Ratcheting down on the public from all sides without proof will sacrifice precious goodwill…
April 5, 2020:
Dear Dr. Kim Prather (and Surfline, the Surfrider lobby, etc),
As someone who is very close to the SARS-CoV-2 mitigation efforts (as a scientist and CEO of a biotech company developing a novel TLR7 agonist to treat SARS-CoV-2) I am very disappointed that you went to the LA Times with very strong claims about a virus you don’t have any data on and have not ever studied.
Have you published any peer reviewed articles on corona viruses and infectivity humans in the ocean?
Do you have any training in virology, public health, immunology, medicine, pandemic mitigation, etc?
No.
Did you help scare the hell out of the public and law enforcement with a lot of claims but no data?
Yes and yes.
The total beach closures that you have promoted have directly led to significant crowding of the coastal roads and walking paths. People are so closely confined in these already constrained areas as they walk that they are spreading the virus to a far greater degree than if they were in the open water or walking along a wide beach.
Come on up to Encinitas and walk Neptune Ave or the Cardiff trail, well done.
If the public continues to get hammered with conjecture as fact from SARS-CoV-2 “experts“, such as yourself and the irrelevant Surfrider lobby, they will eventually lose faith in the necessary process of shared sacrifice and cooperation.
I now cannot walk near my house during the day.
This going to be a very long fight and the public needs to be presented with data, facts, and proof from subject matter experts before major policy changes that have grave knock-on effects are enacted.
If the public continues to get hammered with conjecture as fact from SARS-CoV-2 “experts“ such as yourself and the irrelevant Surfrider lobby, they will eventually lose faith in the necessary process of shared sacrifice and cooperation.
If just three percent of an already highly stressed public says “screw it” then the authorities will immediately lose ALL control.
Since one percent of the population has schizophrenia getting three percent to totally losing it a few months is pretty easy.
Ratcheting down on the public from all sides without proof will sacrifice precious goodwill that we’ll need down the road as the facts on the ground change.
You are not alone.
I have seen a number of others touting breakthroughs and cures with bogus promises of being to treat the public in just a few months, when such options are much further out and that assumes their ideas pan out.
Most of my friends and my childrens’ friends who surf everyday, many at crowded spots, have not gotten sick.
That’s over 100 people surfing crowded spots everyday for months and months.
And, if you account for the huge number of untested and asymptotic virus shedders in SD County, there is a huge probability they have been shedding virus while surfing with all these kids and adults.
Humans have been shedding trillions of infectious viruses and bacteria into the ocean via sewage, run off and simply by being in the ocean. Some of the pathogens that are being released all the time are: e-coli, hepatitis A, influenza, herpes, norovirus, HPV, etc.
And yet the North County surfing public is just fine.
So please, collect coastal zone data to determine if there is in fact infectious SARS-CoV-2 particles in sufficient concentrations (as compared to the crowded Cardiff rail trail) to cause an infection. Then coordinate with the relevant subject matter experts (not the LA Times) to challenge your data and conclusions – in private.
Then you can contribute to peer-reviewed journals and contribute to policy decisions and risk benefit analysis.
Unlike your familiar zone of climate change and politics, the day-to-day decisions we are making regarding SARS-CoV-2 can directly lead to many more deaths.
If the ocean is in fact how the virus can super-spread then I will run ads in the local papers warning of such dangers and happily give you all the credit you would deserve.
Regards,
Charlie McDermott
PS: Dear paid Surfrider activists, please shut up, shelter in place, and do not drive to my neighborhood to spy on my family.
Just love having Dr.’s, “scientists” and researchers in charge. Shut down on work means nothing gets made. Forget Firewires and wetties. What about car parts, meds, tires, deodorant, boxes, paper, dog food, etc…?
2-3 weeks and essential supplies start running out. Here in the USA, stimulus checks and SBA emergency loans don’t help make needed supplies.
Then what?
Chuck, everyone in Cardiff to Oside lineups already has herpes and HPV. You need a different sample population to validate your hypothesis. I hope you’re right but if not, then I can blame any new STDs on surfing!
Crabs can swim, BTW.
On a relevant note, I kept wondering about all the hype surrounding getting sick surfing after a rain, so I decided to take a look at the ACTUAL data. Turns out, the excess risk of getting sick is 12 out of 1,000 surfers – or a grand total of 1.22%. Bahahaha! Surfrider spins their own study to suit their environmental issues. I actually hope they keep hyping it, and I’ll keep enjoying empty lineups for 72 hours post-rain.
Yep, don’t like the message, kill the messenger. Same BS, different mouthpiece. Even if Dr. Prather is dead wrong, misquoted, taken out of context, etc., she’s basically saying what needs to be said: Stay the fuck home.
You just have every conspiracy theorist the green light to do fuck all and ignore common sense.
Good luck on the antivirus though. You’ll make millions.
I’d like to second this. Fuck the Surfrider foundation.
100% they lied and people died.
If you are one of surfings self appointed Judas taddletales and you spend any time policing the police state you should go fuck yourself.
You know I am that bored right now, I’m currently inventing a surf trivia quiz so fucking hard it will be named Impossible and I bet Warshaw won’t be able to crack it.
btw if you really do live at Ehukai, happy days!
Haven’t but will!
Yet they blame Trump. New York is just too many people packed into one place. Plus being inside all those old buildings full of mold and shit that weakens the immune system can’t be good.
Then there’s Jerry Brown cutting funding that would have kept California better prepared. Somehow had 5.4 billion to waste on his bullet train that has nothing to show for.
https://www.google.com/amp/…
Is that Jerry Brown from the Dead Kennedy’s song? He must be fucking old!
Yep. The guy that hung out with Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt at coke parties
news flash: Expert Bags On Expert!
So…. it’s “just, like, your opinion man”. No one knows. From first principles, the fact that everyone isn’t in icu after the last swell, when we had lots of visitors, suggests it’s not going to spread too much. But, the shutdown goes on. Meh. Be interesting to see what happens in the next swell. I reckon this shutdown is mostly about Easter weekend tbh, not so much surfers as much as we are the centre of our own universes….
It takes a week or two to be symptomatic. Let’s hope you are right, OR!
How’s your recovery coming? Can’t wait for the day you post on here that you’re c-free
I’m on the #missiontoremission now…. I’m feeling a lot better, and my 3 month scans were reassuring… another 3 months of chemo and see where we get to. Still no surgical options at this stage. lots of distance to go, but there is a pathway beyond Xmas currently, and I’ll be damned if I don’t throw everything at it….
Right on! You’ve inspired myself, and I think, a lot of others with your courage and positive attitude. Mad respect, OR
“Who Says Its Not Safe To Travel To China?
The coronavirus travel ban is unjust and doesn’t work anyway.”
-NYT Feb 5 2020
I stopped reading the LA Times over a decade ago, they’re obnoxious.
Yes cause if you aren’t used to them they are itchy and you’ll stick your finger under for a scratch.
A doctor said this.
You can’t make this shit up.
my favorite is “they must be fitted properly” other wise they are in effective. oh you mean squeeze the little metal strip to fit my nose.
Slags off scientist for making statements out of her field of expertise.
Gives out free advice about schizophrenia.
Open letters are so fucking lame.
Said the same thing earlier today in a rant that my wife wisely tuned out. In the US, and I assume Oz ain’t far behind, the right is already poisoned to distrust experts. I get the excitement and pressure to go to press with stories like Dr. Prather’s, but to expect a nervous, largely uneducated public to parse what experts say and then to consider it in light of their own knowledge of how science is the process of weeding out unsound ideas, but testing many, is foolish. People will read that experts aren’t sure about X or Y and just assume they don’t know what they’re talking about. But the dolts who just keep yammering that it’s a hoax, or that chloroquine is a miracle cure, or that we need to get back to work, won’t be waffling and will appear decisive and sure of themselves and they will win the narrative.
TL;DR – Fellow media members: Resist the urge to write a story about every thought that enters a researcher’s head these days. Let the data settle.
Quiz: Name the expert who made the following statement-
“blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth”
A: Martin Luther King Jr
B: Bill O’Reilly
C: Albert Einstein
D: Alfred E Neuman
?
Bill oreilly the war hero cricket legend?
He’s a Fox news blow hard guy who sometimes makes a good point when he’s not creedling on the hotties around the news station
Yeah
I miss him.
Who said one of Einstein’s most famous quotes? Hmm…
Was he a right winger?
J. Housman
Dolt expert.
-I believe the guy, but then I don’t because ring wingers are mistrustful dolts and I just realized I might be one of them and also realized I don’t want to work and theses pricks are going to ruin that
Well, this is dead wrong, but, I mean, I already summarized my point accurately at the end there for you.
Fait enough. I just don’t think people are dolts for wanting to get back to work or questioning what we’re being told. People are just dolts in general!
DO YOU SEE AN “E” ANYWHERE IN MY NAME
Not any more.
Prather said her interview was taken out of context: “My week was made even crazier by a reporter who re-taught me the meaning of “out of context”. For those who read it, the LA Times article was a major disappointment — and caused some people extra angst which is not needed right now.”
https://www.facebook.com/ki…
Sounds like she got screwed like the rest of us. Thanks for adding the link 🙂
I can get you a million plus masks no problem!!!!! No joke either!!!!
Just trying to logo them up with Beachgrit somehow – maybe “Beachspit” be better!!
how about an “Anonymous” (Guy Fawkes) mask with a “Post Malone” like face tattoo that says Beach Grit 😉
Mr. McDermott would seem to know well what he’s talking about. I can’t wait for Ms. Prather’s response. In the meantime, I’ll continue to surf when and where I can, and with a clear conscience. Since the CV19 fearmongerers have caused closing all of the beaches where I live, legally accessible spots are packed. Sad times indeed.
On ya, Charlie !