If you can't ride on a Great White's back, what useful purpose does it serve humanity?

Australia’s Great White Crisis and the case for selective culling of aggressive sharks: “It is an abomination to value nature at the expense of humanity”

"Most reasonable people would agree that the only way to significantly reduce the rate of shark attacks is by killing the most dangerous sharks."

There is talk of a promising new solution to Australia’s Great White crisis.

Using technology developed for commercial fishing, standard drum lines would target the most aggressive sharks, by surrounding the bait with an electric field that deters less aggressive sharks.

Each species of ‘dangerous’ shark includes many individuals that are probably not all that dangerous. This might explain the occasional video of a placid ‘man-eater’ swimming perilously close to surfers.

It might also explain the statistical insignificance of shark attacks compared to other public health risks. After all, the number of sharks biting people cannot exceed the number of shark attack victims.

Clearly, most ‘man-eaters’ are not interested in attacking people.

So, the problem is not the species of shark, but the few aberrant individuals that give the species a bad name.

French shark scientist, Eric Clua suggests that; “Selective removal of problem individuals following shark bite incidents would be consistent with current management practices for terrestrial predators, and would be more effective and more environmentally responsible than current mass-culling programs.”

But, why not get rid of the problem individuals before they attack?

Besides, the complete removal of dangerous individuals would have the glorious effect of altering the gene pool and thus taming the species forever. Then, all the shark nets could be removed, to allow whales, dolphins and sea turtles to travel freely, without getting tangled in a net and drowning.

Some environmentalists will abhor the new method of preventing shark attacks, because they impulsively dismiss any attempt to control nature. But, they will disguise their hatred of humanity, with a plausible explanation for how the ecosystem depends on these few ‘alpha-predators’ to stabilise the ecosystem; like claiming that the occasional shark attack is a small price to pay for controlling the population of the Humboldt squid, a potentially more terrifying creature.

One way or another, humans will be sacrificed for nothing but the symbolic value of giving nature free rein. Our predicament is a potent element of their belief system.

In the meantime, we need to address the problem of shark attacks.

Luckily, there is a solution, and it is a surprisingly simple one. The problem is that politics nowadays is governed by emotional outbursts. As a result, we suffer from an overly emotional attachment to nature. This seems appropriate to the Western mind nurtured on a religious diet of environmentalism.

But, compassion is, first and foremost, an emotion felt for people. It is an abomination to value nature at the expense of humanity.

It can be frustrating when people nonchalantly disregard the horror, with flippant remarks that essentially blame victims for being attacked.

But, it is hardly worth worrying about.

People generally don’t think things through. It is the easy answer to a contentious issue. What is worrying, is when people in positions of authority, who are paid to serve the public on this very issue, fail to appreciate the gravity of the situation.

New South Wales’ Department of Primary Industries (DPI) refuses to accept the many flaws in their approach, having just received eight-million dollars to continue a program that offers next to no benefit to the surfing community.

They claim, for example, that tagging sharks helps to reduce the risk of attack, because sharks tend to avoid the coast for many weeks after the traumatic experience of being tagged.

On the face of it, this seems like a reasonable assumption, until you realise how unlikely it would have been for any of these sharks to have attacked someone, had they not been diverted out to sea. The temporary removal of an occasional shark is hardly worth mentioning.

I am not against tagging for sake of research.

Ultimately, I think the program could help to reduce the rate of shark attacks.

But, we would need many more listening stations, maybe ten times as many. However, the purpose of the listening stations should not be to inform the public every time a shark has been detected. The odd shark swimming within range of a listening station just isn’t noteworthy.

What the public needs to know is if the rate of shark detections has increased to a level that indicates a possible trend and thus greater risk of shark attack.

Dr Moltschaniwskyj explained that the rationale is moreso to remind the public that sharks are part of the ocean. So, we agree that the actual presence of the shark does not represent an imminent threat to be avoided.

Even in the Lennox to Ballina stretch, where we have the highest concentration of listening stations, these random detections would be a small fraction of the number of sharks in similar proximity to surfers at any time. My guess is that most surfers don’t bother with the service, since most of the sharks passing through the area go undetected.

If that is true, then the alerts only serve to torment people who rarely enter the water anyway, including mothers who worry about their kids every time a shark detection gets circulated on the net.

The new drone technology is impressive. But, it will only ever be deployed at a small fraction of surf spots, and for a small fraction of the time people surf. So, I do not believe that drones will reduce the rate of shark attacks.

Our most recent fatality, fifteen-year-old Mani Hart-Deville, was surfing at a remote location that is probably too remote to justify the funding of drone surveillance. There is also the problem of murky water affecting visibility.

But, on those classic crystal clear days, it is probably appreciated by parents taking their kids to the beach.

I suggested to Dr Moltschaniwskyj that the DPI might consider surveying the surfing community to find out how many people were actually using the service that notifies users whenever a shark has been detected.

I thought I was talking their language. But, there was no response.

I don’t blame her; because, in some sense, not replying speaks volumes. I probably wouldn’t reply either, if my livelihood depended on toeing the line.

Who knows what people really think these days. We are all hemmed in, one way or another. I have copped a lot of flak for speaking up. So, I generally avoid the topic. But, it is very concerning that two reasonable people are unable to communicate freely about such a significant public concern.

Apart from drawing attention to possible limitations in their approach, I also suggested that they focus on developing a model that predicts the risk of encountering a shark. It is not good enough to randomly remind surfers that sharks are a potential menace. All this does is transfer responsibility to the eventual victims: “I told you there were sharks out there!”

Besides, surfable conditions are rare. The surfing lifestyle requires taking advantage of every opportunity. So, the perceived risk only becomes relevant for a few sorry weeks after an attack.

One attack makes you wary.

Two attacks make you nervous.

It’s not very sophisticated.

A scientifically informed model would assess the risk, based on environmental factors, like ocean temperature, rainfall, proximity to river mouths, whale migration, time of day, and trends in tagged shark movements. Shark scientists have alluded to the potential for such a formula.

Ideally, all known risk factors would be condensed into a simple format that could be read at a glance: i.e. Low, Medium, High, etc. Although costly, physical signage would be more effective than an app, despite the apparent convenience of smartphones. You can’t expect everyone to be fastidious in their monitoring of the shark situation.

I think most reasonable people would agree that the only way to significantly reduce the rate of shark attacks is by killing the most dangerous sharks. Theoretically, this could be achieved with almost clinical precision using an extensive array of electrified drum lines targeting only the most aggressive individuals.

Policy makers can fret over how many sharks the electorate will tolerate being dispatched each year. But, at least they can report with some confidence that the screening process is stringent: sensitive sharks will be turned away.

Eventually, these desperately sad tragedies could become a distant memory.

To be honest, I have no evidence of this technology being taken seriously. For all I know, DPI has scoffed at the suggestion.

It is loosely based on technology designed to protect baited hooks from sharks. So, it might not be patentable.

But, I have applied for a patent, just in case.

The opportunity is lost, once it goes public.

After submitting the application, I wrote to the Minister responsible for DPI’s operations, asking that he present it to DPI on my behalf.

But, I am afraid he is also having difficulty penetrating DPI’s fortress mentality.

(In 2016, Dan Webber watched as surfer Cooper Allan got what is described on the north coast as a “Ballina hickey” from a Great White. “I was standing in waist deep water, about five metres away, when I saw a shark in the face of a wave between me and three guys sitting further out,” said Dan. “A few seconds later, I heard a shout, followed by the nose of a board sailing through the air.” He is the author of When Great Whites Take Over Your Beach and Sobering: The (Real) Odds of a Shark Attack.)

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RareSense
RareSense
5 years ago

LOL at first I thought this was written as a comedy piece … “tame sharks” LOL try that with a white pointer, sharks are not genetically programmed like that nor most of nature for that fact there is still the inherent natural instincts, we need to stop trying to humanise nature and respect and live in balance with it. Whilst I am fearful of sharks and definitely do not want to go that way, however I respect it is their domain and I am a visitor where I make the conscience choice to enter and surf for my enjoyment. I do make a choices to reduce the risk for instance, I choose to surf not at dusk or dawn and I surf when it is in my favour… visibility etc, I don’t poo or pee out there especially if I am on my own lol (I do it before I go out) also I invested in a shark guard I wear… my choice. Note I have not had any encounters to date. We need to embrace and work with nature not kill it from fear as humans in our ignorance. Unfortunately, we have been the most destructive creature on our planet responsible for countless extinctions, we need to learn to work and live in harmony with nature and use our intelligence to do so. This article is totally wrong on so many levels…. killing them will not achieve your desired effect only by killing them to extinction would achieve your result to have your few hours a week enjoyment to displace the balance in our oceans….. we do not need to control them more the point maybe we should look at controlling irresponsible humans like this author… and teach how to reduce the risks…

Dan Webber
Dan Webber
6 years ago

You are right to challenge that assumption. Interesting idea.

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago

Highlight of my BG career

(so do I get a tailpad now Derek?)

Shamus Beaglehole
Shamus Beaglehole
6 years ago

no. a reasonable logical person would surmise that less humans going into the ocean, less often, would really cut down on attacks. in fact less humans in general would solve a lot of problems.

Dan Webber
Dan Webber
6 years ago

But, if it is not going to happen, it is not reasonable.

Antipodes
Antipodes
6 years ago

Really interesting ideas. The concept of building modelling to predict the shark risk factor is doable if you can pull in and connect enough data in the cloud to train a model using AI / machine learning. If we could ramp up tagging, listening stations (more pings from more places) and combine it with user data on shark sightings, weather data and historical attack. The only downside is that once you’ve built and trained the model it might tell you that every go out in northern NSW is high risk and you still need to cull some sharks. Also if the model was accurate it would probably end up being used by insurers to load or void life insurance premiums.

Beef & Beer
Beef & Beer
6 years ago

One possible solution might be to round up juvenile sharks and look after them till they’re friendly before releasing them back into the wild to grow and breed more generations of friendly sharks.
Similar to ‘Doby’ the famous shark I saw on a very informative documentary called ‘Anchorman 2: The Legend Continues’…

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins
Derek Hynd's Missing Fins
6 years ago

Taken me 3 shits to read through this. Jesus. And aren’t we nature, too?

Tom
Tom
6 years ago

Perhaps we needed more info here but sounds perhaps valid
BUT
1) Why not just drum line the fuck out of the coast – instead of tag anymore as they obviously have fair bit info on their travels. Tow em 20km off the coast and they can eat each other.
2) That would just thin any numbers no??
3) The analogy about the ants – ants are known to learn – sharks even the most aggressive could learn to not bother with an “electrified” bait?????
4) Often comment that the juvenile and smaller units are the ones that attack more regularly as they are “learning” about their prey. So killing some juveniles may regulate numbers too??
Definitely need to thin numbers
QLD drumlined and 50-80 kms sth attacks prevalent? coincidence???

Ken-Drake La Mar
Ken-Drake La Mar
6 years ago

SO each of the 4 taggings 23 July were either a White shark or a Tiger. They were 2.5m rather than the 3.5 m shark caught and released off south wall on 21 July.
https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

Ken-Drake La Mar
Ken-Drake La Mar
6 years ago

One morning in Ballina. https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
6 years ago

(Editor’s note: Shaper Greg Webber, whose brother Dan wrote this story, was stymied by Disqus in his attempts to post a retort to various criticisms of his bro’s piece. He emailed me this…)

Morons.

You can’t even discuss the system objectively but merely jump in with smart ass quips trying to show that you love nature more than mankind to get credit points with women (And the empathetic part of your brain) which just makes you more fragile. Not one of you men would hesitate to shoot a shark through the top of it’s head if it had a mate, let a lone your own child in it’s jaws. Sit on that for second you guys. Or would you just say, “sorry my son, it’s their territory after all” ?? This system Dan describes is a very selective way of only taking out the sharks of any species that are aggro enough to fight through the electric field and chomp down the bait. Brutus you’re just a dill, isn’t surfing one of the greatest experiences humans can ever have? Isn’t merely having a swim in the ocean one of the most cleansing and even exhilarating things that people can do? Aren’t both activities, especially on a daily level more valuable to individuals and society than buying more products or posting pics for likes or watching crap on youtube? Depression is rife in the west and I’m pretty sure the ocean would do more to calm people than any drug or Netflix show (even though I love Netflix).

We need to be in the ocean more than ever, not less. And virtually nobody on the entire coastline of Australia feels the same about swimming or surfing as they did a decade or more ago. So of course one price you think we just have to pay for favouring sharks over people is just the small number of deaths and injuries and the sorrow of the people who know or knew them, but the other massive price that’s paid is that about 10 million or so beach users in this country, are now fearful of the very thing we should feel comforted by.

Billy Hunt you’re even more of a fuckwit. That is perfectly well structured, check the first three paragraphs, the entire concept is outlined very clearly, and mate it got accepted by the Spectator so it’s got to be on a decent level in that respect or it wouldn’t. Also, that’s is the whole idea of presenting the concept on this site and the Spectator, to then discuss, and see to what degree the theory applies to sharks as it does to virtually every other species of animal and insect on the planet. My god mate even sperm, bacteria and viruses exhibit different levels of aggression between themselves. Don’t you know that there is a range in behaviour within groups? Some individuals are more passive and some are vastly more aggressive. That’s what the crux of Dan’s suggestion is, that there may well be the same differentiation in sharks. Sorry mate but that’s is not “a brain fart idea”

And that’s exactly what he is suggesting you fool, a totally valid and doable test for a very reasonable hypothesis. The smart drums are already in use and exist, and the electric fields effects on sharks is also understood and also exist in numerous studies previously done, and in products for surfboards. He’s simply, but quite cleverly putting the two things together in an ‘in the field” experiment to find out to what degree a small number of sharks will rip into any number of baits over a period of time. And even further, you don’t have to have empirical evidence first in order to come up with a theory, it is quite often (nearly always) that people observe and theorise first, and then validate the theory with evidence that comes from the later studies and experiments. That’s why he wrote the article. he’s presenting a theory which actually has part of the relationship already validated, ie the relative deterrent that the electric field has on sharks.

And truly any idiot would accept that not all sharks within a species behave identically.

Here’s a simple test for you: Most people would think that worker ants of all things would have very uniform behaviours. Yes we have the queen, the males that mate and die soon after, the drones and then the vast majority of worker ants, that are all female. When you next see a swarm of ants gorging on some food left out on a table, repeatedly bang gently next to the many hundreds of individuals and watch the majority run for the hills. Add to this simply breathing on them and the CO2 and moisture in your breath will also trigger an escape response from the vast majority. (it’s obviously linked to mammals that eat ants) After 20 or so breaths and bumps you will be left with this tiny group of two or three ants that are just roaming about next to the food, either bravely or just half stoned not giving a fuck about the activity that sent 99.99% of ants back to base. You see it’s an evolutionary advantage to have a range of behaviour even in ants. In this case the nest is safe but there will still be few individuals hanging around the food and on the path to the nest, thereby maintaining and enhancing the scent on the track so that the majority can escape initially and then get back to it later without risking the entire population. In sharks, whats the bet there is a very good reason to have some far more aggressive ones born just often enough in each species.

My overall point is that theres not a chance in hell that all sharks within each species are equally aggressive and so the only things to discuss are 1. Would taking out these ones significantly decrease shark attacks on humans, and 2, Is the death of a small number of sharks more or less important than the deaths of a small number of humans. I guess we can also hope that the DPI might now hear of this concept indirectly due to some heated exchanges on Beachgrit, since the direct approach didn’t seem to work.

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
6 years ago

Can you please tell Greg
We’re proud of him for sticking
Up for his brother

But calling people
Fuckwits and dills only proves
Who the fuckwit is

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins
Derek Hynd's Missing Fins
6 years ago

Jesus. 4 more shits to get through this one.

Karl Von Fanningstadt
Karl Von Fanningstadt
6 years ago

Amazing, Greg. Didn’t read that, either. Lol The writing could use a bit (ton) of sprucing to even become half interesting or engaging. How’s that wavepool coming along, bro? Considering the braintrust trying to figure it out has met its match setting up a Disqus account, I’m seeing why the technology might not be off the ground yet. Granted, talking in circles can get you so far. And, Derek, you can just forward me his response when he’s done using the landline and can ignite the dialup to fire out that email.

Beef & Beer
Beef & Beer
6 years ago

Is webber unable to open a disqus account because they have banned him after he ripped off their investment in his nonexistant wavepool ?

Chazz Michael Michaels
Chazz Michael Michaels
6 years ago

Bloody hell. Christmas dinner must be a long winded affair.

Tomas' silky smooth arms
Tomas' silky smooth arms
6 years ago

Lost me at ‘let a lone…’ Inexcusable.

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago

Fuck … do I really need to read all that?

Can you summarise it for me DR?

RareSense
RareSense
5 years ago

I agree that education and learning of sharks is great to remove the human ignorance to the common solution of just killing anything that threatens humans instead of learning and risk mitigating the threat. The argument of aggressive to non-aggressive shark is flawed scientifically and using the “Ant” example do not hold water. Sharks, are there to scavenge and in lay mans terms play a very important role in “cleaning” the oceans and keeping things in balance. The ants response is not comparable to a sharks as they are totally different species and different stimuli that effects fight or flight responses. When you consider a shark is an apex predator that is designed to hunt or as mentioned before to scavenge to “Bait a drum” which is food for any shark in is totally flawed to kill any that eat it… really there are a lot of factors here to consider, there has been cases where electronic have not worked on drums but it makes it ok as we fear shark and it better to kill a shark than have a person killed…. I think we need to get realistic and take responsibility for our actions as the allegedly smarter animal here and risk mitigate before surfing. I surf every day and I am currently in Ballina and have been surfing Lighthouse Beach…. The only thing I agree with in your comments is that surfing is one of the greatest experiences and a lot better than YouTube or Netflix…. “Surfs up” I off for a surf… enjoy 🙂

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
6 years ago

Taming the species?
Man might be considered tame
But loves a good kill

Chazz Michael Michaels
Chazz Michael Michaels
6 years ago

I’m sure if I read this it would be a very reasonable and well presented argument, but all I hear is SHARK SHARK SHARK SHARK SHARK…

Fuck sake.

Chas Smith has singlehandedly made any writing about sharks entirely unreadable.

NEGATRON
NEGATRON
6 years ago

Could you throw us a few lines then Chazz?

Chazz Michael Michaels
Chazz Michael Michaels
6 years ago
Reply to  NEGATRON

I’m thinking about it.

Danny Doyle
Danny Doyle
6 years ago

Wow, that’s deep!

Dan Webber
Dan Webber
6 years ago

Thanks!

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago

Wow … that was unbelievably bad … I don’t even know where to start.

Besides being incoherently organised, you’ve presented absolutely no evidence for your theory that attacks are caused by a few “dangerous” individuals. You would be better presenting this as a testable hypotheses rather than spruiking another brain fart idea.

I’m not surprised Dr Moltschaniwskyj didn’t respond.

And … at least Chas can structure an argument … albeit in single sentence paragraphs.

Dan Webber
Dan Webber
6 years ago
Reply to  Billy Hunt

The paragraphs have been broken apart for ease of reading. The argument might be easier to follow in its original form, which will be posted on The Spectator Australia website today or tomorrow. I do refer to the scientist responsible for the hypothesis, and even quote from his research. https://www.sciencedirect.c…

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Webber

Can you summarise your article in 10 words or less?

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago
Reply to  Billy Hunt

Or in haiku, if you prefer

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
6 years ago
Reply to  Billy Hunt

That’s my fucking turf!
What about a sestina
Or a limerick?

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago
Reply to  Eddie Haiku

You inspire us all
But we can’t hold a candle
To Eddie Haiku

Dan Webber
Dan Webber
6 years ago
Reply to  Billy Hunt

How about this? Government department ignores creative solutions to lucrative problem costing lives.

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Webber

👍

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Webber

You got my support

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins
Derek Hynd's Missing Fins
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Webber

I prefer this BG version over the BbbbeeeeeaaaacccchhhhGggggrrriiittt version.

Doobalachy
Doobalachy
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan Webber

And they will continue to do so while shark fishing is a political hit potato, I presented a similar option/s to the WA government but labour is owned by the greens and won’t talk and the libs are gun shy after the issue could be perceived as a contributing factor to Colin Barrett losing his job at the last election.

Keep up the effort all we can do is keep lobbying government to maintain and improve what shark deterents we have and make sure the gov feels every human death.

MD11F
MD11F
6 years ago

“People generally don’t think things through. “

Ironically neither have you.

Really?
Really?
6 years ago

taunting ocean crossing apex predators from cages = people getting fuckin ate

Z Knows
Z Knows
6 years ago

Edison just released gallons of radioactive water in san-o and then this – coincidence?

Hippy
Hippy
6 years ago
Reply to  Z Knows

There are no coincidences Z

Hippy
Hippy
6 years ago

This nice story is so long that all the things I got fired up to agree or disagree with are lost in the massive text and I can’t be expected to do as much research as Mr. Webber has.

Therefore, I accept his conclusions because I know no one can remember all the opinion either.

Billy Hunt
Billy Hunt
6 years ago
Reply to  Hippy

Haha … research. Good one!

Hippy
Hippy
6 years ago
Reply to  Billy Hunt

!!!!

someone got it.

Les Grossman
Les Grossman
6 years ago

“So, the problem is not the species of shark, but the few aberrant individuals that give the species a bad name.”

Maybe this can be used to explain to these empty knuckle heads screaming to “defund the police!”

Occ Topus
Occ Topus
6 years ago
Reply to  Les Grossman

Wishful thinking.


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