"It's enough already."
The clear highlight of my last week was not a cancer diagnosis but rather a lovely 30 minute chat with Eddie Rothman. The North Shore legend and Da Hui co-founder is such a breath of fresh air. In this modern world where most people hedge opinion with many caveats or simply refuse to go on the record, Mr. Rothman lets fly without heed. He has the bonus of truly believing what he says and of being able to back it up come hell or high water.
The reason for the call was about contest permitting for Pipeline but like all good chats it bobbed and weaved, covering other topics as well. We spoke, for example, of professional surf judging and I thought he had an interesting point.
“Look at the judging ok?” Eddie said. At our Pipeline event (the Backdoor Shootout) we have champions judging. Do you ever hear the ASP mention who their judges are… I mean the WSL?”
“Mmmmmm” I responded trying to think of the newly installed head judge’s name.
Eddie continued, “There’s Ritchie something but whatever. Those people have no clue. No clue. I watched some of the heats of the Volcom where… I watched somebody take off on the two biggest, meanest fuckin waves of the heat and almost come out. Just death defying waves and he didn’t make it, he didn’t conclude the wave, so he got a one point eight and a one point blah blah. Then there’s some kid sitting in the channel the whole time, caught a four foot wave, caught another four foot wave and he got a little tiny barrel, made it and got the score, won the heat. The guy who was charging the hardest, putting his life on the line, got fucked. It’s enough already.”
And how about that? I have thought, for years and especially at places like Pipeline, Teahupo’o and Fiji (RIP) that guts are entirely undervalued. It is, I think, a reason why so many “Pipeline specialists” get drummed out in the first few rounds of the Pipe Masters. They are conditioned to paddle for the biggest, the meanest waves. Seasoned WSL competitors know that the risk/reward paradigm is tilted heavily in favor of taking easier, smaller waves and making them look good.
But what of the thrill of watching somebody paddle as deep as they can on unruly monsters? Or really going for the last section as opposed to safely escaping? Can heart ever be figured in to the scoreline?
Also, should the WSL employ surf champs as judges for events where the wave is an equal star? Men and women who truly understand the complexities of the tour’s various all-star waves? I suppose it’s a shrinking list now with both Pipeline and Fiji disappeared but something to think about nonetheless.
How can safety surfing be forever rooted out of our game?
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That would be the median, not the average.
Come on, you have to make waves to get scores!
What about boars?
The People are not average persons.
There is a difference between normal and average.
More than green bottles even??
If the criteria was set to what the People recognize as good surfing then practically anyone could judge.
LET THE PEOPLE JUDGE! LET THE PEOPLE JUDGE! LET THE PEOPLE JUDGE!
Can we either get – computers to score the heats consistently and analyse each turn based on velocity, criticality and the digital equivalent of flow (UX?) or have a panel of Mason Ho’s. Oh, and get events to run closer to the rocks too.
Finally stopped at AIR TO BELLY TO RECOVERY 4.17 v Fanning Trestles 2015 .
All “core” surfers hate tennis after Bobby’s “tennis tour” manifesto, right? So if a tennis player “charges” a serve, and hits a serve harder than any other player ever, but that serve lands out, that should be worth a point, right? No? Fuck… I guess I don’t understand surfing anymore. Eddie is such a loud mouth, but someone please show me video of him charging, or even hitting a serve inbounds, because at this point, i’m confused as fuck.
why?
the WSL does not want to held accountable in a “hot coffee” lawsuit bought on by an opportunistic mother because it forced young Johnny into taking of on waves he wasn’t comfortable with because he needed a score.
It was just an ancillary thought to moving to Melbourne I guess. Wasn’t my most thought out statement to be truthful.
unrelated, but wondering if the prom ever pumps and if it’s worth heading down if you’ve been there?
Wouldn’t say pumps mate but you can surf by yourself. Someone else here may have some better knowledge of it. Been there a few times but it’s always seemed kinda shit.
True aye, might have better luck further east
Better going west.
That just described Medina winning Chopes that year.
Chase, you and ‘Fast Eddie’ and all you other dudes have got it all wrong, one of the things or maybe the thing that makes surfing so cool is that in reality there are no winners or losers. You don’t have to compete. If you’re surfing for the right reasons and having fun, you are a winner, no matter what your skill level. Leave the contests for the couch potato surfers who have no real surf like of their own.
Why not get judges who have never even surfed, nor been near the coast, or who cant even swim to judge – couldn’t be worse than now!!
Shades of Malcolm Mclaren describing the Sex Pistols in The Great Rock n Roll Swindle doc/mocumentary.“ Find yourselves four(ok 5) kids ,make sure they hate each other.Make sure they can’t play ( surf ) .
Why are we even discussing this? We’re all going to the ranch and your wave will be the exact same fucking wave as my wave. There will be no heart, only the perfect barrel. Can I get an Amen brothers and sisters!
So Chas, will you be judging the tank events?
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Some git wrote about that…
https://beachgrit.com/2015/…
Pro surfers barely hang around the events they’re competing in, good luck offering them a few-hundred-grand pay-cut to watch other people all day long.
I would say if you’re ranked lower than 10, you’d be in for a significant pay rise!
Ethan Ewing won five heats in 11 events to come 34th on the world tour last year. Given he made $117,500 in prize money, and knowing that he earns far more than that in endorsements, just how much bloody coin do you think the judges are making?!?
Scratch $70,000 minimum in travel costs, insurances, medical expenses, coach/trainer, accommodation, food and he’s left with around $47,000. If you’ve finished 34th on a performance based contract you’ll get peanuts, certainly some product, but not a great deal of coin. No idea what judges get paid, hopefully not much based upon their performance. They work around 120 days a year. At $500 a day, that’s about $60,000. Maybe Chas or Derek could delve a bit deeper into the pockets of a journeyman like Ewing or a WSL judge.
Ethan ain’t no journeyman, he’s doing just great thanks to Bong and co. Stuey, one spot behind him, with no massive backing, would be more your study.
Ethan’s 2017 average wave score of 4.74 suggests otherwise.
A rookie journeyman! That’s a new one.
Thanks! There are less kind things I could have said.
But isn’t judging a lonely, beta-male sorta existence? On the same scale as umpires, linesman, referees etc? What pro surfer alpha, who is still relevant, would willingly climb down a rung?
Only one rung?
‘champignon‘ judges.
And it’s gold gold gold top for……….everybody.
The sooner Eddie gets a paid gig on the Grit writing articles the better….
You’re onto something here. Beach Grit should provide Eddie with a Dear Abby sort of forum for his thoughts.
“Dear Eddie”.
I would read the shit outta that.
Dear Eddie,
Should I pack my black shorts when I travel to the North Shore?
Sincerely,
Otto or Otto Not