“Women are crushing big-wave surfing… ”
A British academic has lit up Twitter with her posit that men and women are separated in sport only because men are terrified they gonna get beaten by the gals.
Posted a few days ago, Dr Sheree Bekker’s twenty-part Twitter thread has snowballed 2130 comments, 18.1k retweets and 43.3k likes, ok by Instagram metrics, phenomenal on Twitter.
Click here to read the whole thing, but here are the main points, edited et.
On the history of (the segregation of) women’s sport
I have been hearing more and more frequently the narrative that women’s sport apparently exists as a ‘protected category’ so that women can win (because on this account no woman will ever win again without this protected category).
This:
a) is not the reason why women’s sport exists as a category, and
b) it is not true that no woman will ever win again.
This narrative is also profoundly paternalistic and keeps women small.
I wanted to unpack this a little:
A. It is important to know that women’s sport exists as a category because the dominance of men was threatened by women competing.
We see this over and over again in the history of sport:
Women’s inclusion was on the terms of those in power. They didn’t want women ‘taking opportunities’ away from men so they segregated women.
It was never about a benevolent (still sexist) aim of supposedly ‘giving women a chance to win’.
It was about control.
And the narrative (B) about women being inherently physically inferior to men?
Concocted as a reason to segregate us without threatening masculinity.
There are once again greater fears here that women may start to challenge men’s dominance more broadly.
Indeed we are already starting to see this:
Exhibit B2: women are crushing big wave surfing (in 2020 Maya Gabeira surfed the biggest wave of the year in a record-breaking feat, Maggie Mertens explains here why you wouldn’t have heard about her feat).
Sport isn’t inherently gendered. We manufacture strict binary gendered differences, and then we naturalise them. Understanding and interrogating this helps us to understand the panic and fearmongering around women’s sport right now, and where we might go next.
I’m on the side of Bekker, as you might imagine.
Two months ago, I gave hell to the WSL when it refused to throw the best girl surfers in the world at epic Pipe.
Proof, I believed, that the chauvinism so rightly hit with the spotlight in Girls Can’t Surf hasn’t gone anywhere; that when the waves are perfect, the girls are given the revoltingly slimy end of the stick, so to speak.
“It was a fucking joke and a disgrace to all equality in sports pushes ever,” one top female pro told me.
The opposing argument is that female dominance over men is a fantasy, proponents pointing to the sudden rise of Lia Thomas in women’s college swimming and to the time a has-been German tennis pro, rated 203, smashed hell out of teen superstars Serena and Venus Williams, back to back.
Where do you stand?
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I’ve watched the WCT women surf at the same place, same day as the men. It completely disproved Bekker’s thesis. https://youtube.com/clip/Ug…
I’ve watched the WCT women and men surf at the same place and on the same day. It completely disproves Bekker’s thesis. <iframe width=”560″ height=”315″ src=”https://youtube.com/clip/Ug…” title=”YouTube video player” frameborder=”0″ allow=”accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture” allowfullscreen=””></iframe>
Dr. Dekker is hopelessly deluded.
If women are so capable of challenging male dominance in sport, why do they keep getting oppressed by men in this way? Why must they concoct such silly theories to make sense of it all, when they could just go out and dominate the men?
What Maya did is impressive, but she isn’t competing against men, she’s competing against the raw force of nature.
For an academic, Dr. Dekker should be more aware of fallacies of false equivalence.
And most male divisions in surfing are actually “open” where a female can enter with no issue.
Doesn’t go the same for the guys wanting to enter women’s events…. I wonder why?
Trans athletes allowed to compete against women is fucking outrageous. The end.
probably…
Can I want women to thrive and succeed, but also not want to watch them playing sport?
Epic!!
This is exactly what I’d tell someone if I wanted to watch them get the fuck knocked out
i made a living selling egg salad sandwichs at the beach late xx century…
Feminist trolling. Go burn your bra somewhere else.
Look at 100m or marathon. Quantifiable and unquestionable.
Potentially some of the gymnastics disciplnes and ultra martathon might have female champions in mixed gender. The rest: nfw.
in a token comp say olympics many women clock better times than many males in athletics (100m ‘n stuff)…
I ran a faster 100m in high school than FloJo did when she broke the world record. I wasn’t even top 1,000 boys in the US in that year.
… over 1,000 other kids ran the 100m in under 10.61s in the United States in whatever year you ran it? Because no.
The fastest HS boys 100M time ever recorded is 9.98. Competitive times in HS boys track and field are <10.6. I ran a 10.56 at the Divisional meet in 1993 and finished off the podium. The current CA HS boys record is 10.2, By my memory, FloJo ran a 10.7 in ’88, she had some quicker times, but they are asterisked due to conditions.
All lined up for you to see here:
https://boysvswomen.com/#/
Epic. Thanks for the infographic.
Not sure where you’re seeing 9.98. The current world U18 record is 10.15s.
At the time a 10.56 would have been one of the top 20 U18 times of all time in the US. Since World Athletics lists up to 10.56s, there should be 3 times listed from not just that one event, but that one race.
There’s not.
There were 3 faster worldwide times ran in 1993, so your 10.56 would have been the 4th fastest time an U18 ran that year. In the whole world.
Official times vs. unofficial times.
There are parameters for official records.
Matt Boling ran a 9.98 in 2019. There was a 4.2 mph tailwind, so it didn’t unseat the current record.
The top three place finishers in CIF in 1993 were 10.43, 10.49, 10.52.
Theoretically, if I’d ran my best race I might have been able to place 4th at finals, but I doubt it- it doesn’t work like that. My 10.56 was unofficial and 1/10th+ faster than my normal time range, but I still didn’t place high enough to advance to Finals. We’re talking the difference of a couple of hundreths… light tail wind, 1/4 step, angle of lean difference… so many nuances. Hundreds of CA high school boys were in that range my years running- only a select few had that extra half step, consistently. None that I recall became Olympians.
The point in all of this stands, regardless of the granular details. A maturing male teen athlete who is a competitive sprinter, is faster than the fastest, fully mature, professionally trained woman on earth. Men and women are fundamentally, physically different- men who appropriate womanhood and compete in sport against women, are abusers. Period.
…but what gender you identify?
Male lesbian.
It’s good.
Because it’ll become a useless tool only used by useless tools.
Wait…Keala Kennelly is a British academic?
I stand behind the women
Sometimes I kneel behind them
Other times I lie on top of them
Or better yet, I lay under them
Lia Thomas is coming to surfing and every other sport, just a matter of time before my 9 year old girl competes with a boy in jiu jitz. Woke will eat us all, including the woke.
Wake me up when they all gogo.
https://uploads.disquscdn.c…
It really takes balls to do what Thomas did.
This stuff is pushing me deep into a heavy bout of Quordle addiction…
Why does nearly everyone have Parko badges?
Should be “Don’t drop in on me Parko” badge
I want a Porko badge!
Maya was towed in. So we need to ask about the gender of the jet ski, to be consistent with the premise and claim.
Can we get a t-shirt that says “Maya was towed in”
I have a major crush on her. Have for years. Full respect for and to her. She’ll go bigger before it’s all over, too.
She’s a cool cat, too, interviewed her once on the way back from the hospital after dying, temporarily, on the beach at Nazaré.
Who isn’t cool on morphine?
and, who isn’t cool when you’re on morphine
Even Frank would seem cool.
Did you offer mouth to mouth?
Cock to mouth
An easy crush to have! I realize there are a few, possibly on BG, in the civilized the world who don’t want women to be successful in life, sports, etc which is tragic. I dated a few top 30 world cup ski racers and division I tennis players back in college and for a few years after school. Love everything about world class athletes but mostly their drive so seeing anyone find success in sport, business or whatever is a big positive in my world.
So many layers.
It uses thrust, but also sucks
It’s truly non binary!!!
She’s gone from suck to blow…
Can you see your joint?
https://youtu.be/IY8BHSPhv90
I don’t stand anywhere. Just open the doors wide, let the women in alongside the men, combine the prize purses and let them all compete together. The results will end the debate one way or the other.
Same with all sports, no more bifurcation in swimming, surfing, golf, gymnastics, basketball, ski racing, boxing, lacrosse, etc…lets go! I could care less who wins and I look forward to the show so lets eliminate any mystery! Seeing men get destroyed in certain gymnastics events will be fun to watch…
Grab the popcorn
yeah, some sports women will dominate. Others, men will dominate. Others might be down the middle.
What would be more interesting would be where the girls/guys go after seeing this in play for a few years. Guys might shy away from girl dominated sports and vice versa. Then we’re back where we started!
This is all I got. Others?
https://youtu.be/CyFxPZUiJMI
Brave!
Imagine the judging cry debates though. Imagine Brazzo Feminists in the comment sections.
Lia Thomas agrees with the above statement https://uploads.disquscdn.c…
Very talented, secret ingredient Spam?
Liberal tears.