World champ puts truism that best surfers can ride even a plank of wood to the test…
A few years back, there was a shot circulating of Kelly Slater at Duranbah. He was two-thirds of the way though the sorta cutback one might’ve previously thought impossible, rail buried through the nose, trail left an almost complete circle.
(Couldn’t find that shot, but how about these frame grabs on the same board.)
The board was a Greg Webber shaped surfboard he calls Electra and, lately, Webber and Slater have taken to applying the same principles to bigger waves.
“He had the idea that is a design that could allow him to do proper turns in big waves and his guess was the amount of grip the design has could correspond nicely to face turns in big waves,” says Greg, who is fiddling with various things at a surfboard factory on the Gold Coast when I call.
“But instead of altering it to such a degree that it only had a hint of the Electra, mainly a giant gun with a stinger in it, I used the exact file and…stretched…it.”
Note.
I’ve just seen the photos of the board on Facebook; Greg ain’t calling me.
He knows the reaction he’s gonna get.
“In forums you always one or two who say he could ride a door. I adore that one because it’s pure idiocy. What appears to be a truism, that the best can ride anything is misleading because they can make a board that isn’t feeling great look like it’s still ok.”
Anyway,
The dimensions of the gun are a wild 7’6” x 17 7/8” x 2 9/16”, coming in at a little under thirty-five litres.
When Slater saw the board he told Webber it was too narrow. Said it was “stupid” and that he was going to give it to Shane Dorian’s thirteen-year-old son Jackson.
“He’s right, of course,” says Webber, who was playing a game where he experiments with zero curve in the planshape and “lots” of rocker, to see what effect the outline curve has on turns.
But if he didn’t go outrageously narrow, and started at nineteen-inches wide, how would he know the parameters?
Let me interject.
You can make a board loose, or easy to turn, a few ways. Little fins. Curvy outline. Ton of rocker.
Same with speed. Straight outline. Low rocker.
Sorta same result but they all feel different.
And Webber wanted to take the outline out of the equation.
He also wanted to prove deep concaves, a matter close to his heart, in big waves.
“It’s not what you want in big waves. You want to shed speed, grip not lift. So it’s then narrowness that I wanted to test. Shortboard style lift in a gun that’s narrow. I wanted to see what that mix would do.”
Webber laughs.
“It takes guts to make a mad board. And it’s meaningless unless someone is testing it at the highest level in decent size.”
How did it go? Slater was all over a once-in-a-decade swell that lit up the east coast of Australia.
“He said there’s two really good things. The lack of plan shape made it hard to turn but the ability to get grip mid-face was great. You’ll get to turn with that parallel planshape like a snowboard.”
Webber describes his relationship with Slater as “funny” and says, “It’s amusing for both of us. He gets pissed off at me but he’s also, ok, ‘I kinda get you.’”
And, before you ask, Webber says there’s no point in him taking about his pools.
“I’ve crapped on for so many years, most of my shareholders don’t want to hear another word out of my mouth.”
He says the majority owners of his company made a decision to never build a proof-of-concept pool “on some farmland out in the middle of nowhere. They want to do everything in the one go and it’s taking a lot longer.”
He sighs when I ask about the Gold Coast pool called Tunnel Vision and that had government approval to build on a couple of hundred acres between the GC and Brisbane.
“The land go repurposed for an off-ramp for a highway. That had been in the paperwork for twenty years and I guess they thought it’d never happen. God knows how you could get a DA through.”
Another sigh.



Mino Suzuki version of a Mike Baumea craft……https://scontent-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne…
haha thats good…remeinds of a huge 60’s longboard we used as a table in my house. 10′ x3″ 50 lbs maybe…Could barely get the thing into the water.
We took it out surfing and of course called it the table. It was so heavy. I got hit once or twice by it and that was enough.
Always wanted to glue a lamp and coffeepot on the front, then take it surfing.. just to piss off the new longboard resurgence….oh shit that was 20 yrs ago!!
That carving 3 frame grab shows just how crazy difficult that turn is when done the way Kelly does ’em: fins out and upside down. It happens too fast for judges to even comprehend.
Derek, are those quotes as fucked up as they read or did you forget to review and edit this article?
That said, good read and welcome break from Charlie’s write ups about sharks, protests, coronavirus, and rumors.
Yeah the multiple misspellings confused me.
Its pretty shocking how many of these online “journos” seem to skip the proofreading process. Used to be a given that articles were proofed and edited before printing. Not anymore I guess.
Only the dinosaurs care.
Roger that. T-Rex out!
Breaking: Kelly Slater joins the mid-length movement.
Two of the world biggest attention seekers, trying to be relevant with “new” concepts (again)
Im surprised Kelly let Greg talk to Beachgrit.
Isn’t he the majority owner of his pool company?
Mike Baumea has been making boards like that since the ’80’s. Trust me, they are sic AF!
yo yo rolla
Hippy brah, long time no talk. What’s the hap?….Yes, Mike Baumea shaped and glassed those dimensions out of Greg Martz’s Waterman’s Guild by the thousands back in the day…. I still have a few and ride them all the time. Also on ice, a new one never been ridden. YEW!
Great to see experimentation. Thing looks almost as ugly and wonderful in big waves as the lazer zap. Let’s give Cheyne a call next!
Slater / Webber ……..the Richard Burton / Elizabeth Taylor of the Surfing World ?
But maybe William Blake was onto something
“Without contraries is no progression. Attraction and repulsion, reason and energy, love and hate, are necessary to human existence.“
Ooooeee
Some light reappears against the darkness!!
Hi Rex Bex …… There is a light that never goes out . Enjoying the ride till it runs out next month .
Silver lining for beach Gritters I imagine.
I’ve missed the jousting.
You’ll miss the land of the first people’s country now ruined by the second third and fourth people’s blow ins
I love a sunburnt cuntry……..
If I ever return to my fatherland I’ll look you up.
Shouldn’t be long
I think we will be kicked out soon.
Bon voyage
Family Von Bickerton!!
Kia ora, Bicko. Bonus points for Burton, Blake and Morrissey.
Hope it all goes well.
which ones Liz?
What a load of bullshit, Tom Curren won Haleiwa on a 7 2 x 17 1/2 x 2 3/8……..and why the fuck hasn’t Webber been arrested yet for fraud?
Nothing new just old recycled designs from the fraudster Webber….kelly hmmm?
When are ya ditching the moon tails mate? Once you do I’ll make an order.
mate am on the last boards , healths pretty average to say the least , Theyare actually called SWAT tails , cross betweeen a bat and swallow tail…I don’t swallow anymore!
I’m sorry to hear that mate. Do you have anything setup to give ya bit of support? Would love to help ya out. You’re a legend and I’m not really a dog.
are you sorry I don’t swallow anymore?
It’s a shame but at least you can still cum riding a rounded pin.
That was nice of you to offer, mate. Hope that Maurice is still kicking on well enough.
He’s still here on BG, at least
Maurice are you still at the chicken shed and do you have any stock boards left?
Hi Brutus . I thought this was the same board but maybe not ….. anyway it a beauty and you made it legend !
https://youtu.be/wBLTyWB5NUw
Hopefully now he’s stuck in Oz hell open a surf school at Dee Why.
The local Bahn Mi shop would be
Vui mung!!
Red Herring ….surf school?
Stunned mullets
Sounds a bit Jim Suss ……oops Sasse
I’ve tried to get smthn goin with surfads but it’s an empty vessel masquerading as a showboat.
I’ve always got Party Pete.
He really gets me.
Hard as nails too.
That’s not a mad board. A mad board would be asym, with venturis poking out of the tail and fins that are different sizes and different locations.
Has there been genuine out there experimentation since the tinker tail boards 40 years ago? Even those funky golf ball and rippled channel bottoms are 30 years old.
Golf Ball Bottom ! My mate came back from the North Shore with a bright orange Willis Bros Golf Ball Bottom Gun , which he then lent to the sheriff ( my best friend and local enforcer ) , who I then proceeded to run over leaving him with a hole in the foot ,requiring five stitches and a large ding …… eventually our friendship survived and I , from that point onwards have avoided ( trying to run over at all costs ) experimental boards .
pretty sure the dimple bottom was only ever done after a shaper suspected his sander was making moves on his daughter but couldn’t catch him in the act. “only 4 today mate, you can knock off as soon as you are finished”
If only the shaper’s daughter’s ( and not the boards ) bottom was dimpled , then he would have had nothing to worry about
Hydrofoil asym boogie boards are THE FUTURE!!!
haven’t heard mention of the golf ball bottom boards for years. always wondered how they’d go.
https://hanalei-fins.surf/
These guys are pretty mad… lots of crazy but functional fins
Great article Derek, really enjoyed it
(PS kelly could surf on a door…or a plank of wood)
Only Tom Curren , could surf on a door ….or plank of wood ….and probably does ?
Tom Curren has the on-camera enthusiasm of a door…or plank of wood.
Remember when he smoked Matt Hoy on whatever that thing was? God tier.
I watched Bunker77 the other day on Amazon – he was riding some weird looking shapes that looked unrideable. He might have been able to in his prime.
kelly could have a one way conversation with a door about how good he is.
The doors of perception.
Torquay Boardriders (I think it was) used to have a comp each year where you had to ride the weirdest surfboard. I think Browny took out an actual door and Mark Phipps took out a mannequin and tried to paddle it but the arms broke off.
Two great surfers ….. had the joy to surf with Browny , who was up to see crew from Piping Hot ,at big Cronulla point in the 80s and see Phipps in the final of the World Amateurs at Lacanau October 92 .
Browny is still surfing around here and still ripping. I see him quite a bit these days. Mark Phipps shaped me a board in about 1994, one of the Qstix before he moved to France. Great board.
or a coffee table.
If you make him a set of skis next time it will still be an improvement on the Sci-fis.
Snapped my mate’s one a month or two ago, didn’t realise how piss weak the construction was until I got a good look at the cross-section. Styrofoam, with slightly thicker foam up the middle. Admittedly I got pinned on the rocks at this break and even a brick shithouse of a board would have been in trouble. Never been so happy to snap a leggie.
Yeah that’s EPS for ya. Same shit as you find in the packaging at JB Hi-Fi. That’s where JS got the name for his epoxys.
I preferred the Sanity model
Mate I must say riding a cymatic been lucky on that – fucking bombproof
Have you found a better board than the Cymatic since? It really was a good board, wasn’t it? Never got to ride one
Sci-fis were sick imo
I liked my Sci-fi, I guess that tells you all you need to know about me. The ability to admit your own failings is the first step to overcoming them or some shit like that?
Haha they’re probably good mate I’m just talking shit on them cos they’re Kelly’s.