Dear Rory: I Want to Move to Hawaii!

You'll be broke, working your ass off, and your kid will be stupid. Total bummer.

Dear Rory,

I’m married and have a young son. We recently sold our first home, and are sitting on a decent stack of money. Our original intention was to reinvest our funds in another larger home in the same city. Currently we are about 2 weeks away from closing on the new place, but we’re starting to have second thoughts. 

Although none one of us have ever been, we’re considering a move to Hawaii. Should we throw caution into the wind and move to paradise, or play it safe and stay put?

Aspiring Malihini

Dear Rory says:

Sorry, haole, we’re all full up out here.

Ha! But, seriously, it’s complicated.

The first thing you’ve gotta ask yourself, “Why do I want to move?”

Is it because you have itchy feet, feel all wrapped up in ennui, desperate to be somewhere, anywhere, but where you are? If that’s the case, stay put. Too many people move to Hawaii looking for answers, or fulfillment, or some sort of inner peace. And those things ain’t here. You can’t run from existential problems. No matter where you go, there you’ll be.

Now get the paradise thing out of your head. Sure, I live in paradise, but I Forrest Gump’ed my way into this situation, and I don’t have any crotch fruit depending on me. Everyone knows how expensive Hawaii is, but you can’t really appreciate it unless you live here. Expect to pay $200 a month for electricity (much more if you want A/C), and don’t expect to own your home. Median prices are around $750K, so unless you feel like living in Puna (you don’t want to live in Puna), you’re gonna be paying out the ass for rent. A two bedroom rental on Oahu is gonna run you at least $2000 a month, and that’s if you’re living in a shitbox in a terrible neighborhood. The same place in Town will be over $3K. You can always find a cheaper spot in Waianae, but then you’re stuck. Only one way in and out, you’ll be sitting in traffic three to four hours a day commuting to work. Commute from North Shore is about the same, but rent is closer to Town prices.

All in all, Hawaii’s cost of living is about 30% above the national average, while wages are generally lower. According to the MIT Living Wage Calculator, a family of three with both parents working requires $63,356 combined income before taxes. From personal experience, that is low. Enough to live hand to mouth, one missed pay check away from total destitution. In reality, if you want some minor luxuries, like cable TV and the occasional meal out, with some money left at the end of the month, you need closer to $100K.

And, you know, there’s the whole school thing. I won’t say that Hawaii public schools are bad, I never attended one. If I had to guess, I’d say the teachers are probably pretty comparable to the mainland, when it comes to skills and motivation. But 2009 saw statewide “Furlough Fridays,” reducing the school week to four days because of budget shortfalls. Beyond the problems that causes with childcare, it says a lot about the state’s priorities in regards to education.

Plus the water isn’t fluoridated. Lots of little kids with fucked-up teeth. Good purity of essence, though.

If you decide you want your kid to go to private school, Punahou is supposedly the best. $23K per year, which isn’t exactly cheap. Is it worth it? I couldn’t say. The President’s a Punahou grad, but I’ve met a ton of stupid losers who are as well.

So you’ll be broke, working your ass off, and your kid will be stupid. Total bummer.

But it’s not all bad.

The sense of community out here is mind blowing to guy like me who was raised in the go-fuck-yourself world of Los Angeles. If you can make it through your first six months (people hesitate to make friends with new arrivals because so many leave almost immediately) things will get easier. You can save money on food by growing your own, trading with neighbors, or killing your meat. You’ll figure out how to save money by mixing up your shopping. I typically hit three different markets for various stuff, depending on who sells what for less. You save a lot on entertainment, because, you know, there’s nothing to do. Hike, swim, surf, hunt, repeat. All the best stuff is free, once you’ve purchased gear. As long as you’re okay with waiting, Amazon will save you a ton of money. Prime pays for itself super fast.

Occasionally it’ll be a pain in the ass to get your hands on something quickly. Like, this weekend I went on a day long, island-wide hunt for au gratin dishes because I wanted to make scallops baked in a mushroom curry Béchamel. I finally found them, though, and it was delicious!

That’s most of the terrible, and it’s really all about money. It’s hard to deal with, but hardly impossible. The wife and I moved here with no car, no place to live, no jobs, and $4k in the bank. If someone were to ask me now, “Is that possible?”, I’d say no. We got very lucky. We also begged money off family a shameful number of times.

But there was also a ton of hard work, and a total refusal to give up. We saw most of our friends throw in the towel and move back home, but by never treating that as an option we were forced to make it work. And it eventually did.

I could never counsel someone to take the safe path. Mainly because I don’t believe there is one. Yeah, you can be a dutiful employee and save money and act like we’re taught you’re supposed to, but that’s a recipe for a mundane, miserable, soul sucking life. And there’s no way of knowing what the future will bring. You can work away your entire life, and drop dead at 60. You can save every spare cent and be swindled. You could enroll your kid in the best schools, and still see him end up blowing dudes in a bus station bathroom for meth money.

Mortgaging your youth for security in your old age is a sucker’s bet. The system is built to keep us slaves, as long as you play by the rules you’ll always be one.

I say do it, if it’s what you really want.

Why not? You’ll be dead soon enough, make the most of what time you have.

Send your life questions to: [email protected]

Due to the volume of mail, Dear Rory can’t answer letters personally etc… 

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elduderino
elduderino
10 years ago

Everytime I question my decision to have moved to the ocean I listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/wat…

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

And real guns. You should all steer clear.

J H
J H
10 years ago

Another random observation…why is Derek posting the “Ask Rory” column? Is that at the request of the lawyers or the marketing departing?

J H
J H
10 years ago

I worked in Hawaii part time (don’t tell Lemmy but my employer paid me to commute between NY and Honolulu) and the best piece of advice that I can give anyone looking to move is that you have to be an outside person who doesn’t get sick of the beach. People I worked with loved the idea of living in Hawaii but quickly got sick of the beach, sand, sun and the traffic. For those of us on each coast we have an advantage because we know about the beach and traffic but for landlocked people it’s a complete culture shock. I used to come back to the office after being gone two weeks and three people would have quit and moved back in that time. But I loved every second and when our house was destroyed by Sandy we seriously considered moving out full time. Also…I can’t tell you how many time I’d go up to Kaena Point by myself and end up talking to the “locals” about random stuff. They were always very nice to me.

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago
Reply to  J H

Truth. You have to LOVE the beach.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

But let’s not act like there’s nothing else to do on O’ahu. The Republik and Bamp have been bringing in world class music acts for a few years now. I saw Citizen Cope, Santigold and Damian Marley play on the same bill a few years back and Die Antword and Diplo both played within the last year. Pretty much every week has a big show these days. Matter of fact Action Bronson plays tonight folloowed by Claude Vonstroke. And Of Monsters And Men plays two nights next month. Plus they always have some good Broadway show going on. I’ll be hopping over to see The Book Of Mormon at Blaisdell at the end of April. And the local art and music scene has come a long way as well. Unfortunately with that has come the hipsters but hey, you can’t win em all.

Rory Parker
Rory Parker
10 years ago

Thanks!

Rory Parker
Rory Parker
10 years ago

Are you getting your boards on island? I want a new board but don’t want to deal with shipping.

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago
Reply to  Rory Parker

Stretch will ship for about $150 to your door.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago
Reply to  Rory Parker

Arakawas from sale rack at the surfboard factory outlet in Kapolei have been my bread and butter for years. For customs I always had good luck with Bushmans and they don’t break the bank.

Rory Parker
Rory Parker
10 years ago

I got a job there (SFO) when I first moved to Oahu. I’d rather chop my dick off than give that fucker a dime.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago
Reply to  Rory Parker

Mmmm, interesting. I don’t know anything about the owner or any of that. But living outer islands it’s a good place for me to grab a few boards to take home when I’m there. I can usually get three boards home for just the $35 which makes it a pretty good deal.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago

About half of this applies to San Francisco, London, Sydney, and/or New York. Cost of living in desirable places is a bitch, even places with loads of gainful employment.

Fahking Haole
Fahking Haole
10 years ago
Reply to  Mariano Landa

And that’s the most applicable response to this whole string. Do it right and it’s actually cheaper here than the mainland, especially compared to the “desirable places” if you come from there. Midwest transplant? Can’t help you there.

Rory Parker
Rory Parker
10 years ago
Reply to  Fahking Haole

It definitely gets more affordable the more time you spend out here. But when you’re fresh, with no connections, no clue where to shop, it’s brutal.

Funny story- my mother, an all around terrible person, decided she was going to move to Kauai years ago on a full on delusional find-yourself-in-paradise trip. She lasted, literally, three days before she flew back to Cali with tales of how “racist” everyone is. Because she wasn’t handed a job and a place to stay the moment she stepped off a plane.

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
10 years ago
Reply to  Fahking Haole

I forgot Milwaukee on my list of desirable places.

Ole' dirty shaper
Ole' dirty shaper
10 years ago

I mean Bought a shit van, sealed it up and traded boards for plugged electrical chords. My van looked like shit but on the inside it was shangi la ,flatscreen, queen bed triple beam, bong. Although I did have to learn how to sneakily shit in a bag and when my stash was found it was time to find a new spot… Also the few times I crashed in ” town” during south swells I did get harassed my some moke’s who could obviously see or hear the movie i was watching, “hey whayou doing! (Tapping on the windows)” if i didn’t have remote start I might have had a problem. Side note, they can’t tow if you prove you live in it, good luck!

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago

HECO is a publicly traded monopoly, so it’ll keep going up.

Ole' dirty shaper
Ole' dirty shaper
10 years ago

Add to that the failure and opposition for wind power, you’ve got yourself a monopoly

Suss Oldman
Suss Oldman
10 years ago

Note to self: buy HECO

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

Try as they may, they’ll always be HELCO to me.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

Even when they’re Nextera.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

What you know about Puna, fob?

Mapski
Mapski
10 years ago

Nice Dr. Strangelove reference.

Jay Walter Weatherman
Jay Walter Weatherman
10 years ago
Reply to  Mapski

lol was hoping someone else noticed that!

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

I hope Rory will remember, Puna don’t need him around anyhow.

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago

SKYYYYYYYNYYYYYRD

velobwoy
velobwoy
10 years ago

Really good answer Rory. I moved to Kauai in ’96 with $700, knowing 3 people there. Lasted 14 years. Met so many good people, ended up caretaking in the most amazing spot, so many good waves… And yet, never got ahead enough to do much of anything. Ended up moving back to Cali just to raise a family. As much as I hate to say it, it’s mostly about the $.

Lemmy
Lemmy
10 years ago

Is it just me or does that picture look like Turtle is giving a lesson on where to put the penis into the vagina

Kook Dahanamoku
Kook Dahanamoku
10 years ago
Reply to  Lemmy

“When the vagina breaks here, don’t be there – or you’re gonna get drilled.”

dickhaloren
dickhaloren
10 years ago

I have the answer. Move there for 3 months. Then come crawling back to Cali and appreciate all the Mexican food.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago
Reply to  dickhaloren

I do miss real Mexican food.

dickhaloren
dickhaloren
10 years ago

I left for a week and was hurting. I could not imagine a lifetime.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago
Reply to  dickhaloren

I’ll take boardshorts all year and Mexican food when I visit my Grandma.

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago
Reply to  dickhaloren

There’s a spot in Honolulu called “Tacos Zarate” that is pretty damn good East LA mexican. Best on the island.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

I just asked my brother about Tacos Zarate and he says it’s ‘okay.’ But we grew up in San Diego before we ended up in the islands after high school, so our perspective on Mexican food is a little skewed.

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago

Give it a try. Nothing compares to East LA and SF stuff, but it’s close.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

Since i’m usually only on O’ahu a couple times a year I don’t waste it eating Mexican. There is too much fantastic food over there these days for that. Koko Head Cafe, Mud Hen Water, Kaimuki Superette, Town, 12th Avenue Grille, Lucky Belly, Tokkuri Tei, Bevy, Himalayan Kitchen, Earl, Pint And Jigger, shit I could just keep going. The amount of good food and drink there is just absurd.

Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
Dahaoleformerlyknownasbi0008
10 years ago

You want some legit asada, go to Costco(if you dare) and see if they have the Bill Bailey’s Carne Asada. They have it at the Kona costco by the cheese and lunch meats. Sounds weird I know, but best asada for sale in the islands guaranteed.

Ghostface Braddah
Ghostface Braddah
10 years ago

And costco Tequila is pretty good (I’m serious).

Tom House
Tom House
10 years ago

For the life of me I’ll never understand how somebody could move from a continent to an island. If you’ve got feet itchy enough to make you think about ditching home ownership for “paradise” in Hawaii, how the hell are you gonna settle down in a place you can see all of in 6 weeks?

Reptilian
Reptilian
10 years ago
Reply to  Tom House

Australia is both a continent and an island, everybody wins

Wiggolly's Paddling Style
Wiggolly's Paddling Style
10 years ago

Dear Rory, is Valtrex the genital herpies medication available without prescription in Hawaii? Further to this, do you know if Hawaii has the 500mg caplets or only 200mg? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Wiggs.

Darghh
Darghh
10 years ago

Dear Wiggs, a friend says coconut oil works wonders. He also says it’s great lube, but don’t use it for bum play as the smell combination is awful. Kind regards, DR

blumpkin mung
blumpkin mung
10 years ago
Reply to  Darghh

I was told that it’s actually great for boom boom in the bum bum.

Wiggolly's Paddling Style
Wiggolly's Paddling Style
10 years ago
Reply to  blumpkin mung

….. so do I stick it in her arse or not? @darghh:disqus

Darghh
Darghh
10 years ago

always


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