid” or “modern day feminism is pointless” without even knowing it simply means women shouldn’t be discriminated against.

Zach Makki
Zach Makki
8 years ago

I wonder if girls like this (the one who wrote the interia article) realize that there actually turning more dudes against feminism than anything. Sexism is a real problem and articles like hers actually just gives dudes more excuses to ignore it.

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago

oh thank you! eesh, sexism! it’s like the worst topic ever to write about i think.

Otto
Otto
8 years ago

I’ll be reading this several times over again. Best work you’ve posted here Jen.
Favorite sentence: “[t]he essay seethes with rage.”

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

thanks dude!

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  Jen See

You know what? I think I have an idea….wait….no. Wait!…yeah I totally have an idea!
You and longtom must collaborate. Co-author a piece. No more he said, she said articles. *Disclaimer* — that last sentence could be better, much so, but I don’t want to lose the nearly loosed thoughts for my next three sentences about that idea.
A Jen See/ Longtom co-authored article about all this. Two great minds enjoying the same moment. What was learned through your shared passion for writing and how that could be applied to surfing.

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

Ahahahaha it would be either be amazing or a total disaster. I’m not sure which!

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  Jen See

As long as it’s anti-depressive, does it really matter?

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

Idk the editors here in the comments section are so strict!

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  Jen See

You’re right. It’s incredibly frought with dangers.

longtom
longtom
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

god help Jen if she ever gets dragged down by my nonsense.

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
8 years ago

As a grom I was told to fuck off hundreds of times, dropped in on thousands of times and paddled around countless times. Not because I was a boy or girl, but because I was a kook. It drove me to put in the time and get better at competing for waves. Women have got it tougher than men in more ways than I would like to imagine. I was lucky enough to be married to one and I also have a daughter. Both beautiful souls and fiesty as fuck. However, I fully expect my daughter to go through the same battles I did learning to surf and I won’t be fighting her battles for her. Because I don’t want her to become an entitled, bitter, hypocritical adult like the author of that Inertia garbage.

StarJamma
StarJamma
8 years ago

I do empathize with women and what they have to deal with. And honestly, it sounded like Tara’s scenario in the Maldives was such a sausage fest. You would probably get testosterone poisoning from sitting in the adjacent water. Fuck those dudes but if you’re sitting on the shoulder and you see someone taking off with priority before you, when you drop in, you’re *that* person. You’re a dick if you know what you’re doing or you’re a kook if you don’t. Tara wanted to burn some bridges, get some “data” for her research and most importantly, get traffic for Inertia so I don’t feel too bad for her or the Inertia.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  StarJamma

I doubt if there was a droplet of testosterone between the whole damn lot of ’em. Surfing the Maldives is like riding a baby half-pipe or sticking to the green runs on your snow sled.

Brutus
Brutus
8 years ago

like Kelly’s pool!

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Brutus

Oh you can hush your mouth! It’s the future! I’ve seen with own eyes!

Brutus
Brutus
8 years ago

when the dazzling lights of the WSL/Kelly pool subside , and the blindness to artificial surfing recedes , you will see the future is not pools where you actually surf worse . So we will all go to the Maldives and ride our SUP’s and longboards , hangout with grey haired nomads , drink Crystal Champagne with our mates in our 5 star boat/resorts ……or follow the future at Lemonmoore , and its Pristine surrounding natural amphitheatre !

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Brutus

Can we, as in you and I, transport back to Hossegor, let’s say 1981, before the surf schools etc?

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago

Ahahahahahahaha, that is a solid burn right there 😀

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Jen See

Yes, it was very good.

StarJamma
StarJamma
8 years ago

I’ve never been. Going to Santa Barbara is a surf trip for me. But guys are always claiming the most half ass waves and being King of Shit Mountain in a lot of spots.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  StarJamma

Oh you’re so right! But do people really see the world in amorphous blobs? Men. Women. POC. Asian. etc etc. Are we not all living souls?

StarJamma
StarJamma
8 years ago

Yeah I believe we do in a place or spot we’re not familiar with or with people we don’t know. It takes experience or training to not classify everyone outside of our known bubble as the “other”.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  StarJamma

Or do we train ourselves, in our quest to evolve, out of those thoughts? It really is the root of most evil.

Chazz Michael Michaels
Chazz Michael Michaels
8 years ago

Is it really that pish? I always thought I’d like to go. But no real (to borrow a phrase…) waves of consequence?

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

There and Sri Lanka. Might as well be in the Med.

Neah Kah Nie Pirate
Neah Kah Nie Pirate
8 years ago

The time of the straight white male is over in the public sphere… but in the elite banking sphere things will remain as they ever were.

And surfers will remain the same tools they’ve always been.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

Do you think “surfers” as a group exist, with common characteristics etc, or is the pool of participants too broad to box into one clan.

Audit In Progress
Audit In Progress
8 years ago

Too broad! Too broad! The pirate is right about the high percentage of tools though.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

Oh yes, I agree entirely with that posit.

channelbottom
channelbottom
8 years ago

I love the inadvertent double meaning of word ‘broad’ in this context.

Audit In Progress
Audit In Progress
8 years ago
Reply to  channelbottom

Heh heh… Not actually unintentional, perhaps…

Tomas' silky smooth arms
Tomas' silky smooth arms
8 years ago

Entitled tools are the worst kind!

Neah Kah Nie Pirate
Neah Kah Nie Pirate
8 years ago

Surfers exist as consumers and purveyors of a life style used to propel the real estate and drug trades… and even the sex trade. We are all complicit tools to some extent.

Tom House
Tom House
8 years ago

Wut

Wiggolly's Paddling Style
Wiggolly's Paddling Style
8 years ago

This is so right. I don’t identify with any of you.

channelbottom
channelbottom
8 years ago

We can’t identify you full stop! You probably don’t even live in Torquay but are holed up in a penthouse on McMahons point surrounded by cats and empty chocolate wrappers.

Chazz Michael Michaels
Chazz Michael Michaels
8 years ago
Reply to  channelbottom

And semen. A whole lot of semen.

ricmatic
ricmatic
8 years ago

Selfishness is our common ground.

Tom House
Tom House
8 years ago

The only thinking linking surfers as a group are our hideous crow’s feet wrinkles.

zaccyo
zaccyo
8 years ago

What’s wrong with straight white males? They got to the top for a reason, and there;s nothing wrong with being one..

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

Is there a flipside? I got a daughter and she seemed to get a free pass everywhere. Special coaching. Amazing prizes in surf contests with three other competitors. Endless positive reinforcement. Guys yelling for her to go, go, go. She tells me the only threat she got in the water was from an older gal who told she’d punch her out if she didn’t “shut the fuck up.”

channelbottom
channelbottom
8 years ago

Do you think many of these people know she’s your sprog?

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  channelbottom

Oh around here, yeah, but not in Hawaii or wherever else. Her little gang all enjoyed similar privileges. As it happens, I just had a little back and forth with Chas and he’d never heard any hassling of gals around his part o town either. Do you see it a lot where you live?

longtom
longtom
8 years ago

I see it some, at some spots, by a certain type of man.

But in this part of the world, gals is taking over. From the bottom to the top. The energy, the momentum is with the female of the species.

Michael Ciaramella
Michael Ciaramella
8 years ago
Reply to  longtom

I hear ya on the extra encouragement part, and I also don’t see many women getting “hassled” in my part of the world.

But if I’m being completely honest with myself, I can admit that I’m more inclined to paddle around a woman than I am a man, because I assume they’re less likely to catch the wave and/or act out against my poor behavior. And though I’m often right in that assumption, it’s a very bad/selfish/sexist habit that I’m doing my best to quell.

Funnily enough, if women acted more aggro in the lineup (like the first writer suggested they should), I think I would have been less likely to back-paddle them in the first place. See: Malia Ward (who learned a thing or two from her pappy)

So I hear what Jen is saying, but maybe there’s something in what the first writer is getting at, too?

@Beach_Grit:disqus

Wiggolly's Paddling Style
Wiggolly's Paddling Style
8 years ago

Fuck I would love telling the Paddle Pop Lioness to get back in the kitchen and brush her fucken hair.

Brutus
Brutus
8 years ago

she might knock you out , and make an example !

Wiggolly's Paddling Style
Wiggolly's Paddling Style
8 years ago
Reply to  Brutus

Then I’ll knock her up and end her career.

Jazzy P
Jazzy P
8 years ago

Lineups are intimidating for anyone who isn’t sitting at the top of the food chain. Whether that be a beginner, intermediate, visiting pro, non-local etc… regardless of gender. In this argument I’d say that a woman might think it’s them… it’s about their plumbing… BUT fear not ladies, the non-local bloke next to you is just as intimidated by the angry locals out back… if anything fear a little less, you’re probably not gonna get your head kicked in on the beach in you drop in.

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago
Reply to  Jazzy P

Yeah — this is a super good point. I spend a fair amount of time listening to my dude friends’ experiences. Because sometimes, it’s like, yeah, okay, this shitty thing, it happens to them, too.

Professionally, I have dudes I call up. Like hey, this is happening, what would you do? It’s a useful check.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

I like this the most. “I’m more inclined to paddle around a woman than I am a man, because I assume they’re less likely to catch the wave and/or act out against my poor behavior. And though I’m often right in that assumption, it’s a very bad/selfish/sexist habit that I’m doing my best to quell.”

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago

This is totally the more common thing, I think, than outright hassling!

The older generation can be super condescending still in the lineup which is like, bros, come onnnnn.

ricmatic
ricmatic
8 years ago

I wrongly paddled around a woman once, worst verbal I’ve ever had in the line up. My bad I admit, but the punishment did not fit the crime, she went nuts. Her boyfriend was waiting for me in the carpark, with a hammer in his hand.

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

Reflecting on one’s misdeeds is a mature move. As opposed to immaturely ending your story by refusing to paddle around that last period

ricmatic
ricmatic
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

Then I have matured
.

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

Ahhh…..foiled by my own witdumb. Should have just commented “then what happened?”. I manured that. Now I have matured.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

When does behaving assertively become sexism? Is it ok to paddle around man kooks but not lady kooks? Asking for a friend etc.

ricmatic
ricmatic
8 years ago

I paddled around a genderless body on a board (a rude stage I went thru). The escalation on my end wasn’t anything to do with the paddle infraction. It was the over reaction to it. She was a dick. Hammer armed boyfriend in the carpark saw the silliness and decided to not kill me. And here we are!

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

What were your thoughts, immediate, and just after, when you sighted man with hammer? Did you have a strategy?

ricmatic
ricmatic
8 years ago

I divided my body into half ninja, half diplomat. Shook his hand but if he had made a move with that thing, I would have fought fo someone’s end. Weapons really take any fun out of fighting, dont you think?

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

I once had a shotgun pushed into my stomach during an armed robbery and, yeah, ain’t no fun.

Chazz Michael Michaels
Chazz Michael Michaels
8 years ago
Reply to  ricmatic

If my missus came in screaming and shouting and spitting because someone had paddled round her I’d drive off and fucking leave her there.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  longtom

Do you see much of the girls-dropping-in-because-they’re-girls-and-they’re-not-going-to-get-vibed-or-smacked thing too?

longtom
longtom
8 years ago

mate, there’s a gang of gals here more likely than guys the same age to be rocking the Point when it’s ten foot.
So, no.
the swimsuit designer plastic free mermaids at the Pass will drop in all day long but that is different.

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago

I do see this. I have seen it and it sucksssssss. And it’s sucks doubly because the dudes get so angry and the lineup turns into a shit show.

channelbottom
channelbottom
8 years ago

All the female surfers I see regularly get plenty of respect as far as I have witnessed. I don’t surf a main, car park -enabled break so we don’t get too many clueless people out.
Apart from me that is.

Return of the Samsung Board
Return of the Samsung Board
8 years ago
Reply to  channelbottom

Toasters do a lot of burning if they aren’t treated right

Brutus
Brutus
8 years ago

we give them a lot of waves down here, I actually look out for them and give em waves, because if my daughter found out I was hassling chicks , now there’s hell on earth!

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Brutus

I’m thrilled the NBN is starting to work for you down there in the wilds of Torquay. Unless you’re overseas…

Brutus
Brutus
8 years ago

not yet , just one of those days

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  Brutus

“give em waves”. Umm….now there’s a statement that has lost its shine of nobility

Invasive Species
Invasive Species
8 years ago

My wife always complains that guys assume she’s going to blow the takeoff or paddle around her, just because she’s a woman. No verbal harassment, but definitely treated different. I think that’s especially a problem for longboarding though, all these mid-life learners who think they rip, plus waves so slow to arrive you can too easily backpaddle someone…

shootsthen
shootsthen
8 years ago

My girlfriend’s a good surfer, local girl, so no one drops in on her . . . except for the random, clueless tourist or the entitled pilgrim (a mainlander, usually a Californian who has moved to Hawaii and thinks they’re local). I enjoy educating these people about the consequences of burning a local lady surfer, and I am very nice about it, most of the time, depending of the safety issues involved. In Hawaii, we take care of our lady surfers but they don’t get any special treatment.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  shootsthen

Would those tourists and pilgrims also drop in on the boys? Where I live, the majority of waves are ridden while gobbling the foamy exhaust of a French/Italian/Spanish surfer. Do they behave this way because they, too, want an end to the vile male patriarchy or because the experience of surfing is so overwhelming they don’t realise their mistake?

shootsthen
shootsthen
8 years ago

My gf said that she “had the feeling” the last two guys who dropped in wouldn’t have done it had she been a male, and I agree with her, but we’re both not 100% certain. Those two guys were decent surfers not born or raised here, and they both did it undercover (one time it was evening , up the point, few people out, and the other time was on the inside bowl, so no one really saw either drop in, and they both went in on their waves). I’m nice, so I explain to tourists or people who don’t better, to make sure no one is on the wave and not to paddle for a wave if we’re paddling for it. Luckily, where we live and surf, there are few tourists in the water, so it’s very regulated. In conclusion, I have to take back my earlier statement bc generally, guys do take the majority of waves, and we try to “give” waves to the ladies when we can (ladies we know), but my gf said, often, “the waves aren’t yours’ to give,” bc you guys just paddle around and only take turns with the boys. Then we concluded that the majority of surfers are guys but that most people in the water are nice and fair, and that a bad actor can be a girl or a guy but generally is a guy bc there are more guys. Anyway, in a nutshell, I think we (guys) recognize that women aren’t as willing to engage in conflict so we try to reconcile that. Bottom line is that it is a sport dominated by men but there are women who hold their own and there are men who are lower on the totem pole. It’s complicated but I do think we make an effort to treat our women fairly. Sorry for the long rant.

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago

Oh ha ha, that’s hilarious! The last line! I diiiieeee.

A couple answers. One, I think things are changing — it’s a two steps forward, three steps back sort of dance, but it’s changing. Your corner of the planet may be changing faster than others. Which is rad.

The less optimistic thing, I’d say, is that young girls are cute and non-threatening — and sometimes that free pass can end pretty abruptly. Like, suddenly, the shit starts. If you’re an engaged dad, I’m bettin’ you’ll pick up on it and be able to help and support! A good dad goes a long way in these situations.

I would also say, a lot of times we don’t talk about this shit? We just sorta absorb it and assume that it’s somehow our fault.

The women I interview are obviously in their 20s and 30s — so have had a different experience, as have I! I would say professionally, though, man, I see some shit! I do see some shit. Two steps forward, three steps back.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Jen See

Tell me more about the shit you see!

Nick Carroll
Nick Carroll
8 years ago

Honest, I think skill goes a long way. There’s a great young surfer around my area, Holly Wawn, Holly rips and slots right in with the hotshots and everyone else just gets out of the way. She’d have destroyed those tourer kooks in the Maldives without even thinking about it, taken any wave she wanted and they’d not have gone near her. Maybe some people are a bit surprised by her skill level, I know that can be a shock for a lot of slightly entitled men when they come face to face with the great modern generation of women pros etc, like it’s one thing to see them on a WSL webcast and quite another to actually be in the water with ’em. But Holly also emanates the stoke and pleasure she takes in her skills and being in a surf zone, that seems to be very real whatever anger she may be repressing.

A lot of men out there in lineups also repressing the shit out of a lot of anger too, a lot less responsible about it than Tara R seems to be. She’s at least located it.

Audit In Progress
Audit In Progress
8 years ago

Jen over here, laughing as she drops a lit match onto the limp, bloodied remains of the Inertia.


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