10 (More) Things I’ll teach My Kid About Surf

Love old men. Fall off waves. Worship at Andy Irons' throne.

A couple of years back I threw a ten-pack of advice on what to teach your kids about surf. The usual stuff, why the death penalty shouldn’t be applied to longboarders no matter how sensible it would be, and so on.

You got kids? Here’s another ten things to tell ‘em.

1. Lay off the fish: You’ll get lazy at some point, kiddo, or there’ll be a run of bad waves for a month and you’ll want a surfboard that picks up a ripple and eats sections. Something wider. Flatter. Thicker. Don’t. You might never come back. Oh, you’ll feel… fabulous… surfing has never been this easy. But when has anything good come without the blood, sweat and pus of trying until you want to puke?

2. Download that GoPro footage: There’s gotta be a thousand years of unclaimed footage sitting around on kids’ GoPros. Get into the habit of downloading it, cutting the clips and sending ’em off somewhere like the Hurley Surf Club. In an act of benevolence from an industry owned, mostly, by French luxury brands and investment bankers, Hurley’ll get your clips, rate ‘em, offer suggestions on how to get better and do it all for free. (And no, that wasn’t native advertising.)

3. You’ll never a man like Kelly Slater in your lifetime: Oh, I know… I know… to you he seems like a silly old man, the way he bites back to nobodies on his Instagram. Throw a line out there, say his clothing isn’t organic or suggest that the earth is a pancake and you’ll haul him in. But, listen: that same screen jockey…made… pro surfing. And for twenty years there wasn’t a man who could touch him.

Oh, wait, there was. Andy Irons.

4. There’ll never be another Andy Irons either. In the great Andy v Kelly rivalry at the turn of the century picking who the good and bad guys were was impossible. Superficially, Kelly was the modest hero. Statues were build of him in his hometown. Magazines competed to see how often they could use the word modest in their profiles. Andy was the trainwreck who’d celebrate a contest win, and a loss if you want to know, by throwing his beak onto the grindstone. A closer examination of their motivations, however, would reveal Kelly as Machiavellian, Andy as terrifyingly honest. The performance level of both surfers, in the sort of waves that matter, is only now, almost twenty years on, being scratched by John John.

5. Learn to skate. Nail ollies, grinds, shuv-its and spins and apply to your surf. And then quit before you break and distort your limbs. Forty-year-old skaters are scarecrow horror shows.

6. Join a club. Local competition sharpens your game and it does it in a way where you don’t feel like you’re going to faint from the pressure. Maybe you’ll like being told to perform in fifteen-minute bursts, maybe it’ll repel you. Whatever happens, you’ll surf better.

7. It’s cool to try: I love watching a kid try the same move over and over for weeks. Blows wave after wave. The frustration kills him. And then one day he lands a monster air-rev or whatever. And suddenly he’s better than most of the guys in the lineup.

8. You can’t fight a SUP: You’re not going to out-paddle one and you’re not going to win a collision with a clown erect on his boat. So move down the beach if you think you’ll lose your mind watching him catch and blow every set.

9. Respect the better older surfers: Hoot ‘em. Tell ‘em if you enjoyed the line they took into a roundhouse. It never happens so you’ll be repaid in waves, in advice, protection, whatever you want.

10. Be kind to kooks: Nothing is more repellant than a pampered jock surf kid railing at beginners as if he was born with a frontside wrap and backside reverse.

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Dirk Diggler
Dirk Diggler
8 years ago

As a dad to surfers, totally agree on all points other than skating – so many kids break so many bones skating, I reckon it’s of dubious benefit v the risk.

?uzzled
?uzzled
8 years ago

I feel all warm and fuzzy when reading this list. It is good without being faggy.

Bush
Bush
8 years ago

How about don’t live in wiletton?

Nadsy
Nadsy
8 years ago

The Andy post mortem love fest has jumped the shark

nyc surfing golden boy
nyc surfing golden boy
8 years ago

“There’ll never be another Andy Irons either”

get six beers in me , a couple of lines, some waves and a hooker afterwards and im pretty close..

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

Not so much the hookers ol Andy. Liked his gal, liked his accelerants.

longtom
longtom
8 years ago

Liked his oxys too. And no man who has ever tasted them can blame him for that.

SoCalGary
SoCalGary
8 years ago

Sorry Derek, I enjoyed the read, but you lost me on #8 (SUPs). We can never give into the plague that is SUP riding in the lineup. I still surf Cardiff and the surrounding peaks even though they are littered with this bane of the surfing experience – all of them assholes. Most small kids can AND should try to take off with, in front of, or behind SUPs and drive them to drink. Don’t move down the beach as this will only empower them. The issue dates back at least 10 years as demonstrated by the Cardiff Kook statue being adorned fittingly with a broom in 2008. Janitors stay out of the lineup. https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  SoCalGary

Do you think they will disappear eventually, like the goat boat of the eighties? The bodyboard of the nineties?

Return of the Samsung Board
Return of the Samsung Board
8 years ago

Too easy to use! Like scooters at the skatepark, they take all the easy parts of BMX (handlebars) and skateboards (being able to bail easily) and put them into one dorky package. Its a pandemic that I feel may be incurable.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

But such an awkward package! And very difficult to transport.

Return of the Samsung Board
Return of the Samsung Board
8 years ago

SUCcers leave them on the roof for the non- enlightened world to see their ocean- going nature. It’s a badge… with varying opinions

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

Maybe mount a SUP theft campaign if these ghastly vessels are left unattended.

DrunkenAngel
DrunkenAngel
8 years ago

13. Ignore any listicle written by a man who has been in the bosom of surf industry toilet block for decades. Surfing doesnt matter. So, none of this list matters. It’s all bs kids. Just go surf and fucking laugh.

Tom House
Tom House
8 years ago

I will never understand you weirdos who want surfing to be more difficult and less fun. Self-flaggelation has no business in surf.

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago
Reply to  Tom House

Really, if self-flagellation is your thing, I highly recommend endurance sports.

Return of the Samsung Board
Return of the Samsung Board
8 years ago
Reply to  Tom House

The hate on logs has some history… but fish? Where do you draw the line? A certain rocker dimension?

Jen See
Jen See
8 years ago

I guess you just have so much money, you can travel all the time to good waves, and you never need a small-wave board? Idk.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

…short, wide, flat. Ruinous!

Return of the Samsung Board
Return of the Samsung Board
8 years ago

Hah! You’re great at starting arguments or “impassioned discourse” but No Sir I will not fall into your trap! Partly because my grammar is poor!

“Blah Blah why categorise surfing into one approach, one board, one lip hit?”

All I can manage

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago

It ain’t bad. But try harder. It’s there, somewhere. You…will…learn to express!

longtom
longtom
8 years ago

Pyzel Ghost is pretty wide and flat Dell……..you wan’t to take issue with me or John John?

Mads Naeraa
Mads Naeraa
8 years ago
Reply to  longtom

With the Ghost the party’s out the back. D should get off his Mayhems and try one.

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago

re #9: so true, the crustiest stink-eying old local will melt to at-your-service after you say “wow, I wouldn’t have thought to choose those lines, but you definitely picked the best way to surf that wave.”

And beyond the obsequious Machiavellian opportunism, as physical skills diminish, the old guy’s last stand is exercising the subtle art of artful lines. A kid might actually learn something if s/he’s paying attention. You can see, for instance, that Carissa Moore and Stephanie Gilmore observed how their elders surfed; young Courtney Conlogue, by contrast, was formed by rewound shot-from-the-beach videos and awe for the thrashiest thrashers at the pier (and will never win a world championship because of it, no matter how hard she tries)

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

I had a nice chat last November to a very experienced coach who now resides at Lennox . Would love to here his take on this subject as his own son won everything as a junior in Oz and spent 4 years on tour before the famous 1/2 year cut off and repetitive knee surgery put and end to his career . In an article he wrote ,about the importance of a powerful bottom in high performance surfing ,he actually rated the bottom turn of Tyler and Sally above those of Carissa and Steph .I personally think Courtney does some great turns especially in close out sections but sometimes lacks flow in between the major turns she throws down on the face .Powerful but hack stop , hack stop.

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago

Tyler is my personal favorite, definitely puts her thick frame/big ass to work flexing her board on rail in ways the lithe ones can’t, certain your surf coach is on to something James.

Courtney reminds me of David Eggers, an inland kid and with a chip on her shoulder because of it, total ripper with murder in her heart, but her concept of surfing was established by driving to janky beachbreaks with tween admiration for big moves, not floating in the channel at a reef or point break as a little kid. You can see in Connor Coffin, JJF, AI, Carissa, Steph this naturalized sense of surfing as something holistic from being right there – they saw the old guys/gals linking lines in drawn out waves before they were old enough to decide that wasn’t cool. Flow is built in to their surfing. Courtney though thinks ripping = KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL, so like you said “hack stop, hack stop.”

Probably bullshit, but I bet if Courtney surfed every day for three months on a 6’6 single fin at some respectable point break, she’d be better off when she got back on her performance stick. You see how Honolua Bay fucks her every year – the place won’t bend to her will, won’t be surfed like HB pier. Maybe she’ll grow into it at some point …..

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

He has been at it for 30 years and very successful taking Australia to 6 team gold medals and Peru 1 team gold medal at various ISA games.Jeez I felt like old Ben Kenobe when you dropped David Eggers into the equation “ that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time “.The Nicky Wood of American surfing . I was lucky in 76 that some drug fiend on the NSW mid north coast stole my $20 Shane and my Dad felt bad and I ended up standing in front of Bob Cooper who advised me at 11 that the best board he had for a learner was a 6’8” Brian Cregan single fin . Best $60 I ever spent and 2 years later was ready for twins and another 4 years later a thruster.
Maybe she could get fellow bong ride Taj B’s advice as he has taken out the last 2 single comps,in the Maldives and then at Burleigh.

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago

Interesting story of bad (stolen board) turning into good (the board you actually needed). Life seems to shake out that way most of the time.

David Eggers, saw him around surfing a lot when I was a kid. So many ripping teenagers around him, but he stood out because he made absolutely everything. He had what we’d call nowadays better technical fundamentals, squared everything up correctly before he even started a manuever, so he made everything even if really critical. Pretty impressive in the pre-coach era when even the really good guys were just throwing shit up and then relying on shear athleticism to see if they could make it stick.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

What actually happened to him ? We know the sad endings of the MPs and the Ricky Rasmussens but everyone is silent about the Nicky Woods of the modern surfing world .

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago

According to the surf media, schizophrenic break at that age when it’s prone to happen, self-medicated with drugs for a while. Cleaned up and kept it together outside of surfing but died young of a heart attack …

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

Insanity in surfing raises up its ugly head again . So sad .

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

Thanks . It is such a shame we have to wait till they shuffle off this mortal coil .

longtom
longtom
8 years ago

Martin D?

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  longtom

✅.

DrunkenAngel
DrunkenAngel
8 years ago

Ffs listen to yourself. Coaching and surfing as if it is normal and should be anything but an aberration.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  DrunkenAngel

My first comment 5 hours ago was what you just said now HAVE FUN but 4 🍺 later I am enjoying talking shit which is why I come here . Cheers drunken angel .

DrunkenAngel
DrunkenAngel
8 years ago

If you are drinking you are on my train. Chase those beers with withkk my friend and watch the gutter come up and stars come closer. Woohoo here we goeses

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  DrunkenAngel

As my favorite piss heads come from French Brittany I wish you
YEC’HED MAT .

Seas Nail
Seas Nail
8 years ago

It wasn’t the gammy knees or the 1/2 year rotation, it was those damn balled fists!

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  Seas Nail

Cheeky from you fush n chups after all Australian surfing has done for you 🤪.We even extended Kirra Groyne so one day you could burn Slater and grace one of our minor surf mags with a double page spread .Not to mention sending Bob Davie from( ?) Cronulla to be come the patron saint of NZ surfing .I think 🤔 I might just watch that first half try that the Australian/ Italian genius OCCY , no it was CAMPESE scored all those years ago .Or I could watch an “Angel at my table “a wonderful independent film concerning the troubled life of NZ poet and author Janet Frame .

Antipodes
Antipodes
8 years ago

Bob Davie is Kiwi surfing royalty. My first board was an old abandoned Davie with a busted schnozz that I discovered in a shed at home and did a hideous job of repairing and spent a summer trying to master in the white wash of the Coromandel. He’s potentially partially responsible for some of my terrible subsequent life choices.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  Antipodes

No no one ever said that the path less travelled was easy . Imagine what might have happened had you not discovered that board ?

Antipodes
Antipodes
8 years ago

I shudder to think.

Seaman Staines
Seaman Staines
8 years ago
Reply to  Antipodes

My first board was a Salt Water thruster by Bob Davie, must have been 1985, it had fallen off a car roof and got dinged up so I got it cheap from the shop and fixed it up. It was a 5’8” with some sort of channel set up. Used that Pina Colada wax and when I smell that fragrance now I’m taken back to the days Spent trying to master this craft. Here I am 33 years later still trying.

Seas Nail
Seas Nail
8 years ago

Aussie Aussie Aussie?

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  Seas Nail

Had no idea what to say until EBC’s Shane Campbell just had a win at the Bra . Oi oi oi

nicky buttonshaw
nicky buttonshaw
8 years ago

Whatever happened to Ben Dunn?

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

Ask Longtom to ask his dad ?

longtom
longtom
8 years ago

didn’t even know he was here.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  longtom

Not your dad . Benn’s Dad .

High Roller
High Roller
8 years ago

Dunny’s knee still holds up pretty well to demonstrate a proper bottom turn technique on a skatey in his old man’s YouTube videos.

Billy Joe
Billy Joe
8 years ago

I’m claiming bullshit on 8. Stare into the jaws of death and burn those kooks every chance you get. Feels way better than throwing your tail between your legs.

mundus
mundus
8 years ago

Hate the obsession with go pros, how about just go surfing have fun, if you get good enough people will notice.

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  mundus

Tell your kid to be a trailblazer and get a Stop Pro. Tell your kid to duct tape a dagger to the nose of their board and rain medieval punishment on snakes, SUP’s and surf miscreants.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

And have fun while remaking the most wonderful B film of all times SURF NAZIS MUST DIE !

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

I always thought it was a myth until I saw it .

mundus
mundus
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

Have no kids, world is too crowded already.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  mundus

Children are the most precious possessions! You must!

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

Have fun .

Ami Lost
Ami Lost
8 years ago

11. Learn to hold your liqour, there’s always waves the day after hitting the bottle.

resumes.mvlhawaii@gmail.com
8 years ago
Reply to  Ami Lost

Best advice ever. Always have snacks and Gatorade stocked and hit them both hard before passing out in an alcoholic haze!!!

Otto
Otto
8 years ago

Puking Gatorade is a truly awful experience.

DrunkenAngel
DrunkenAngel
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

Ahhh my regular breakfast

SoCalGary
SoCalGary
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

Puking Gatorade is going to the be the name of my new band -thanks!!

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  SoCalGary

Don’t be a one hurl wonder.

Eddie Haiku
Eddie Haiku
8 years ago

One rule applies. Never listen to old cunts like us. Ever.

turts
turts
8 years ago

11) Have rich parents who surf.

Nothing will better your game more than honestly believing you’re entitled to all the waves due to mummy and daddy being loaded. Drive from Cottesloe to Yallingup every weekend in Daddy’s Landcruiser Sahara to hang with other rich kids while decked out in the latest threads from RVCA and Hurley and only wearing Patagonia wetties. When you realise you’ll never make it on tour, start your own aviation company, buy a chopper and ferry your ‘friends’ up and down the coast in the form of a trust-fund raised insta-crowd giving everyone the shits

Doobalachy
Doobalachy
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

Didn’t he break his neck recently?

turts
turts
8 years ago
Reply to  Doobalachy

I may have got sidetracked a little at the end of that comment

Tomas' silky smooth arms
Tomas' silky smooth arms
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

And always wear puka shell necklaces, bracelets and anklets all at the same time. Is it just me or have you also noticed those fucked leather / string colourful hippie bracelets and anklets are making a comeback? Surfing is a disgrace.

turts
turts
8 years ago

Friendship bands. Did they ever go out of fashion amongst the wealthy who strive to look like common people do?

Return of the Samsung Board
Return of the Samsung Board
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

“Common people” is a great tune

?uzzled
?uzzled
8 years ago

The William Shatner version is the best.

Tomas' silky smooth arms
Tomas' silky smooth arms
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

Can we be friends? I have none.

turts
turts
8 years ago

Yes, I also have none. Probably because I don’t know how to make friendship bands.

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

Bonus points if those parents decide to groom you from a security high rise in Tamarindo.

Bonus bonus points if your distal twat of a hot mom within 3 months of arriving calls tourists “gringos,” and believes that Maria who watches your little sister after school is actually her friend.

turts
turts
8 years ago

Tamarindo could also be swapped out with a villa in Canggu or Seminyak

Mariano Landa
Mariano Landa
8 years ago

You my boy PNP. Carry on.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

This is a pointed comment I believe. And the man in question, I also believe, is a helluva surfer and a very nice man. Am I wrong?

turts
turts
8 years ago

Yeah he is. He’s actually quite a nice person. I’m just pissed I have to drive 10 hours to surf my favourite wave when they fly up in style! Maybe he’ll read this and give me a free trip, thus extending the olive branch and being the bigger Man.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

And the man who married fly-boy’s sister is someone I adore! And he can fly helicopters too! Being sad ’cause people are rich is no fun, as I guessed you’ve learned.

Lemon Next to the Pie
Lemon Next to the Pie
8 years ago
Reply to  turts

Sahara? Don’t they have Prados out west?

turts
turts
8 years ago

Prados are for the missus

Nickthegreek
Nickthegreek
8 years ago

Re. number 5. If you really learnt how to skate, no way you need to kick it at 40.

Ami Lost
Ami Lost
8 years ago
Reply to  Nickthegreek

,unless you like surfing more than skate. You will fall. You will break. It will be done while doing the silliest simplest of thing like biting on the one pebble for miles around.

Antipodes
Antipodes
8 years ago
Reply to  Ami Lost

Yep. Or if you’re infected with a an attack of skate nostalgia like me earlier this week you will attempt something silly and fall. And it will hurt.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Antipodes
Antipodes
Antipodes
8 years ago

Ha! Thankfully it was a far lamer and tamer slam.

The Bitchy Crab
The Bitchy Crab
8 years ago
Reply to  Ami Lost

And that was the point, yes.

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago
Reply to  Nickthegreek

truth! not for skates-like-shit me, but Aaron Astorga for instance has no reason whatsoever to quit skating

Dogsnuts
Dogsnuts
8 years ago

I’m pretty bad at rooting but I love it.

Lemon Next to the Pie
Lemon Next to the Pie
8 years ago
Reply to  Dogsnuts

Yeah, sure, but you’re not the one on the other end. Oh, the humanity.

Jimmy the Saint
Jimmy the Saint
8 years ago

Kooks have more fun! If I ever find myself SUPing in Australia and a young ripper on a hpsb with a gopro congratulates me on bogging a turn I’ll cut the fucker in half with my oar!

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago

I like that you said oar instead of paddle

Audit In Progress
Audit In Progress
8 years ago

Can you believe they don’t call them oars already? What a truly horrible pastime.

Jimmy the Saint
Jimmy the Saint
8 years ago

Stand up oaring! Shortened to S-Oaring, how was this not thought of by those kooks? I should patent that, but of course I won’t!

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago

Jimmy bloody Joyce

PacificNorthPest
PacificNorthPest
8 years ago

SOARing?

Lemon Next to the Pie
Lemon Next to the Pie
8 years ago

Stand Up Whores?

Jimmy the Saint
Jimmy the Saint
8 years ago

Watermen who Oar shortened to W-Oars (pronounced whores)! This is the only term that fits!

Bleach'd Git
Bleach'd Git
8 years ago

Continuing the Satan’s Workshop theme – should they be called scythes? Or Styx? Sorry.

James Bickerton
James Bickerton
8 years ago
Reply to  Bleach'd Git

Cross the grim river to the underworld and discover.

Audit In Progress
Audit In Progress
8 years ago
Reply to  Bleach'd Git

No. That’s just TOO cool.

Bleach'd Git
Bleach'd Git
8 years ago

11. Comment on Beach Grit. It will make you a better man/woman/genderqueer person. It will have no positive impact on your surfing whatsoever, but it will make you feel better about yourself through its patented Social Validation Feedback Loop™.

DrunkenAngel
DrunkenAngel
8 years ago
Reply to  Bleach'd Git

Hey! Thats my TM bitch

Otto
Otto
8 years ago
Reply to  DrunkenAngel

You gonna jump that coffee table?

DrunkenAngel
DrunkenAngel
8 years ago
Reply to  Otto

In a single bound!

Bleach'd Git
Bleach'd Git
8 years ago
Reply to  DrunkenAngel

Gulp. (Looks around for protective cunty hat)
Do you feel validated DA? I hope so.


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