Too much nanny state?
Melbourne is the home of UrbnSurf, Australia’s first commercial wave tub or “basin” as Joe Turpel refers to them.
It’s also the home of a muddy little ditch called the Yarra River where an environmentalist has called pollution by EPS foam (used in Firewire surfboards), “disrespectful.”
EPS foam, also called Expanded Polystyrene or Styrofoam, is a petrochemical polymer and the core material used for almost all Asian surfboard production, including of course, our beloved Kelly Slater surfboard designs.
The consumer use of EPS is under threat from an Australian government initiative designed to cut down on plastic waste.
Last week the federal govt bought forwards a planned phase out of EPS for consumer products from 2025 to 2022. In a National Plastics Plan the government has said it would consider regulatory action if industry phase-outs didn’t happen.
In a sign of the times, forward-thinking manufacturer Hayden Cox of Hayden shapes surfboards, creator of the biggest selling surfboard of all time, the Hypto-Krypto, has already diversified his offerings to include PE construction which is a surfboard made with a PU core and epoxy resin.
That’s not new technology; it’s been refined over many years by shaper/designers including Maurice Cole.
PU or polyurethane-cored surfboards have been the industry standard since 1950’s when WW2 technology was used to replace the prevailing balsa board standard. PU has been denigrated as dinosaur technology in comparison to the use of EPS and epoxy but in actual fact PU was not formulated until 1937 by Dr Otto Bayer, while EPS was accidentally discovered in 1839 by German apothecary Eduard Simon which makes PU the far more modern material.
EPS gained a huge leg-up in the market when US blank manufacturer Gordon “Grubby” Clark walked away from his factory on “Black Monday” Dec 5, 2005, citing excess green tape in California.
In the ensuing blank shortage, surfboard manufacturers were forced to incorporate alternatives into the blank mix.
Floridian mad cat Greg Loehr, an early proponent of EPS/Epoxy construction was so bullish at the time he claimed anyone left behind still using PU blanks and polyester resins would be “mowing his lawn” in the near future.
That did not come to pass.
Overwhelmingly, we still shred on our PU/PE’s.
Somehow, despite being branded by Heidi Tait of the Marine Debris Initiative as a “horrifying blight” on the marine environment, EPS has come to be branded as the more ECO-friendly material to use as a core to build surfboards with.
A true victory in marketing and greenwashing.
Our favourite agent-provacateur against EPS boards and Asian production more generally is the flamboyant Peter Schroff, who built his empire in the 80’s. He is not Robinson Crusoe, of course.
Many, many others have either joined in the off-shoring or been equally vocal in less artistic ways. Long-time San Diegan shaper Tim Bessel described the use of styrofoam to me as a “plague” and an environmental nightmare.
Why use EPS?
It’s incredibly light and incredibly cheap.
Unlike Polyurethane (PU) it doesn’t have to be blown by surfboard specific manufacturers into surfboard shaped blanks. Any old EPS can be hotwired and used.
Which makes it perfect for mass-production in Asia.
And, to be fair, for certain backyard applications.
Phasing out of EPS for surfboard production would, in effect, be a tax on Asian surfboard production. It would be a huge boon for local surfboard manufacturers, a giant blow to Firewire and others, including Wavestorms and other soft tops.
Not insurmountable.
There is some PU/PE mass production in Asia, notably Indonesia. Smaller operators like HaydenShapes can pivot, and have already done so.
But the retooling and loss of profit margin would damage market share immensely for Firewire.
Potential high times in the surfing board biz.
Major competitors’ biz models being taken out by government fiat.
Unprecedented demand due to Covid kooks and stimulus checks being spent on new whips.
Lack of workers.
I see many price hikes in the near future.
Might be high times to get the quiver sorted now.
How do you see?
Too much nanny state, let my people ride EPS?
Or fcuk that horrible stuff, makes shitty surfboards anyway.
Me: the latter, very much so.
I have enjoyed the last couple of campaigns now that they use all the computerised graphics. Means I can actually understand just what the fuck is going on instead of watching boats on water.
He always looks to me like he’d actually quite like to just stop surfing CT, start smoking cigarettes, and work as a tire repair guy or something anonymous.
Always had me fucked why surfers get up in arms so much over an oil rig, or shooting a shark in the forehead, yet riding waves on one of the most toxic substances known to man is cool.
Best “eco” board is one with a thicker glass job that lasts a lifetime.
6+6/6+4?
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ooohhhhhh nice. Very envious. Hear nothing but good things about those Desert Storm’s and Webster boards in general. Is someone importing them in or you go direct? How big? You gotta take me surfing someday up there!.
I’m in your hood 2nd week of April but hell no will I be paddling out if I need that thing
Ha! Sing out when you’re here, we can kook it out.
GOING STRAIGHT
I prefer the word lateral instead of straight.
Hitting town tomorrow arvoish – ChUR
Could be alright over the next couple of days… Ill check in the morning!
Just off ferry can you direct message on this platform?
Txt 0274933840
Some fun little runners on the point.
A bit fat, and high tide won’t help. But Munga on dark or even graveyards (first carpark past mungas)
I’m off to beach now… Munga, meatworks even graveyards will all be breaking. I’m in black hi lux. Little white dog. Orange mid or mal with
Kid on blue bodyboard
8’6. Ordered straight from Webby.
And yes, anytime.
8’6″ wowzers!
Yeah, it’s a beast.
There’s actually a handful of spots here where it’d come in handy.
Gave it a test run – just to feel it out – in just OH waves – and it was a hoot. Even got a little cover up.
and don’t forget having a strong Spine in the s/bd…it’s called a stringer….if you don’t have a spine….you are spineless!
Ya PU is much cleaner and better for the environment. That’s why Clark Foam was forced to shut down in Cali.
He also tried his best to blacklist anyone using/promoting epoxy resin as he knew EPS foam would cut into his market.
Australia has regressed to the point of absurd. Nanny state run by the fun police. Don’t let catch you laughing after 9pm when your out and about.
But doing it on the air mattress one may make a rad baby.
Did Grubby “walk away” or was he “EPA’ed away”?
Either way, huge fan.
read his fax and make up your own mind.
sounds like he was EPA’d away.
He wasn’t forced to do anything. He voluntarily shut down after he got sued after a 35 year old employee died from cancer. The lawsuit alleged that employees would heat up their lunches in the same microwave that they would use to heat up toluene diisocyanate.
He also destroyed his molds out of spite.
edit: He also would sell blanks at a loss to force new competitors out of business. He would also threaten to cut off shapers who bought blanks from his competitors. The dude was a straight asshole.
There’s a great podcast with Clyde Beatty jr where he goes into detail about how Clark did everything he could to stop him from bringing eps and epoxy resin to the market.
Does that mean the ecoboard accreditation by firewire is a con?
https://www.firewiresurfboa…
I’ve have a single EPS board I got off Tom, and I appreciate the floatiness for my unwieldy lard, but can’t say I’d like to continue to collect them.
Never ridden an eps board. Rusty swears by heavily glassed, dense eps core guns, though.
And happy to say that the quiver is complete now. 5’10 fish to 8’6 gun (and 9’3 log).
But yeah, fcuk the nanny state.
Oz is the biggest Nanny state
Ever been to NZ?
Are you not friends with Jacinda on Facebook?!?
Aunt Lydia? No, sorry.
Yeah they actually might be number one come to think of it
There’s no place like home, there’s no place like home.
Great! Can we now move to the Outerknown alpaca foam?
I told ya all that epoxies are fucken shit.
Especially in Vic where light winds are few and far between.
Got an EPS for a groveler and it snapped right quick.
I have a 4’6″ EPS soft top twin. It’s fine for messing around in marginal waves, but I would never get a real board made of that crap.
i wonder what is going to happen to the national champs business, the MF’ers are good little foamies they have eps cores I believe… they outlaw local beer and the surfies be broke
I don’t mind them. They have got that corky kind of bounce in them which I like but some people hate. Mostly I like the way they float high in the water. I can feel the PU flex way more in turns though.
see ya never fucken learn anything of substance on these forums…epoxy is a fucken resin , and only a resin, it’s so superior to Polyester resin , stronger, better flex , less toxic , more expensive , but get stronger over the life of the board……harder to use…but if you put Epoxy resin on normal Poly -Urethane blank…..that’s the best combo by far…..
So the Epoxies you refer to especially the Asian made ones are cheaply made boards where shapers and the big volume el cheapo’s like Firewire….just make more profit…stringerless, which to me is spineless…how fucken strong is your spine wigs????
You’re dead right Brutus.
I came on here late as I didn’t want to destroy LT’s fictional adventure into surfboard materials and which one is best…..then you read all the quotes and peoples twisted idea’s on materials that have been used for 30 years or more……Tom Curren won a couple of contests on a Expanded PS /Epoxy in 1991…made a couple of thousand late 80’s…….and here we are in 2021 , still floundering around and no fucken idea about materials/design……no wonder surfing has become so mediocre…because the journalists are so fucken technically barren……LOL
Those boards are so beyond fucked, only guys who had all the gear and no idea were enthusiasts.
This entire time I thought EPS stood for Enviromentally Protected
Surfboards
Expanded poof sphincter? Eternally putrid surfing?
Exaggerated Paddling Style?
“Phase out expanded polystyrene (EPS) in loose fill and moulded consumer
packaging (July 2022), and food and beverage containers (December 2022)” from page 5 in the actual National Plastics Plan 2021 pdf (in the link u attached) read the actual fucking plan u muppet!! its about consumer packaging and food products. Say nothing about any other products and there is a shitload of EPS products in the market… but this is just typical Beachgrit doing what they do best, reporting without a care for keeping it real..sad!!
Who gets to page five?
Thats current plan.
There has been talk of expanding, pardon the pun, to other consumer EPS uses.
Could easily happen.
Which makes premise of article correct.
You know, it actually doesn’t make the premise of the article correct.
Currently, end product use of EPS isn’t under threat no matter how much you say “there’s talk” of it. You provided no evidence in the article and only raised it here in the comments, which makes me think you made it up and are right now madly Googling for something, anything, that backs up this “talk” cos it sure as fuck isn’t in the plan you linked to.
Reckon this whole piece is a thought bubble that should’ve been popped before you got the keyboard out.
He’s been off his game lately
Not quite true actually.
the premise of the article came from the Yarra clean-up and the marine debris initiative…… both of which reference a variety of end use EPS.
Go look at the dump and see how much EPS there is floating around just from discarded boogie boards for eg.
might be a bit of a long bow to draw but when it comes to nanny state over-reach, particularly on plastic pollution which this fed govt has latched onto as a cause du jour, it’s very far from an unreasonable position.
We’ll see.
https://movementmag.com/rea…
Dude, be humble enough to own your mistake … you can’t hit a home every time
ah but is it Extruded or Expanded……I was going to comment…there is a huge difference between Extruded and Expanded…one is dirty rotten filthy toxic and the other is horrible land fill……
Well, a lesson for all of us.
That’ll teach me to believe everything I read on BG!
Do you know of any more trustworthy surf blogs I can visit?
stab
without defining Extruded vs Expanded Polystyrene , should have been better journalism explaining the differences , and the difference in Extruded vs Expanded…why one is so cheap and the other very expensive?
Marko Foam in California I would say is the biggest proponent of Expanded PS…..has an Expanded PS blank range and a Blank made with recycled Expanded PS.
I have shaped a lot of them and also the recycled one which is a below average blank as it’s very crumbly to shape as is Expanded PS compared to PU.
I find PU is the marble in the shaping world , and Expanded PS is like shitty sandstone to shape…….Extruded is harder to shape and laminate…ask Fletch at Patagonia Ventura….he loves em!
It’s amazing to see that in the Global s/bd market the Chinese have been unable to replicate PU foam…still import heaps from Australia…….but Firewire use the cheapest shittiest Expanded PS….cost would not surpass $10 a blank….so I see Expanded PS as an inferior foam compared to PU……..and then we go onto the discussion about to ” have a spine or not in your S/bd?”, what materials are best for stringers , what about Flex/Torsion etc….
Sorry to say but after watching and reading this LT discussion there is just more confusion……less clarity…….no wonder Surfing is seen by other water sports as Neanderthal in its application of technology and lack of new forward thinking design……
longtom needs to transfer you whatever he got paid for this article. Can we get this wedge of cheese a reporting position at beach grit, or am i going to have to get a job and shell out for stab premium…
The phase out doesn’t involve end use plastics, only, according to the plan “moulded consumer
packaging (July 2022), and food and beverage containers (December 2022).”
Yes, for now.
Waste in the Yarra is mostly end use and building .
Other uses could easily follow suit.
your writing looks like you sucked in a bit too much epoxy fume
It’s the house style.
Solvent prose.
Just make Vicco part of NZ and WA part of Indo and good riddance.
You spelt fuk wrong.
Na can someone please just save us from this dictatorship? Indo or PNG – if you’re reading this – we need your help! Please kill our government, scientists, feminists, religious figures and environmentalists immediately. I promise to work in your labour camps and cop bamboo up my dick hole every night just please don’t make any new laws or ban anything else.
It’s a blessing to see Dan had a stack on his electric scooter
Don’t get well soon ya dickhead
https://youtu.be/v3H4ZNmgZfI
Heard he fell down the stairs?
Shame this wasn’t a video of the dictator himself.
He lies about everything
Or can’t recall
POS
God bless that car.
Bad carma
Took it like a champ though and just went walkabout after like it was nothing.