Ain't there an ethical obligation to consider the kids who wind up in the jaws of nature's most opportunistic predator? The people who have to drag them in, watch them turn grey while they wait for the chopper to arrive?
The grey bodies under the sheet on a beach are stacking up and when it’s a fifteen-year-old kid it’s even more upsetting.
I was talking to an attack survivor in a Ballina kitchen this morning and the kid’s Dad was his wedding singer. It’s a small, connected world and the trauma of someone getting ripped apart in the surf ripples through it quickly.
Is there a tipping point where something gets done about it?
Or do we accept a world of increasing White sharks, more surfers getting whacked, more bleed outs, more epic battles between surfers and sharks who didn’t read the modern-day script that it was all just a case of mistaken identity and once they realised the boo boo they’d just swim off red faced.
This one came back and wanted more of the kid.
Like the one on Rob Pedretti and others.
Yet academics like Chris Neff still make tenure writing papers that say the problem is not the shark attacks but the public perception of sharks that lingers after the movie Jaws in 1976.
A more paradisical place to breath your last breath can’t be imagined.
Little half point cloaked with pandanus palms with wedgey lefts. Miles of unattended beach leading to a rivermouth. Paperbark swamps behind the dunes where brolgas dance in the spring time. The dirt road to the break winds past a lake of sweet fresh water – the town water supply – where, if you’re discreet, you can slip in for a quick skinny dip to wash the salt off post surf.
It’s an area saved from crowds by distance from the highway and mostly B-grade spots that hipsters, eurokooks and paid freesurfers eschew.
There’s a growing disconnect here between science and reality…and I come from the side of science.
Spent three years at Queensland’s premier sandstone institution in front of the lions of the marine biology game. The White shark remains a cypher, both in its abundance and even the basic biology.
Two-and-a-half metres is the size estimate of the one that mauled Mani Hart-Deville.
A baby.
About the size of the one that swooped me last year. How old is that animal? Estimates vary.
The established science states Whites are slow growing and long lived but a Japanese study found much faster growth rates and age to maturity. They age an eight-footer as young as two years old and age to reproductive maturity as young as seven for gals, half the time quoted in other studies.
Which would make the currently established numbers in the east Australasian population – a range between 2909 to 12,802 – about as meaningful as the racing guide on a fish-and-chips wrapper.
Not to disparage shark scientists but their form is patchy.
I stood in a hall nursing a brown sanga* with 200 of my fellow brethren and sistren on Sunday August 9, 2015 in the midst of the first shark crisis.
People wanted something done.
Infamously, lead shark scientist Dr Vic Pedemoors, a fine South African stud, came on the radio on the eve of a tagging program instigated by the pressure from that meeting and said local surfers were a bunch of pussies ( I paraphrase, but that is the gist) and that he expected very few sharks to be located and caught.
The fuel guage barely moved in the shark boat such was the fine fishing for White sharks found right outside the rivermouth.
Two were tagged with the opening hour.
Many more, of course, followed.
Science does not have a good handle on the White shark population of eastern Australia. Growth rates, time to maturity, fecundity, transition from juvenile to adult survival rates, seasonal aggregations have all likely got bigger than expected error margins.
That’s before we get to the question of why they bite us.
Meanwhile, by accident and on purpose, an almost ideal world for the White shark has been created. Protected in Australia since ’99, but likely, according to the supplementary material on the CSIRO population study, to have faced decreasing threats from humans since the late 80’s, bolstered as adults by increases in whale and seal numbers.
Boosted as juveniles and sub-adults by decreases in commercial fishing in NSW and the establishment of marine parks along the Australian coastline.
We’ve created a world tailormade for our old pal the White shark.
But if you create such a world, and the White Shark Recovery Plan makes clear such a world is a desirable and wondrous thing then ain’t there a slight ethical obligation to consider the kiddies and old sea dogs who wind up in the jaws of nature’s most long lived apex, opportunistic predator?
The people who have to drag them in, watch them turn grey while they wait for the chopper to arrive?
The Mums, Dads, school mates, drinking pals, girlfriends and boyfriends etc etc etc?
Is there an end state where we can say, OK, too many, let’s go fishing?
I almost daren’t say it, but it feels like we could be close.
* A dry argument horrifies me only slightly less than getting hit by a white.
It is counter-intuitive for humans to encourage the population growth of an animal that can and does kill them.
It is clear many people in Australia have a greater liking and appreciation for the Great White Shark than they do for human beings.
At the current rate of Great White Shark population growth, surfing as we have known it cannot continue without unacceptable levels of risk.
It sucks, I don’t envy anyone who loses friends and family to a shark attack.
At the same time, surfing is a leisure activity. We do it because it’s fun. Killing sharks just so we can feel safer in the water, it crosses an ethical line for me. We could choose alternate fun activity and not kill the sharks.
Da-Dum…Da-Dum…Da-Dum-Da-Dum-Da-Dum!
Thank you. Exactly my thought. Why is the question not: if we are scared about losing our loved ones why don’t we stop surfing in the ocean? Nah the easy way out, let’s go kill all the sharks cause I’m not giving up my hobby! so stupid.
dont go in the ocean, it is that simple.
Run through some long grass in Africa, you take the chance of a lion taking you down. Get close to a river in the NT and you take the chance of a Croc taking you. Enter the ocean and you take the chance with the sharks. Don’t want to get taken? Or think there’s too many sharks? It’s your time to get out of the water.
How do people come to convince themselves that the White shark is the apex predator? Land, air, sea… no animal predates like the human.
We’re killing machines. We kill animals, we kill each other, we’re killing the planet, and unlike any other organism, we kill ourselves. We kill for food, we kill for protection, we kill for sport, we kill just for kicks. We killy, baby!
We killed so many fucking sharks that we had to choose NOT to kill them!
I’m not penning an allegory for The Cull, far from it. I don’t think longtom is either. But the polarisation of this debate in the surfing community retards it from moving forward.
Don’t we all want the same: for no thing to be killed in the pursuit of waves?
We are a guest once we enter the ocean in this big world . Sharks and Orca’s are top of the food chain in a manner of speaking . Its their backyard , most people who are attacked are mistaken for part of the food chain . Sharks don’t have hands and they use there senses vibration smell feel by biting when seeking prey. Most shark species have been around for 100s of millions of years for a good reason they are the doctors of the ocean. They protect the ocean from disease eating the dying or dead or fish stocks . We kill on average 300million sharks per year for shark fin soup etc plus net them with drum lines culling due to an attack. On average shark deaths are 5 to 6 yearly world wide and we seek to cull them once an attack has happened. Sharks dont come onto land seeking to kill due to over population. It comes down to FEAR and Hollywood giving the wrong picture of these beautiful creatures. Yes it does effect our tourism industry when we hear or see on the news radio etc that someone has been attacked died. We take a chance when crossing the road we take a chance when driving our car and we take a chance when entering our ocean . You have more of a chance of being killed by a coconut hitting you on the head than being attacked or killed by a shark. We are draining and depleting our oceans so fast that by the year 2050 our ocean will be deserts. We use our oceans which cover 75% of the world surface as a dumping grown for our rubbish / food / recreation we are the animals we are the people in just 200yrs have hurt this beautiful ecosystem. Great white are protected for a reason , we should be protecting all species of sharks along with many other fish species. Final note when entering the ocean again you are a guest, don’t enter the water on sunrise or sunset this is a shark and other species breakfast & dinner time . Do your homework on the area you are entering & never enter alone.
no mate, 10am-3pm is most dangerous time to be whacked by a white.
Okay it’s unfortunate that these people being attacked are friends mates family and i would be devastated if this was one of mine . Most people who have survived an attack will say its not the sharks fault. Rodney Fox who was attacked here in Adelaide Ardroson while spear fishing would tell you . After his attack which nearly killed him he went on a quest to kill as many sharks as possible. He was then changed and become a activists for all sharks and has a museum dedicated to shark protection here in Adelaide Glenelg SA.
no one is saying it’s the sharks “fault”.
No i wasn’t trying to say it was.
At what point do white sharks no longer become endangered? How many individuals, and of what age class, are required to support a population? And … what’s driving the increase in attacks?
The true number of great white numbers is a difficult one due to their lengthy migration distances and tagged sharks found in some studies. Some coming as far as South Africa. Little is still known where they mating areas are. People in the Northern Territory have the same issues with the Australian crocodiles in some problem areas in tourism spot’s and crocodiles taking and killing cattle stocks . Big differences is these crocodiles get caged and moved to less deemed dangerous areas. Obviously we cannot do this with rogue sharks . Studies have found these attacks maybe contributed to depleting fish stocks
what studies?
The Australian government agriculture water & environment.
latest assessment of fish stocks in Eastern oz show very healthy levels of white sharks main prey.
whales and pinnipeds are close to theoretical carrying capacity.
Well that’s a good thing .
yeah. the rest of your comment is pretty much bullshit too.
Easy to say sitting behind a computer, you see little limp dick F….CK like you . Dislike anyone who makes a statement they don’t agree with ..pmsl
SES, c’mon now. Longtom isn’t responsible for your comments reading like a collection of silly environmental virtue-signals.
I got big issues with the way the Japs go around justifying their sole mandate on munching the oceans citizens whether it be whales or dolphins . This mass annual cull they carry out in the nsme of tradition is barbaric and outdated to say the least and shows they haven’t progressed much further from their mindsets so prevelant during WW2 and their barbarity extended to prisoners captured. They wonder why the world rejects them and this annual madness then they need to go have a look in the mirror. It’s sickening , and the level of state complicity in covering it all up does them zero favours . I’ve yet to hear of a single human being savaged to death by a ” killer dolphin ” or population exterminating whales but there you have it. Mankinds regression and proclivity for violence brings with it its own perils and pitfalls. Nature merely proves whose boss and evens the odds to bring balance. So long as we live in conflict across the spectrum with the planet we will forever reap the consequences of our foolhardiness. As for the overabundance of GW’s , remember your national partiality for your local version of ” fish and chips ” ?. The main source of which were the small goldies and sandsharks that formed the cornerstone of the flake and chips industry?. Your crowd fished your lot to the point of extinction . GW’s thinned out didn’t they? . They all came this way . That was until this bunch of idiotic fisherman started depleting South Africa’s stock of goldies and sands for the Oz market while yours was under environmental protection to recover from almost being fished to extinction. Weeeell guess what the GW’s just followed the food source. Studies have tied the absence of our GW’s directly to the overfishing of their primary diets which go figure are your staple ” flake and chips “. Maybe eat a litle less therof so the odour doesn’t attract them . Shouldn’t be to hard to do. Ironicly sometimes we’re our own worst enemies especially when we over exploit natures resources . Upset the foodchain and tbe results come back to bite you , literally and figuratively. So next time you enjoy a meal of flake and chips have a good hard think whose to blame for the overabundance of GW’s and the next attack victim. Us.
Sharks were here millions of years before your sorry ass. You should show some respect. They earned their right to be Apex Predator.
We just destroy because we want to have fun at their expense.
The ocean is where sharks live. That’s their home if you swim or go out in the water and get eaten unfortunately you took that risk. you made the decision to go out into the ocean and are taking risks every time. the shark shouldn’t suffer because you decided you want to go in the water. Don’t want to bump into great white either move somewhere else or try a pool. The ocean is their home and you’re playing in their backyard
The ocean is our home too. Sharks do not ‘suffer’ the way humans do and are not capable of empathy. They are automatons programmed to bite and are on a lower rung of the ladder of creation. They should be ruthlessly managed by humans with the aim of preserving human lives at all costs
Really?? I haven’t seen a person with flippers or gills. Getting into the water where you know sharks live the most usually ends up you getting bitten or eaten. Exterminating the shark that needs to eat to survive isn’t the answer since it’s realistically their home. I served in the Navy yet I understand that the water is actually their home. We’re not fish
The pool here is closed!
Chris is doing a film analysis. Nothing do to do with plicy in that clip. And his point remains true … it Spielberg’s films Jaws heightened the emotion of policy in regards to all this thereby affecting the policy-making. He doesn’t take a position in regards to shark culls etc here. So why the swipe? To bolster your own credentials by misrepresenting his argument and attacking his job?
I think it’s a false premise though and it’s far more likely that the reverse is now true: sharks have had a total image makeover and are now far more lauded and adored by the mainstream.
He should have considered that position rather than running the lazy Jaws line.
That Jaws point may have been true 40/30/20 years ago, but it’s not true now.
it was poor science and sloppy thinking from a public intellectual.
I don’t see how that bolsters my credentials, and I don’t think I misrepresented his argument. I just took aim at it as poorly argued advocacy disguised as science.
he is talking about the FILM and its context and not referencing it to current situation. So, his premise is correct in that context.
And the idea that sharks are more lauded and adored now has no credible science behind it. You have made that assumption based on anecdotal evidence, no? Where is your systematic review of the media to support your argument, since you took aim at his ‘science’ (which he was not doing in that clip)?
thats true I do not have a systematic review of the media …….I do have a long period of paying attention to it behind the statement.
I still maintain his position is advocacy not science.
since when is science divorced from advocacy? You base that on the assumption that science is or can be objective. It cannot. It is paradigmatic. It has never been separate from advocacy.
Longtom, anybody taking the ‘science’ path in an article like this is obligated to lay out some science.
How many attacks?
Are the numbers rising/dropping/static?
You do a good job of pissing on the current academic knowledge of the GWs, but you don’t even bring numbers to support your initial argument.
‘Crisis’
Other comments comparing GWs to some terrestrial apex predators is goofy.
We as humans are Apex predators with an asterix.
We aren’t the best at anything but we lucked into a big brain and social cohesion.
We’ve leveraged that on all continents to put us on par with terrestrial apex predators.
GWs are Apex predators full stop.
60 million years of ‘Fuck you I win’.
Scary as
That fear excites our monkey brains, we start banging sticks and rocks. We hurl a stone at the water monster.
As a surfer who doesn’t need to weigh shark attack against surf sesh I don’t envy your dilemma.
But banging the bones together in times of grief and anger and not bringing any solid facts to the table isn’t a recipe for success.
A couple comments whinge on about shark attacks affecting the economy.
It’s Australia, no ones not going to the beach, what other options they got?
Bigger picture, start a shark cull and get roasted globally in our new age of enlightened humans.
In the enviros eyes you lot already killed the Great Barrier Reef on your watch.
Add a shark cull to that and then you might have some reason for economic concern.
Your friends and cousins from the city might understand surfculture when contrasted with shark safety, good luck convincing some avo toast swilling NYer that you have any right in the sharks domain.
I stay these things as an objective surfer watching from afar, not subject to the threat of being made prey.
Let cool heads prevail, bring some data, change minds
Buy a Beach Grit scented tourniquet
thats fair comment.
I do have some more stats and disputation of the science to bring to the table.
also, not calling for a cull.
tbh, I think the smart drum lines we’ve got here might be the best compromise position there is.
and Tourism from New York won’t be a vote swayer in Aus in a post covid world for a decade.
You are correct you didn’t call for a cull.
I lumped your original point in with some of the reactionary comments looking do culls and protecting the economy.
I picked a NYer for reasons I can’t recall, probably just because there are lots of them.
But me thinks I was right about bad press surrounding killing sharks.
I have a hunch that due to the article shares, that the shark people have arrived.
The comments have gone from surfers talking about the two sides of the shark problem, to straight shark love.
Kill em all
Kill em all kill animals humans rule
Let the Australians have great white shark fin soup for breakfast lunch and dinner
Stay out of the ocean you cry babys 😂🦈 💀and grow some ball’s🏀🏀
I live in the Sth Australia last week a 18ft whitey was arm length from me as i waited for a wave ..walked on water to the rocks!..but he wasnt hungry so left me alone ..cunt could’ve eaten me twice before i saw him..Its all luck and how hungry the bastards are..get over it fools its there kitchen table not ours we just visit..
I like the idea of tourniquet – got the leash one however too ungainly in water to wear as a leash.
i take it onto beach but be a struggle to get hit – crawl to shore drag yourself to where it is stashed – you’d bleed out before got to it
However i guess if someone else got hit it could help
Massive seal in lineup here yesterday – i surfed solo in a rip bowl that was murky as fuck – got out because just didn’t feel right!!!!!
What is the actual fine for landing a GWS? Night fishing? Salty fisherman who don’t give a shit about senseless animal rights laws? There must be a way to cull them undetected if it’s such a remote area!
I bought my friend in Perth a tourniquet and made him promise to bring to beach on every surf session. I worry constantly, it’s not the same as GWS in California.
WTF Australia? Why are you so keen to protect man-eating sharks?
They reckon that the scent from a dead one will drive the others away, its like urban legend that fishos in south oz used to kill one if they were getting too pesky