Naming debate gets extensively reported by famous bourgeoise media house!
Don’t you love a little of what a small-town boy might call legitimacy?
Earlier today, The NY Times, that elitist and bourgeoise, but generally above-board, digital-and-print newspaper, ran a comprehensive story on the debate surrounding the naming of Albee Layer’s backside alley-oop 540.
Called, “When a surfer lands a skateboard trick, who gets to name it?” reporter Matt Ruby gets into it with Todd Richards (whose evangelising on the subject sold me good, read that here), Albee, Tony Hawke, Kelly Slater and so on.
Excerpts:
Slater’s frustration with the situation is palpable. “We’ve got snowboarders trying to tell us how to name surf maneuvers,” he said. “I don’t know a single surfer trying to do the opposite and name snowboard maneuvers. We should all know enough to know we should stay in our lane.”
“It’s more about progressing and sticking things cleanly in sections that make sense for those maneuvers. If you force something and it looks bad it doesn’t really matter how much you rotated unless it’s a full 180+ more than anything that has been landed.” — Kelly Slater, on the importance of calculating degrees of rotation.
“The cultures are different and surfers might not know what skaters have called something or maybe each sport wants ownership on some level of their respective maneuvers. Also, in surfing something we all agree is done on the forehand can be regarded as a backhand maneuver in skate or snow because they have a stagnant surface.” — Kelly Slater on the importance of parity between sports.
In the End, Who Gets to Decide?
“It’s up to them, and for sure because they’re speaking to their tribe that’s gonna translate better and then you know as skateboarders we just kind of sit back and snicker … it’s kind of like how snowboarding they coined the term frontside indy which doesn’t exist in skateboarding and it’s sort of a taboo to say but I understand how that came to be.” — Tony Hawk on the who gets to decide in the end.
“Surfers are going to look ridiculous calling something that has been done in a different sport by a different name,” Richards said. “It is about paying respect to the people who came first and pioneered the tricks. They killed themselves to put their names on tricks.”
I agree. Yuval Noah Harari said the same in “ A Brief History of Mankind “ . Now if only we could have 1950’s uncrowded lineups with 2018 health and something post 85 to enjoy it on .
you should, it seems he has plagiarised your work.
Walter, I love you, but sooner or later, you’re going to have to face the fact you’re a goddamn moron.
the dude, the big Lebowski.
*great
Anyone that tell’s you doing airs on a surfboard is easy or no different than skating or snowboarding is either decently competent in various board sport or is completely speaking out their ass due to inability/lack of experience. If you skate, but cannot surf your input is greatly diminished.
Have you heard the ‘Grey Album’?
S’fukin amazing and I really ain’t a usual Jz listener.
Mind you it’s Dangernouse who put all the elements together.
Have you just finished reading hans roslings book?
Quantum theroy are cortcor by know the observer changes the outcome.
Good idea. Call in the Physicists . They know more about the path taken by a body as it moves through space than surfers and people from those other concrete and ice peripheral sports derived from surfing ?Bit like if Rugby sevens or indoor cricket started telling the big boys and girls in their respective sports ,like surfing with centuries of history , how to name positions , shots or moves . “ Today indoor cricket decided from now on that fielders in a catching position next to the wicket keeper behind the wickets on the off side will no longer be fielding in slips but in their undies “ ?
wtf is a cricket, is that what they call those little grasshoppers? i’m confused…
Next time you phone the bank and someone in India takes the call , they will be able to tell you all about cricket 🏏.Just like the Jamaicans , the Indians don’t like cricket ,they love it man .
No skaters ever answer – is a floater a 50/50 or the other way around? What’s the rotation on a cutback? That a 360? Top turn a 180? Toe and heal turns on a snowboard called bottom turns? Seems like this needs to be an all or nothing rule on names.
i can’t believe the ny times paid someone to write this. smdh.
Shoulda been you, Jen.
Oh gawd, I don’t think I could have summoned anywhere near the required gravitas for this story! The New York Times! I would have a hard time taking this whole thing sufficiently seriously.
It was probably featured right after “How to make matzo balls the Traditional Way!”.
In the no-one gives a fuck section, Lifestyles and Living.
“Slater’s frustration with the situation is palpable.”
This is something Slater should be able to name.
Like, for instance, calling it a “palpable frustration”.
Don’t thank me, Mr Slater.
Here’s an idea: Until you’ve landed it, don’t worry about naming it.
What adds insult to injury is all these old vanilla pros of various board sport coming out of the woodwork airing their obviously biased opinions and the media circle jerk over their supposed greatness.
I got 99 problems but a trick ain’t one.
Stopped reading after “Slater’s frustration with the situation is palpable.”
‘A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds’ – Ralph Waldo Emerson
“Yabba Dabba Doo!” – Fred Flintstone
“Doh!” – Homer (The Iliad)
fuck you… 2f2s
You cant own something you didnt create. When you do something literally hundreds if not thousands of people have done over the years before you, they kinda take precedent considering their depth of knowledge in that manuever.
Or just be like wakeboarding and call it whirlybird 900000 powerups or what ever the fuck they call thier tricks
They should paddle out do a few and then can name it whatever they like. Fact is, surfers are the ones doing the airs water. Water is not as objective of a setup as a ramp. It’s not the same and until Tony Hawk can throw revo’s consistently he is of no importance.
Tell Surfing Australia that, they went and built a mini ramp with a foam pit to teach kids full rotations in consistent conditions. Why you ask? Because it actually is transferable to surfing. Imagine that…
You guys just so want to be sooooo special, but you arent. You are just as mediocre as everyone else. Your choice of craft and riding surface make no difference. You are soccer, you are tennis, you are middle aged clinging to child hood. There is absolutely nothing special about how you or I choose to ride a wave. Also surfing rotations should count exactly like snowboard half pipe rotes. Its the same exact thing whether the surf moves or not
I didn’t ask why… but since you went down that road, how would rolling into a perfectly placed ramp help anything other than your ability to spin? We’re talking about riding waves. Concerning reverses, the act of actually spinning is a small part of the equation. Reading a wave, catching the wave, determining down the line characteristics and how you should position yourself in regards to a section that hasn’t fully formed are all far more important that knowing how to spin your body. No shit hucking yourself off a skate ramp into a spin will probably help you spin, but it will not help you surf. It’s people that surf that incorporate the mechanics of spinning into a maneuver while surfing hence my point that just because you can spin on a skateboard doesn’t immediately give you say over surfing maneuvers. The kids hitting that ramp at Surfing Australia are surfers. They aren’t kids from bumfuck nowhere with marginal surf experience that after a few runs on the ramp are out in the water landing airs consistently. Whether the surf moves or not? Are you really trying to discount the crux of the entire debate by denying the importance of a wave ‘s fluid and changing nature as opposed to the static nature of a half pipe? You want to be soooo contrarian that you’re failing to see the forest for the trees. Choice of craft and riding surface make no difference? None? To spout-off some shit like that makes you an utter fuckwit.
I am going to not take into account the act of reading a wave and its fluid motion. Because surfing isnt some magical witch craft that point is moot the second you leave the lip. The entirety of aerial surfing is owed to skateboarding. Hard fucking stop.
For fuck sake quit thinking surfing is special. Its not. Its just a dumb activity we all do for fun. Theres really nothing higher to it
I AM absolutely discounting the entire fluid movement of the wave. Because again its pointless to the rotation.
Anyone who surfs, skates or snowboards knows how absolutely different they are from one another. Only kooks in each discipline think they’re alike. I have spent alot of time in all three and think they each command their own respect and terminology. Badminton aint tennis. Ping pong aint raquet ball. This whole bs of naming the trick from another disipline is like comparing Hendrix to Blink 182. Make up your own shit.
Ps not dissing Blink. They’re just not Jimi.
I do all three.
Poorly.
I also rollerblade and body board.
Have you informed your parents about ……. cough um ah rollerblading ?
When i was 15 I would tell them I was going nude sunbaking with old guys down at rockspiders cove and go blading instead. I figured it was less embarrassing to the family. I think my mum knew but she just played along so as not to disappoint my dad.
MAINTAIN THE RAGE ! In this case stay Phat-wan and don’t be a Sir John ?
you do daredevil too?, cause you’re on fire…
Blink 182 and Hendrix still used the same notes.
Blink didn’t start their own note language/ logic.
Surfers emulate skate/snowboard airs so why not keep the trick names consistent?
Subtitle: “What the FUCK is Kelly Slater talking about? Episode 7,652.”
Ha!
I hope you’re having a good laugh, Derek.
Dragging this back into the spotlight.
Surf Ranch is not surfing.
They are riding the wake generated by the foil as it moves forward in standing water powered by a cable-driven propulsion contraption.
Therefore you don’t surf at Surf Ranch, you wakeboard sorta and skurf sorta. But you definitely can’t name it surfing.
I’d call it smurfing cause a surfing traditionalist finds it depressing, or in other words makes you feel blue.
Wakeboarding.
You’re right. It wasn’t fair of me to bring the smurfs into the discussion. They’re a jovial bunch and live in mushrooms.
Oh no, it’s all good, Otto
I can picture Chris n Toad all blue hanging out underneath a mushroom.
Chris waiting for his next gig and Toad waiting for the Olys.
And Kelly is Gargamel. He uses smurfs to make gold.
I halfway think he’s behind the wsl air show initiative.
Get the airs out of regular competition or limit them and cripple the scoring as much as you can and that way he … nah he’s fukked, done. Apart from barrels, he’s an outside chance at Chopes and Pipe.
Kelly is only a tool used by the upper management.
Thanks to bring them into the discussion! There is this important question I always wanted to ask: has anyone seen the smurfette naked? I always wondered if she is a real blue.
Only when she left me and realized the error of her ways . She got dem smurfette blues .