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Joe Rogan (left) and surfer Shane Dorian.
Joe Rogan (left) and surfer Shane Dorian.

MAGA-leaning surfers made sad after Joe Rogan calls them “dorks”

"But as soon as you have a team and you allow anybody to join up, you don’t even have tryouts for your team."

The euphoria that so recently pulsed through MAGA surfer veins, from Huntington Beach all the way to Cocoa, has been diluted of late. But it seems only yesterday that Donald J. Trump was swept into office with much wind behind back. Right-leaning surfers thrilled with the prospect of a fixed economy, no more foreign wars, freedom of speech and lame pronoun-using wokesters kicked to the curb like dorks.

My how the gusts have shifted.

Dour economy, developing quagmire in Iran, speech fettered and MAGA bros lumped right in with the non-binary left by none other than Joe Rogan.

The toughest of days.

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Teeing off on Thursday’s program, the Manosphere Godfather declared, “Like first of all, America is great. Make America greater, I’m down. But make America great again and then it becomes a movement of a bunch of f–king dorks, because a lot of them are dorks. A lot of them are these really weird uninteresting, unintelligent people that have got something they cling to, and there’s a lot of people that are just real genuine patriots, and they’re all lumped into this one group. And you’ve got to accept the dorks, too? F–k that. Like the concept of making America great is a great idea. But as soon as you have a f–king team and you allow anybody to join up, you don’t even have tryouts for your team. So you’ve got a bunch of f–king dips–ts that are running around spouting out opinions and you have to go along with them because they’re MAGA.”

Ouch.

Vice-President JD Vance tried to soften the blow, sharing, “I think we have many, many fewer dorks than the far left, but everybody’s got some dorks. We love our dorks. We love our cool kids. We love anybody who wants to save the country.”

But the sting remains.

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Question, I suppose. Who does have more dorks? Right or left?

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Tom House

Pretty insane that to JD anyone who isn’t MAGA is far left.

Keith Grace

Rogan was and still is the absolute uneducated, ugly-American, insecure, KING of the Dork Team. His herding of American male sheep – not to mention the sheep including some of my former surf heroes – back in the spring, summer, and fall of 2024 remains one of the most disorienting, delusional horror-show observations of my life the last 52 years. Of course their emperor would have his clothes fall off – for about the 100th time in his heartless and brainless fraudelent life of shallow power. And OF COURSE Rogan was going to sell out these people he sucked in, via podcast propaganda to make money off of from Spotify and the successful peddling of various pathetic products from the male inferiority industrial complex. This all makes perfect sense. The story of America is a living breathing document that never ends (well, hopefully not, but these days…)

Kids on the men’s CT from the Southern California, MAGA home-schooled, selfies-with-Andrew Tate-make me a man, silver spoons crew are an intersting crew. I’ve always tried to put this aside and root for them anyways. Rooting against them is hypocritical. But lately, aside from their amazing talents on a surfboard, it’s hard to take them seriously. I’m giving it the same effort starting with the Oz leg of the tour in coming days. But this time, it will be harder. Looking forward to more focus on the women’s tour for sure. The dork team Rogan has now sold out has much less of them on the women’s tour… right?

Mike

Dork solidarity ❤️

Waterproof Polo

Not much more “dorky” than being guided by an ideology or tinpot political group without thinking for oneself. Or by a 5’5” comedian who isn’t funny gaggillionare podcaster for that matter.

Whitefolkswithdreadsarefunny

Whichever side started the “war on drugs” or came up with “trickle down economics”, “freedom fries”, “space force”, “department of war”, elected a rapey pedo and allowed both polio and measles to make a comeback in the last 2 years……probably team dork. Is Iran a democracy yet? And if not, can we get a date when it’s gonna be safe to travel there?

BograilCutback

Imagine making politics your personality?

Dork material

deeks

👆 Haha pin this !

Chief Hot stuff

They could build a dubai canal with all the slaves in about 3 weeks with jordys pout in charge. Just like the old days. Avoiding the straight of hommus

Happy Camper

You’re killing me, Smalls

deeks

What’s with Dorian and the flannelette shirts ? Is he sponsored by Kmart ?

Snowbored

Cal ranch.

Mapski

Which one is Dorian?

deeks

The one with featol stem cells oozing out his ears

Keith Grace

Thr other guy spewed the on-air ad
to dupe Shane to buy the stuff.

Snowbored

Regardless of right or left leanings , if you listen and watch Trump, Hegseth, Bondi, Patel, Noem, Vance and Johnson, speak,and can’t tell that they are lying, deceitful, and just plain bad people, well then you are a dork. A dork that has no common knowledge of human nature. The type of dork who gets ripped off by used car salesmen and Nigerian phone scammers. In Otto’s case, he has long given up surfing for trying to convince himself and others that no matter what bullshit he’s bought, it’s a good thing.
Carry on.

pipspuss

Spot on

NEGATRON

I have given Otto & HC a chance or two to try and understand how they come to their worldview and have listened/read some podcasts or websites they have recommended.

Otto and Triggernometry. The guest was mildly retarded, but the show and its hosts are fantastic and I now cherry pick a few episodes to listen too.

HC and The Dan Bongino Show. I understand now what its like to take it up the arse from Trump while saying thank you daddy.

Happy Camper

Oh, I’m sure you knew what it’s like to take it up the ass way before Trump came along.

I heard something great the other day from one of your messianic lefty icons……Jimmy Kimmel.
He was ripping on Markwayne Mullin and how much of a loser he is….beacuse he was a Plumber, before he became a Congressman.

I can imagine how Bongino offends you and the left as well…blue collar family, former NYPD officer, then served his country as a Secret Service Agent and ADFBI.
Yep, sounds like a guy who enjoys taking it up the ass, eh?

Love the left. “I’m for the working man. I have a degree from Hahvahd, and I read a lot of books and I’m so smart and I’m a celebrity, but I can’t figure out how to fix a toilet….”Ohhhhh, Piss boy?”
If it wasn’t for toilet paper, your lefty icons would have you on your knees licking their asses clean.

Com Turren

you’d think there would be more material to ridicule Mullin over in terms of his MMA “career” he likes to tout, but that was so short-lived and so utterly bush league that there’s really not much to talk about

Happy Camper

I reckon you go 3-0, why do you need to continue?
I love how the lefty intelligentsia despises the people that actually keep them alive. Imagine the world without plumbers….and MMA fighters.
It wild just be a world of stinky lawyers.

Brutus

lefty’s usually are/were tradesmen…….watching the rabid right and the loony left…..lines have become blurred …..now we have a world led by the USA…hows that working out?

Happy Camper

“were”

Snowbored

Stinky lawyers? Pam Bondi?
Smells fishy.

Happy Camper

not a fan of Bondi nor all the lawyers in congress, so bad argument.

Snowbored

Whew. Okay. I was really worried about you there.

Snowbored

But your man Donald sure is a fan. Since she’s a patsy in his Epstein cover up.

Happy Camper

Donald actually wanted Gaetz, but settled for Bondi.
Gaetz would have been way better

Hippy

2 predators much betta

Happy Camper

proof? evidence?

Happy Camper

There is no “cover up”. “Epstein Files” is just another Russia hoax to distract you. SQUIRREL!

Snowbored

If you are in the hospital, how does a plumber keep you alive?

Happy Camper

Pumbers are the people that ensure hospitals have “clean” running water Without plumbers fecal matter in toilets would back up spreading bacteria throughout the hospital, causing infection and disease.
when was the last time you went to a hospital where you had to run out to use an outhouse?
Plumbers are a vital part of worldwide infrastructure which have extended the lifespan of humanity by reducing spread of deadly bacteria and disease. Ever hear of hepatitis?

Snowbored

That’s a good point. However, I would contend that modern day plumbing is not exactly what is saving your life if you are in the ICU. It’s medicine, science and health care. All of which are being tossed to the wayside by he current administration which is much more supportive of Billionaire Business than the average blue collar plumber Z

Happy Camper

Cool. Next time your toilet goes to shit, call an ICU Doctor to fix your toilet. Medical science and health care are about avoiding and managing risks. fucked up sewage and dirty water is a huge risk to health.

How do you explain majority of blue collar voting for Mr. Trump? he made his billions in the blue collar world.

Hippy

You good HC?

Happy Camper

All good Hippy. Thank you!
NS is pretty messed up with the clean up process. waste piled up at the roundabout,Haleiwa, and water/beaches is pretty nasty.
They’ll get through it but a pretty big clean up process. Talked with some of the boys and they’re doing their best to assist. Strong community.
Glad I moved to town. We got our share, but nothing compared to NS.
Praying for all of them. We just dropped off a bunch of food, hygienic and household stuff and clothes.
If anyone wants to assist, reach out to One Love church or JOB. Both are busting okole to bring aide, comfort and relief.
Don’t trust those “organizations” that are raising money “to help”.

Excited to meet up with you, Otto and hopefully Com when I get to OC in July. that’s gonna be fun. Stay blessed.

Snowbored

Apparently he has made even more billions since he has been in office . Via sketchy stock trades, bible sales, meme coins and numerous other nefarious deals.

Fergo

Gas fitters( some plumbets) ensure your anaesthetic gases are delivered if you need surgery.
Specialist technicians managing all the advanced imaging machinery.

Snowbored

And, don’t forget the framers and masons that built the hospital. The bankers that helped finance it. The tile setters, Lawyers, CPA’s, excavators , Etc. etc. etc.. this game could go on forever. Just don’t forget the Doctors!

FL Skunk Ape

I come from a family of steel mill workers that were all solid D. With the offshoring of this, they got left behind with no solid plan on retraining into other trades turning their area into the rust belt. This was a huge catalyst into trump getting elected. Unfortunately as we see, these people could give two shits about the common man – same as always.

Happy Camper

agree on offshoring, but my son’s an electrician and he does amazing well, financially. The President os trying to bring back U.S. mnaufacturing and in some cases his plan is becoming quite effective.
One of my good friends used to own one of the largest steel manufacturing companies in the U.S. Shuttered under Obama.

FL Skunk Ape

No doubt he has been trying, but no results. Actually manufacturing is down. It was down in the last bit of his first term pre-covid and it is down now. End of the day, labor is the biggest outlay for any company. If your are CEO of ABC company, where you looking to boost profit? It’s cheap labor. Asia and CenAm. It’s as simple as reading the labels on your clothes.

Happy Camper

Yeah, agree on the cheap labor/cheap quality thing but he’s been there 1 year trying to undo decades worth of fuckery.
I know you aren’t into the President, but for now he’s who we got and I’m still hopeful. Call me an optimist. Call me an American.

hey thanks for asking about my family and being concerned with the situation here (in a previous post). NS is truly a tragic situation, but since I was growing up there, the State and developers stripped away all the natural flood hindrances. All the houses built on the hills, stripping the foliage, leveling our cane fields and cramming so many homes and business into that community without upgrading infrastructure created this catastrophe.
I lived there for a long time and have been through many similar storms, but the devastation was nothing close because we had natural deterrents, and many less people affected.

I read a book by Tom Robbins that described an Indian tribe that moved from the Bay Area and became cave dwellers in the middle of nowhere, after witnessing the 1906 quake. They surmised that it wasn’t the Quake that killed everyone, it was the buildings that fell on them and fires burning the city. That just came to mind.

Stay blessed.

FL Skunk Ape

Actually he is in year 5 going on 6 with 2 years of an R house/senate (4 total) with no other term left, so there’s not many more excuses from my POV. There is nothing left on the line for trump – he’s done in 2+ years and likely before that if the chambers switch. Invoking ‘Biden’ is simply not an excuse, and frankly I find it highly anti intellectual. trump has never cared for anything other than $$$$$. He’s no different than the bankers that fucked everyone over in the housing crisis.

I’m genuinely concerned for you and hope all is as well as can be for you and your family. I want/hope/wish nothing but the best. There is no amount of pol BS that would ever separate my care for another human especially one dealing with what you have gone through. I wish you well and sincerely hope all is well as can be.

End of the day, unchecked development creates these issues. I know ‘Regulations’ is the bad word and I am not a fan of regs, but this kind of shit that you all are experiencing is why certain regs are in place. These ‘regs’ are costly to developers, so obviously they want to argue their way our of them as much as possible. We know some regulations are stupid, but not all -which is why I did like trump’s ‘for every one new reg, you need to remove 2’ policy. We need to wade through the BS and get rid of the nonsensical regs but hang on and enforce the ones that make sense so that you don’t unnecessarily have to deal with this. Much of what Hawaii is experiencing could have been mitigated with proper planning.

Happy Camper

well said, and I never invoked Biden. I am an equal opportunity disliker.
I don’t like either party and personally believe congress is the problem, D or R.
If the first two years of Mr. Trumps first term had not been occupided by the constant Russia Russia Russia hoax, I think he would have accomplished a lot. The last two years of his first terms were Dems in Power, and they were occupied with Impeach, Impeach, Impeach.
Just my opinion.
100% agree on regs. Bigest problem in Hawaii is all the corrupt politicians regulate on behalf of the developers and unions.

FL Skunk Ape

Agreed – the issue lies within our two party system. D’s can’t get their heads our of their asses with the consistent infighting. Ever since the Citizen’s United ruling, the power has been largely taken our of our hands and given to the corporations such that the candidate with the most money usually wins.

I think it’s beyond time to put a cap on campaign spending. Each candidate gets x amount to spend and that’s it. Maybe that is one way to help ensure we get higher quality officials elected – more merit based vs money based.

Tom House

Why would we despise plumbers? The fuck are you on about? I don’t want someone whose only education is a plumbing apprenticeship as a cabinet level official that doesn’t mean I hate plumbers.

Happy Camper

ask Kimmel. he’s the guy that and the comment.
George Washington was a surveyor before he became President.
Personally, I’d prefer someone who has practical knowledge instead of a bunch of corrupt attorneys and lifelong politicians who never succeeded at anything other than lying.

C’mon Tom…throw me an insult. Call me a name. it’s all you got.

Chief Hot stuff

Bongino dissapointing.

NEGATRON

Bogino does offend my sensibilities with his overbearing manner. I’m smarter and louder than you therefore I’m right. His background and credentials I respect. Can’t comment on, nor do I care about his sexuality.
As for Jimmy Kimmel, I’m sure there’s more context to that statement, but I don’t care enough to look it up. That’s actually the problem with the left, there’s no messianic left icon. Damn shame.

Brutus

lefty/righty….have you ever considered they are both wrong and answer lies somewhere in the middle?
for magas now flailing at trying to remember what they stood for/voted for….and reality has delivered a nightmare…..so the left and right keep attacking each other…no-ones listening just reacting to the other!

Hippy

YOU support MAGA policy.

Snowbored

At this point, it is painfully obvious that MAGA is not about helping the working man. Unless you that man’s job is to “withdraw funds”.

Happy Camper

I disagree

Keith Grace

… the thing is Danny B has completely sold out the “blue collar family, former NYPD officer, then served his country as a Secret Service Agent and ADFBI” people in the U.S. … that is the precise reality we are all experiencing whether we acknowledge it or not. You can’t deny that, right? And before this is turned into a classic 2026 what-aboutism string of replays – YES, “both sides” sell out those they represent on rotation. It’s the history of American political power.

Getting back to the topic Chas gave us here, observing Rogan do this to his worshippers is just hilarious…. the one example of the sell-out I suppose at least not putting this country into a war for the next 10 years and global economic chaos…

Happy Camper

How did Bongino “sell out”?
I don’t listen to Rogan much, but do know he’s more left leaning on most issues. we all have our opinions. Rogan was a tv host and comedian who does well with his podcast, but I don’t consider him the end all be all of knowledge and policy.

Hippy

“Left”?

Holy fuck, you’re being herded right

Happy Camper

“more left leaning on most issues.”

Keith Grace

He basically went from “release the files now” to “nothing to see there” with Patel and Bondi.

belchfire

Imagine typing all of that out, reading it back, and still thinking, Yeah, this makes me look like a stable, rational person

Happy Camper

what is unstable about my response?
It’s just a differing opinion than yours.
you are obviously unaware of the “Piss Boy” reference.

Tom House

lol, Kimmel isn’t left. He’s a normal liberal. You guys don’t even have any idea what reality is. Leftists want to confiscate property and lean towards a command economy. Kimmel just has empathy so you think he’s a radical. You fuckin dork.

Happy Camper

Hey House,
can you explain why you can’t make a comment without an insult?

Hippy

Like the toilet paper Trump used to recover from his ear “gunshot” at the national convention? All the advanced plastic surgeons in the world and the doctor that saved his life after the minor graze all concluded that a piece of toilet paper would be sufficient covering during a live event.

Happy Camper

…annnnnd…what does that have to do with my comment?

Chief Hot stuff

Correct and correct

FL Skunk Ape

I agree with a lot of the positions of what was once maga. Less gov’t, lower taxes etc. etc. The one thing I hugely disagreed with is the person elected to reach these goals (plus i cannot stand ultra evangelicals which are diametrically opposed to our guaranteed freedoms). That’s really my divide. trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone but trump. His net worth has skyrocketed. He’s a fucking conman and his only care are the amount of zeros in his bank account. That and fucking kids.

Brutus

yeah everyday we get up here in Austrlia , and wonder ….”hows the war going?” everyday for the last 30 days everyday gets worse as trump won’t backdown and he’s playing in to the hands of the iranians…….and we are having our daily lives affected short and long term from BS/War….fuck 1 in 3 Australians now hopes Israel/USA lose….50% of Americans now believe the war was started , so the epstein files would not become public….so yeah trump and his band of ineptness just keep spiraling the USA down , and taking us all with him on his delusional ride!

belchfire

He can’t back down he is fucked!!! If he does without opening the straights everyone will know he is full of shit and boots on the ground is the forever war he has campaigned against for the last 15+ years. he needs a deal where the straight is open in some shape or form or he is cooked and we all pay the price.

Brutus

it’s we who pay the price….show us the epstein files so we can all see who trump really is and not the false taco we are all experiencing…..collapse coming??

Hippy

Trump is Bibi

And you support Israel

Hippy

Trump and Bibi are the same. You support them because you know a shaper in Tel aviv.

Beef & Beer

Rogan seems to misuse the term ‘dorks’ here.

He squeezes in a single ‘dipshits’, which is appropriate for the left.

But neglects to use the more correct ‘dickheads’ to describe the right…

Brinewashed

*politically correct

Brutus

maybe toadstool head might more representative …as taco’s…ah stormy…ha….LOL

Picard Madeoff

Chas you know the answer to the Q but I’ll share my thoughts just the same. The far left and far right(MAGA) have an equal number of dorks. But MAGA doesnt wear pouches around their waist filled with dog treats for their Korgi. While the far left doesnt have rebel flags in the rear window of their Prius that spews a diesel cloud as they drive by the No Kings Rally. MAGA yells incoherent isms when not banging their blowup Trump doll, while the far left aches to cuddle with Don Lemon or Rachel Maddow.

As for me, the man without an island realist, I ache for a ’28 presidential victory by Scott Bessent who is the only adult in DC. Yes Scott, a true man’s man gay man(wow what a phrase), isn’t afraid of kicking Musk’s ass again or taking down Lutnick or any other lunatic hetero militant MAGAs or irrational Dems as necessary

Barrelled

Problem with Bessent is loyalty. Guy was a full on Dem until it didn’t fit his aspirations so he changed teams (not the homosexual kind of teams). That’s a kowtowing, bending the knee bitch.

Picard Madeoff

I’m hopeful that Bessent’s time with Soros in London allowed him to see the underbelly of the beast. Next, his time with Trump, also a beast, has given him insight into the other underbelly. Pair the two exposures with Bessent’s superior intellect and we might have a solid pragmatic candidate. Time will tell.

Brutus

time is now.

Chief Hot stuff

That would be so sik, a Rep gay as Pres!

Picard Madeoff

It would be so upsetting to the far left. Bessent might need one MMA fight against Buttigieg to gain the respect of the far right Christians, then he’d win big!

FL Skunk Ape

trump was a lifelong democrat

Chief Hot stuff

Hes more man than a mans man

Picard Madeoff

Agreed and he keeps delivering

yipykiyaymf

Oooh nooo Joe Rogan is calling people dorks!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

Barrelled

The dorks used to mostly be on the left but they all switched to the right and are now leading the sheep to the house.

Barrelled

If MAGA has become a team, when is Otto getting his MVP award?

Snowbored

He will receive it when he gets down on his knees in front of the man he loves so much.

Chief Hot stuff

A true left position

Com Turren

let’s get some pre-Bells 2026 season predictions from JP and Jen, yeah? I’m a little bored of the Iran war, and Trump is too

Barrelled

I think they both bailed on this show.

Com Turren

can’t imagine why…

Blowin

Perhaps they were worried you’d dox them to their respective employers if they inadvertently crossed one of your arbitrary , unilateral moral boundaries and you decided they needed to be cancelled ?

Mapski

ctrl/alt/delete

@TheRealJackMeoff

That would make a great profile name.

Barrelled

You want him to start screenshotting you again?

Blowin

He does what he does. He screenshot something the other day without provocation. Nothing to do with me.

Barrelled

I was just fuckin round, enjoying the banter.

Jack John Johnson

If you don’t fuck around who’s gonna fuck around for you?

Com Turren

you must mean without recent provocation, as I seem to recall a hell of a lot of shit talking coming from you, there was never a ceasefire agreement negotiated, and the enemy always gets a vote!

Com Turren

I don’t think they are too worried about that possibility.

You, on the other hand, think someone is going to throw you in jail just because you say racist, homophobic, and antismetic stuff.

Barnycle

Correct. It’s been a long while, as well.

Mapski

He’s gone insane, and his methods are unsound.

deeks

I don’t..see…any method at all…

@TheRealJackMeoff

Only madness.

Barnycle

Jen is basically gone, a long, long time ago and JP has said that this shit doesn’t interest him anymore.

He told us when people were asking for event summaries nearing the end of last season. Maybe even from the middle of the season.

DR and Chardes are gonna have to recruit another writer to give us humourous and interesting event summaries.

No good writers hang around this place forever, except for the ones who have skin in the game; or at least that’s what I can gather by traversing the archives.

Blowin

Despite being incorrect so often that he’s basically surfing’s version of the reverse Cramer effect, Freeride ( AKA Longtom ) has by far the best contest wraps I’ve ever read. I genuinely speed-click when I see he’s dropped the latest installation.

Barrelled

Too many pretend names.

Chief Hot stuff

Even his dumbed down SW ones are ok

deeks

Jen sook has 4 more years of an English lit. course to ween her off the valley girl language and j.p. is on the piss til November

7dollarsurfboard

They went and got proper jobs. The peanuts BG paid for their articles could never last 7.

Sean Connery

Hey Everyone…I just wanted to let you know that Otto reached out. He has really been going through it since we started bombing Iran. Apparently they call it the Red State death spiral. I know. I know. I hadn’t heard of it either. Apparently its when you go on the website so much that it becomes addicting and the rabbit holes and conspiracies get bigger and more outlandish where ya just can’t get out. 48hrs straight he said. No sleep. Black coffee and copenhagen. The wife bringing him food down to his bunker and then he would leave the plates by the door for her to pick up later. The only excercise he got were bathroom breaks and polishing his guns. The fluorescent lights burning his retnas. It was rough. But things are looking up and he made some shocking discoveries. He figured out why high gas prices are good for us and how it actually doesn’t effect inflation. Stay tuned.

NEGATRON

*Mother.

Beef & Beer

*Basement.

Blowin

The last line was perfect

Happy Camper

“Stay tuned”?

Jack John Johnson
Chief Hot stuff

Sure beats the Daily Pride.

Occ Topus

Never mind MAGA…
MLGA (Make Lahaina Great Again). Live from Maui. https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

Barnycle

Needs a better colour than red

“The official colors are assigned to the main islands: Hawaii Island is represented by red, symbolizing the goddess Pele and the island’s volcanic nature. Maui’s color is pink, reflecting the Lokelani rose, while Oahu is honored with yellow, representing the native ‘ilima blossom.”

Brutus

ok just posted this elsewhere……..”yeah it seems that a lot of maga people are really suffering, as their hopes and dreams/promises, have been obliterated……the hardest thing is for those of us who have been reading/listening to all the taco bullshit…..reality has now crushed so many people who supported maga….so instead of gloating over…”oh I was right and you were wrong you dumb cunt!” there needs to be less aggro, us and them dialogue ….and actually a dialogue that encompasses a lot of empathy for those poor people who were conned into maga in the belief that things would get better…..they are shattered/angry….and we need to show them some empathy…..not kick em while they are down and recovering from one of the greatest political scams, the world has ever seen…we are all in this together!

Michael Flatlately

Noticed with a lot of elections now, the election night / win is treated, by many voters, like an awards night. Like their guy won for his work, yet the point of an election is they just won the contract for the work. Those who vote that way then back their guy, unconditionally. Whereas, we’re meant to be riding the cunts through their tenure. Unconditionally support your troops, by all means, but Trump should be treated with absolute scepticism, as a rule.

Brutus

I have been watching Americans commenting on alJazeera……who were high ranking officials under various different Presidents………I think the whole world is stunned by….everybody is believing Iran/Ayatollah’s versions and the trump admin has no cred…anywhere!
this is a first and shows a crisis of credibility now in the USA……orange is the new darkness!

Hippy

That you support through Bibi

Why do you support Trump now?

Tom House

I don’t know a single democrat who has backed their “guy” unconditionally. We generally feel let down and are loud about it.

FL Skunk Ape

That’s pretty fucking funny, but goddamit – it’s ‘affect’!!


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