Long way to a ham sandwich but maybe food for thought!
Dear WSL Elite,
If I were surfing’s equivalent of a social justice warrior I would certainly demand a recount on the dimpled/hanging chad of the Italo/Kolohe final at Snapper. I would demand that your judges reconvene and rewind the tape and recount every drop of water displaced to right the injustice of scoring because my guy didn’t win. I would call you racist against Californians and hold my breath and start some half-ass hashtag that only covers one side of this issue in an attempt to drum up a narrative. Something like #OhBrother or #NotMySnapperChamp. Seeing how well that has gone for the far right and the far left in politics, I am here to take a kinder and more gentle approach to push for change.
What Snapper highlighted was something we already knew about your judging, it is objective. Objectivity is a strange beast as it cannot be distilled down into quantifiable inputs backed by non-biased data. It can be distilled into a number based on rules and criteria, but “that’s like your opinion, man” [said in my best Tommy Chong voice]. I don’t often have a problem with this. It works in the Olympics. It works in the X-Games. That being said, the World Tour is a completely different beast.
Unlike the Olympics, the World Tour is a string of events and the objectivity in judging has its obvious flaws when a judge is asked to pretend that every wave they are seeing is a single instance of performance. You are asking judges to continually forget performance in previous events and ignore title implications. You are asking judges to do what they can not- to turn off being human, shut down their memory, avoid creating a narrative, and avoid picking a team to root for.
Also, from what I am to understand, the Judges do not have any term limits and there are no conditions on how long they can remain in their role. You have essentially appointed an unelected surfocracy whereby we, as fans, are expected to never question the rulings of any of your panel and take their objectivity at face value. As we have seen throughout the annals of time, any non-elected body with an indefinite or permanent residency in a position of power often undermines the trust of the people. ***Cough Big Banking*** Cough CEOS*** Cough SCOTUS*** Almost every time someone tells you to trust them blindly, they are not worthy of trust and you, WSL, are rapidly approaching that inflection point. Your judging panel presents the same problem. Over time, your judges may be emboldened with power and may feel as if any questioning of their absolute power of determination of the World Title victor as a usurping of their divine gift of wave scoring.
I myself have found myself questioning calls over the years and know others have as well. I have seen online demands for a restructuring of the scoring, but will not push for change as radical as I feel that would be the functional equivalent of surfing’s Green New Deal- well-intentioned but ruinous to most of the things we hold dear. Instead, I would like to propose six-year “term limits” on CT judges (and Supreme Court Justices if anybody in the Judicial Branch of the US Federal government is reading). Moreover, I would like to propose that you create a bigger pool of Judges (you too SCOTUS) that are assigned, at random, to CT and QS events so each event is judged by a panel of divergent viewpoints and opinions.
Another further recommendation we the surfers would like to make is to remove the judges from the beach entirely and send them videos of the scoring waves to a clandestine war-room where they have to score in a vacuum, away from the energy and excitement of a crowd that can sway a decision. To pretend that Judges aren’t human and incapable of being swayed by an uproar of excitement from the beach is not only misguided, but it is also unfair to the judges who are being asked to make a fair and objective scoring evaluation in an environment filled with cheers, jeers, cowbells, and applause.
To your credit, this style of judging worked great for many years. Those around my age will remember getting snippets of contests from ABC World Wide of Sports or getting results weeks later in a magazine. We weren’t with you there. We didn’t have a live feed. We weren’t privy to live last-minute heroics or a swinging insider that could upend a likely heat winners victory. We had no reason to question you. But times have changed, and now, what was once a news feed is now a jetstream of bullshit and negativity that pushes to us a new negative headline every seven minutes. We have fun depression inducers in our pocket with apps where we can hide behind the anonymity of bravado and call each other “cucks” and “morons” without ever having to face the likelihood of getting socked in the mouth. That being said, you gave us these contests to watch live, and now that we have the full picture and can rewatch and dissect- you’re under the microscope and we have opinions about your opinions. We share our opinions on social media. The surfing community is not the shaggy hair stoners in a parking lot at the beach anymore; it is global, it is interconnected and online. As a result of all of the above, we talk and we’re all talking about you.
Any effort you make to increase the subjectivity and decrease the objectivity of your judging would be greatly appreciated, but I know you probably won’t listen. Also, I really understand how ironic it is that I am writing a letter to the WSL to ask them to change something that literally has no bearing on my day-to-day life and is frankly unimportant in the grand scheme of things but hey, I am a surfer who essentially blows off obligations to play in the ocean on a glorified pool toy, so from where I am sitting, this is pretty much par for the course.
What do you have to lose though? If you do it, you get to essentially tell a bunch of grumpy locals to go pound sand for complaining. If you don’t, well, we’re just going to sit here and whine, because as I eluded to before, surfers are pretty much children- especially those of us who watch contests.
Long way to a ham sandwich but maybe food for thought.
Respectfully yours,
THE ANIMAL CHIN
All I know is Italo looked like a monkey Fing a football and won, does style count anymore?
Objective, subjective? Give me a job! Surely they can spot “woods for trees”? But ugly forced surfing should not rule! They only have to ensure surfer who did best surfing on the best waves, wins the f#cking heat!
Give them the right to express themselves !!
“What Snapper highlighted”…
What comp were you watching mate?
how far is D-bah from Snaps…..
Far enough to call it a different spot.
Haha!!!!!
“Willie The Goat”
Would it make sense for all the judges to be in separate rooms, with no knowledge of the scores given by other judges or the score status of the heat whatsoever?
Surfing is not a millennial-like snowflake in this regard. The NBA is far worse offender – if you like someone you give him big scores. In the case of Michael Jordan back in the day, he got away with murder because the crowd came to see him dunk the crap out of a ball.
https://www.nytimes.com/200…
In surfing, if the boss lady tells a judge to lean in the way of a preferred revenue stream (Brazillian Real) you damn well do it or you judge no more…
Don’t worry, in a few years time we’ll have AI judges and all subjectivity will vanish
Don’t worry, in a few years time we’ll have AI judges and all humans will vanish.
FIFY
More likely we’ll become slaves
There was a doco I saw where it said we are all actually batteries already and fed some bullshit dreams to keep us from suspecting.
I dunno.
My steak tastes pretty good.
That’s an interesting theory. I heard someone say we will ultimately just become the “sex organs for machines”… that freaked me the fuck out.
We’d make shit slaves, at best we’ll end up as pets.
Only the cute ones, the rest will be put down
hashtag: notbrothertoo
Sorry, the keyboard seems to have lost it’s hashtag option.
The judges get appointed, theoretically at least, by their ability to accurately judge performance that meets the criteria as stated prior to each days event. I’ve seen plenty of horrific calls, especially in the amateur ranks, but for fucks sake, you think appointing judges with term limits will help? What are their credentials? Uh, see my first sentence. Every fuckin human on earth has an agenda and that will never change. For the most part the judges do well enough and the right person wins. What’s truly pathetic is the surfers themselves are fucking laughing at US. Take that shit to the bank.
Wake up and smell the concrete. I.e. know your history and search for animal chin haole.
Your rant is too long. Like kolohes 1st wave. Full of hits and hard to deny. Be like italo. Short and full of empty salesmanship of 1 decent sentence.
agree..this fucking sucks already
Interesting proposal.
I would prefer there to be only one judge at each tour stop, tied forever to a rock with a decent view of the lineup. Liver to be pecked at by seagulls, rabid fans and internet warriors.
I found him ! Greek , Olympian , not afraid of a Titanic struggle . I can just see the press release from ELo
“The WSL is proud to present after an extensive world wide search , Backwards Fin Beth ( audience laughs ) .Just kidding .We also asked Jesus but he muttered Curren-like something about being stoned and judging ( more laughs and a cast stone ? ).Anyway without further ado let me introduce to you a real Godlike Pro , the bringer of fire and civilization to mortals ,and also their preserver, giving them all the arts and sciences as well as the means of survival and now , your New WSL Head Judge . Please put your hands together for Prometheus ……..”.
could not think a worse idea than moving judges off site. I want them on the beach, in the middle of a pack of rabid and outraged fans screaming obscenities at them. I want surfers flicking them off from the water, charging the tower, going nose to nose with them.
if this wasnt the most compelling image of last years NBA season i dont know what was… give me surfing’s version of this
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Term limits for judges… hard to believe any system would allow lifetime appointments. Great read, AC.
Comedy is spot on, the premise is tongue in cheek, and the controversy will never end unfortunately.
Maybe, just maybe, surfing was never meant to be a “sport”?
Just maybe Hippie is correct again,!
But you’ll get it anyways cause you know who has got to sell trash that no one needs! And mom and dad have got to have Johnny and Sally as the star surfer in the community!
I think you just totally summed it up, that surfing is a lifestyle, a relationship with the ocean and nature…….
“Cough The Tribe”
Fukken rigged cunts
is that like “Nelly The Elephant” ?
or
“Winnie The Pooh”?
It seems surfing is the only sport on earth where the judges are ‘hidden’ from view during an event. Even in the Olympics the judges are in full view of the spectators and even televised, and they can still make an objective score. Why all this secrecy? Do they even let the public know who the specific judges are at surf contest??
Is this any better if you read all of it?
Edit: sorry, that was passive aggressive.
This is utterly shite.
tight. yes not bad, worth the read. not sure if I agree with it, but worth thinking about. they do need to fix the judging.
Agreed
It was a fucken annoying one to get through.
especially the demonstrations of lack of knowledge regarding the US Constitution and Scotus. Yeah, we should all write letters to recommend term limits for Scotus or expand the number of people on the court, that wouldn’t be hard to do just a little amendment to the Constitution?
The premise was OK the execution was extremely annoying.
I think it’s a thought provoking piece. Granted, it’s mainly thoughts of how fucking idiotic that plan would be to implement. However, it does invite scholarly discussion in the BG comments section where critical thinking is encouraged, opposing opinions are welcomed, and ideas are gently nurtured into global problem solving solutions.
Shit ideas but most of all shit writing.
You can’t slag off The Inertia then publish this.
As Al Hunt would say as he scrutineered scorecards post-heat; dull, rusty shank in hand, “Look, I’m not here to judge, but…”
You got anything better to do?
I liked it.
I am bored. Hear me roar.
Mate, I am proud to get an occasional post published here because of the quality of the writers, writing and ideas.
This ticks none of those boxes.
His last post was shite, and I bit my tongue, and he’s not even a commenter I’m familiar with.
Writing is a bit like surfing: not a democracy, and not something you just pick up overnight.
I suspect this is a usual suspect rebranded.
At least they tried and put some flesh onto what could be a 50 word moan down here.
I acknowledge it is not up to your esteemed standard but hey… it’s better than Chas pulling 300 words of egregious conjecture out of his ass (blessed be the holy provider of content) just to throw something up for the day.
Meh, I’m not complaining. But no beef with you either, just tickling yer sporran.
But it’s not better than that. Chas can write. And what he does on a daily basis is borderline miraculous.
And I do appreciate your defence. What I commented was harsh, I thought about it for a second or two. But in the end I decided that I needed to speak up for standards.
I just want to see good writing, that’s all. Not everything I write is good. When it isn’t I’ll confine it to the trash. Or if it slips through the net I’ll read it and re-read endlessly, like a penance. And I’ll try to make damn sure I’m better next time.
In 7 words or less, what is good writing?
That should be 7 words or fewer.
Well it was worth a try
Besides, you done wrote nine words, not seven.
Eight if you don’t include the numeral.
Relevant to this thread – CB did you find the easter egg I buried in an old thread for you? I haven’t had a reply and it’s made me so terribly sad 🙁
If you didn’t see it, check your disqus notifications from last week Tuesday. But otherwise I’ll just stay so terribly awfully sad, no biggie…
Oh!
No!
I’ll check!
I’m not sure how to do it but I’ll try!
Edit: Just saw it.
holy shit you are amazing.
I bow to your Andino-sized meta-schlong sir.
You have to share this. Too good.
Please keep updating!
Thanks – I was pretty dang proud of myself. But the meaty flavour of self-appreciation slowly turned into the salty taste of sadness. Maybe once I’ve stopped sulking I’ll share it, but in the meantime I’m finding a certain satisfaction in hiding it in plain sight. Something about cutting off noses to spite faces and all that.
Oh I fully understand that oscillation of feelings. You think you played a banger and it gets no love.
You fully pulled a tail high completely rotated whip to butter landing in this one.
Linky in new article of your choice please.
With joyous praise like that there may yet be hope that my sorry sulky spite will give way!
Ah shit, I just couldn’t help myself…
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I utterly agree. Though god help me I did think, is this Chazz Michael Michaels baiting everyone under a pseudo-pseudonym?
Are you having a laugh, Nick? I couldn’t even put a pseudonym to tripe like this.
I feel a tingle of excitement when I see you have commented on an an article.
They are scoring between 0 and 1000.
That is how they can play so much with the scoring.
It should not go beyond one place holder.
For instance a 7.6 insted of a 7.68
Would change everything.
JJF lost by 0.25.
That is absurd
Well division causes that kind of thing. You’d prefer for some to lose a heat due to rounding?
They are adding not dividing.
third highest score breaks the tie
A tie like this?
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Judges don’t score 7.68 that’s the computer working the average… so 7.6 or 7.7.
?
A 7.5 plus a 7.7 is a total of 15.2.
its the judges using two place holders thats create a situation were they are giving a number between 0-1000,
Its not the computers
Are you on the drugs?
are you a product of australias world renowned school system?
I am not, but I am curious why a basic understanding of how averages work seems to be a really tough concept for you to grasp.
I thought maybe drugs were to blame, are they?
you are going to have to see a doctor. i cant help you
Let’s not blame the computers. You’d get the same fractions using pen and paper.
I wouldn’t because I’m shit at maff.
What if we took 0.01 of a point off Felipe every time his dad whistles? It’s really getting to me… I can’t unhear it now… every Felipe heat ….. that fucking whistle.