Orange County, California
Orange County, California

New book American Reich explores Neo-Nazi leanings of crumbled surf industry mecca

"A new age of hate" and life behind the Orange Curtain.

There was once a time, not even very long ago, when surfing had an industry and that industry had a home. Orange County, California. Much like Silicon Valley is synonymous with technology and Detroit with American-made automobiles, Orange County was Big Surf. Clothing brands like Quiksilver, Hurley, Volcom and Op maintained sprawling headquarters in Costa Mesa, Irvine and Newport Beach. Surfboard brands like Lost grew to fame and fortune in San Clemente. Huntington Beach battled, and beat, Santa Cruz for the official title of Surf City, USA.

A gilded age but also riddled with beachside “morning meet-up spots for neo-Nazis in skeleton masks training for ‘white unity’ combat?”

In his new book, American Reich, author Eric Lichtblau examines “Orange County, Neo-Nazis and a new age of hate” by using the murder of young gay Jewish man, Blaze Bernstein, at the hand Newpies local Samuel Woodward in Lake Forest in 2018 as backdrop.

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“Lichtblau began the book in 2020, in the midst of COVID,” LA Times writer Beavin Pappas explains. “He wanted to find a place emblematic of the national epidemic that he, like many others, was witnessing — some of the highest record of anti-Asian attacks, assaults on Black, Latino and LGBTQ+ communities, and rising extremist rhetoric and actions.”

“Orange County kind of fit a lot of those boxes,” Lichtblau told Pappas. “The horrible tragedy with Blaze Bernstein being killed by one of his high school classmates — who had been radicalized — reflected a growing brazenness of the white supremacy movement we’ve seen as a whole in America in recent years.”

In reviewing the book, Pappas explains how he, too, grew up behind the “Orange Curtain” and experienced much lightly closeted white supremacist leanings which have transmorphed into modern day MAGAism.

Focusing on the January 6 Capitol storming, Lichtblau explains many people thought those involved came not from deeply conservative deep south pockets but rather “From places like Orange County. This was white pride on display. There was a lot of neo-Nazi stuff, including a lot of Orange County people stuff.”

American Reich explores how Orange County came to be such, from early clashes with migrant orange pickers to a desire to distance itself from “liberal” neighboring Los Angeles to, now, a symbol of deeply ingrained hatred which, according to Pappas, is “reactivated by a far-right digital landscape that connects these members and multiplies their ideologies on a national level.”

Good thing, I suppose, that the surf industry got sold for parts and no longer exists.

Buy American Reich here.

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Happy Camper

wow, some amazing comments below.
You just keep one-upping yourself Chas.
By the time the tour returns there will be riots in the comment section.

I think the one nuance that is missed in all of this is that “white supremacists” are not all Neo-Nazi’s nor fans of Hitler, and not all Nazi’s (Neo nazi’s) were/are white.
the broad brush is a problem, but it sells to people who want to share the hate America ideology and point fingers at their ideological/political opponents, so I’m sure Lickbutt will have another best seller in liberal enclaves.

Strayan Cunt

Faaaaaark me Happy there are some very worrying aspects to that comment. I have had a cuppla beers so out of respect to ya I will just leave it at that mate.

Happy Camper

Pretty simple statement of truth.
the current “white supremacist” issue in the U.S. is due mostly to unfettered immigration and over two decades worth of the lefts demonization of whites, especially white males. at a certain point when people have been demonized and denigrated enough, they become defensive.
it is not a “nazi” type of issue based on hatred of other races.
it is an issue with being called racist and scum by politicians and activists, and watching your home turn into a third world relief center in which U.S. taxpayers $$$ are being used to support immigrants instead of the people taxes are meant to support.
it is more of a standup for your community and country issue…..and its not just a white issue. non-white Americans are getting sick of it as well and speaking up.

As far as non-whites and muslims serving in the Nazi army, that’s just a fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Arabian_Legion
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/nazi-ss-handar-division/

Brutus

happy C….white supremacists /KKK……the USA has had a white supremacist problem since 1868…….we have the same problem in Australia

Happy Camper

kind of ironic that the first person murderd by The Klan was George Washington Ashburn, a white republican senate candidate.

strange world we live in Brutus

PS- next time read the comment. ether is a reason I said: “the current “white supremacist” issue in the U.S……..”

Chief Hot stuff

What do you think they mean by Nazi
National socialist , or national sociopath?

@TheRealJackMeoff

On another note had to run chains for the first time in a long, long, long time.
They are a cunt of a thing to be sure.
All good to ride some snowflake…

Capt Sensible

Jews are like so yesterday dude.

DongWangVerga

Lightly closeted white supremacy means Orange County and/or Simi Valley in the local indigenous tongues

Barrelled

That where you buy yours? I think a few sell in Goleta so you don’t have to drive so far. 🤣😂

Jack John Johnson

Crossing state boundaries is always tricky.

Chas Smith

Coos Bay mayor gonna get Maduro-ed next!

Jack John Johnson

Consistent fireworks from the Bay locals should maximize photographic optics. Hopefully descending soldiers can find better food choices via Yelp. 🙏🏼

Happy Camper

Angry Samoans incoming.

Strayan Cunt

If forced at gunpoint to read either this book, or JSC’s BOOK I think there is a high possibility I would thank my lucky stars for a wonderful innings and just take the bullet

Whitefolkswithdreadsarefunny

Just go 5-10 miles inland and you’ll find some of the best Chinese, Vietnamese, middle eastern and Mexican food in the country. Coastal OC is bland and more of a boiled boneless/skinless chicken breast over white rice kind of vibe. Inland OC has flavor. It just needs a few wave pools.

Hippy

Best Thai food …. bingo Garden Grove

Mapski

You can shit on Orange County for lot’s of reasons, yet an incredible number of world class shapers have mowed foam there. And I really miss Bruce Jones, dammit! 12 years gone on the 13th. I am patching up his old boards from under the house to honor his fine rail work. They still ride great.

Hippy

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Mapski

Would love to come across one of his Lahaina Surf Designs boards when he shaped for Brewer and Buddy Boy. Early downrail magic.

Hippy

I held an old Becker gun last month…. a client had it in the rafters of her garage. Rick Surfboards, glassed by Mingelli. Thinking about asking her for it if she ever invites me again.

Barrelled

Probably more due to population access than surf quality.

Tom House

Look, OC is not really a place worth thinking much about if we’re honest.

Happy Camper

lot of virtue below the line today.
big round of attaboys.

Strayan Cunt

This whole comments section is reading like a giant seppo coming out party, pretty creepy ay haha

Chief Hot stuff

Its funny when white liberals wear that Supreme brand. Innit.

Happy Camper

Virtue Supremacists

Hippy

Is that what your Special Forces insiders advised?

Happy Camper

Oh Hippy….
you just can’t let it go, can you?

Hippy

Love you Camper

Wave Wizard

The truely evil source material is Barbara Kruger.

Chief Hot stuff

Freddys bitch?

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

The Otto biography we didn’t know we needed!

Otto

These Nazi jokes never get old. I love em. Keep them coming.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Well ok then. This combines your love of the Fuhrer with celebrating pedophiles:
https://youtu.be/ZHSLhk42gq…

Otto

Your Google searches must make your wife cringe

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

I just read her your posts.

Otto

For a guy that has made statements about the horrors of losing family to real Nazis, and a real Holocaust, you throw around the “Nazi” label with reckless disregard, and even less regard for the plight of your family.

The Nazi joke is you.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Mom, dad is lecturing people on BG again!

Otto, you support a white supremacist neo-Nazi president who had a fucking copy of Mein Kampf on his table. The only book he actually owned. You support a political party that uses white nationalist symbols left and right. If it walks and talks and pushes policies that fit with Naziism, then it’s Naziism. My use of it, is totally purposeful and intended. Oh wait, they’re good people too…

Hippy

You have to understand the pretzel logic that Otto is a yogi at.

It takes skill. Sure, you have to be able to ignore stuff.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

What, understand that grown men support shit that my 9 year old son knows is wrong? I wouldn’t call it skill, either. And it takes ignoring, well, history, facts, and reality.

Hippy

I’m spinning some fun out of frustration.

Otto

Your family would be ashamed of you desicrating their life experiences like you do.

You can be courageous like you are, anonymously, but make no mistake, if you called me a “Nazi” to my face, I’d break your fucking jaw.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Tower 9! Never change, Otto…and that’s the issue.

Otto

Nah man, you hate half the country, and you will never change bc you believe to your very core that Republicans are evil people. You can’t change. I think you’re a person with bad ideas.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Define “evil people” for me.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Otto, would break the jaws of any of these people? https://www.nbcnews.com/new…

Otto

Funny how none of these stories ever gained traction. Wonder why?

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins
Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

See, this is one of the key differences, too–you so quickly threaten violence, yet call people like me snowflakes. Do you see the hypocrisy? After all these years, Otto, if it were real life, I’d actually ask you to take me to a gun range and teach me to shoot. Then share your family history with me. I’d be totally open to enjoying learning more about you and how you live, and talking politics and laughing over the absurdity of what a fucked up planet we’ve created. If I thought you surfed, I’d even love to paddle out and hoot you into a few, but I’m not sure you paddle out anymore. But you do you, old man. Catch you down here tomorrow or whenever. Btw, you realize this article specifically from Chas was click bait focused on you, right? With Hippy stoned and riding shotgun, to get it to 200 comments.

Otto

You don’t get to call me a Nazi over and over again, and then act like we’d be friends. I’d paddle out with you anytime, and I’ll snake you, push your head underwater, and punch the fins out of your boards. You’re an asshole, and deserve to be treated accordingly.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Paging Tower 9…paging Tower 9. Please note, though, Otto, I don’t have fins on my board. Good night, for good this time. Look forward to some more rants from you on the next political post from Chas or DR, which will likely be tomorrow.

Chief Hot stuff

Hes right tho
Pull your head in with the nazi shit, its weak and pathetic like your whole ideology

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

And there he is, White Nationalist Jr.! Offer always stands, Bexy, to swap places with me. All the plantations you’d care to stroll, and more churches than Waffle Houses. Plus your white hood would fit right in.

Chief Hot stuff

Ur a sick puppy.

Strayan Cunt

Congrats on speaking your threat in proper masculine language Otto. Old Baldie saying he was going to punch Chas on the nose sounded gay as

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

I feel the testosterone through the internet…makes me want to finger Dogsnuts bum, the threat of violence came off so masculine even!

SaltyHB
Happy Camper

serious question:
have you never read Mein Kampf?

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Fuck no.

Chief Hot stuff

Youd like it, its about his struggle to promote socialism, but like all socialists ,they turn into shit

Hippy

That’s a weird thing to think about…. did your wife find your searches O?

Otto

He’s always bringing up Nazi shit. Fuck you Hippy, stay out of this shit.

Hippy

I was part of a large community that surfed, partied and traveled together for decades. George Bush invaded a country that had done nothing to us as a response to a terror tragedy. Saudi Arabia had attacked us and Israel filmed the attack, the US was “surprised”. Instead of retaliating against our “allies”, we chose to destroy Iraq for oil. No other premise makes sense. Motivations were lied and loudly, found to be untrue and managing that country was more than Bush Inc could handle. No exit strategy, we’ll wait for the Democrats to have balls and pull out of the conflicts, then blame them for the mess.

But Bush succeeded in raiding the treasury. 2009 was a dark chapter in US history until the tan guy cleaned up the mess.

I mentioned one surf check something similar to this first paragraph and division within our friendships was incubated like a lightning rod. I had no idea what most of the crews politics were and the polarization shocked us….

Orange County had always been smoldering with right wing energy. Look no further than Wally George. Even the Cuckoo’s Nest and oddly, Gilded Cage were virulent right wing. (Interesting to note, the punks and the cowboys had nightly fights, Newport Beach Poooolice watched in humor as both right wing ideologies collided. Vandals wrote a song about it, Cowboy Life)

Dana Rohrbacher. The Mayors of HB. Lance fucking Collins. Newport was just as bad as HB. Inland whites just as ignorant as the locals. Drive down Seashore or River Dr’s now and you’ll think you are at a Trump Rally.

Years later, I was surfing a sharky as fuck beach going off. It was months before I was “approached” by a giant fish that swam beside me for a hundred plus yards. Lonely place to die, but it always has better waves. I’m that simple. But this one day, another soul pulled up as I was getting out. Lifeguard Al from State Beach in HB.

“Fancy seeing you here”

Turns out, we had both gotten tired of all the anger, the christians that hate, the white people fear and each of us had moved to Northern Southern California. We surfed together for 20 years, never spoke. Now in this desolate parking lot that reeks of death, we shook hands after decades of animosity.

You see, the Lifeguard station of State Beach was at Tower 9. Oh I surfed there all the time, but also protected Tower 10 from the kooks at Tower 9. All the fights. All the hassling. I had now met my nemesis hundreds of miles away. I was nearly arrested so many times for refusing to comply with the black ball. Indiscretions as long as my arm. He knew my nickname. Turns out, we are pretty similar except he can’t surf backside :).

I moved from Malibu to Palos Verdes to Newport Beach. Each place was angry and local. Fights were common. More than common. The right wing has always occupied a place in surfing and the left wing was hardly pacifist. Everyone hated everyone else. Unfortunately, I was raised to be stealth and play by the code that no longer exists, thank you prosecutors. Thank you Surf Industry fucking clowns.

Ok, enough history, just stay down at tower 9…. longshore current drift not an excuse to drift through tower 10. If you can’t paddle against the river, go to San O or Doheny.

c4

That Nor SoCal spot has good cheese burgers.

Hippy

sand is fucked right now, is not the spot I mentioned, never had the burger

Barrelled

How in the hell have you never had the burger?

Hippy

Next time, try Quality Cafe in the poc

Looks tacky from outside, good home cooking inside

Barrelled

I assume you mean Budget Cafe, but yes.

Barrelled

Not every spot there is reliant upon sand banks.

Hippy

It hasn’t been good

Was talking bout Surf Beach anyway

Barrelled

Just gotta walk really far. There are epic banks.

Gwen Walz’s Eyes

Jalama?

Hippy

Yeah, not worth the drive, but I was talking about Surf Beach

Com Turren

Tower 9–the place to fight at any municipal or State beach https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

Rocks local

weird phenomenon , not altogether different from some spots on the east coast.

But some people just sidestep the noise. Was talking to a guy back on the east coast during a quick xmas visit , told me he spends (northern hemisphere) winters on the OBX , and (northern hemisphere) summers back in SA at J Bay. Seems like the right way to do it.

Hippy

You wrote about VB once, but missed on several key figures.

You still live there?

Rocks local

not anymore, although parents have lived out there since 90, I lived there from 02-19 — not sure what you mean by ‘missed’ , I didn’t mention many names

Hippy

i have old friends there and Vodka Bob! Harbor master, hurt his back getting into the boat at Cloudbreak first surf. Poor guy watched the rest of the week, nicest guy though

Brutus

fuck I thought you meant Victoria Bitter….the beer English hate!

Hippy

Tiger is the worst beer on earth

You still mowing EEV’s? AM I allowed to talk board design here?

Brutus

I think emu bitter…worst hangovers ever….

EEV…..the whole range is now RV…..getting ready for a very big year!!

Rocks local

Bob Holland, legend who passed a few years ago. Didn’t know him personally but my very close co worker / mentor did. I was 30 when moved there full time and very focused on career building. The professional career did ok, at the expense of time on the water.

Hippy

Are you talking about his dad?

You know Abcessed Llama is a VB loke

Rocks local

Yes, the dad. Llama and I have talked about it , he’s a true vb guy, I just blew in there from fl for a few years. After fl, I was in grad school in Charlottesville for a while , in late 90s / early aughts, vb full time after for a bit and then some life changes, etc etc.

John Smith

best of both worlds

Chief Hot stuff

This is almost a Gettysberg address!!

Happy Camper

wow, you bounced that ball all over the table
frickin’ Hippy ping pong

Hippy

You know how you move a piece of furniture to vacuum one spot and discover 3 more chores…..

Happy Camper

Speaking of Wally George.
our mutual friend used to go on that show all the time.
he would even get out the water just to make sure he could watch on the tele.

did you ever come by our pad on 28th?

Hippy

I did. Wow. But your room mate situation was pretty fluid other than Benny.

We went once to the show and it was Anaheim punks for the most part. Not that they recognized me or anything, but they weren’t welcomed at the Nest. I did not control the Nest either…. just punk had begun to become gangs and my interest was waning after I watched Hollyweird become a war zone over bands.

Happy Camper

from 84-86 it was pretty stable at the house. don’t know if you were at the party when the drummer from Agent Orange threw the keg through the bay window, but we had a few good ones there. that house was a blast.

agree with you on punk. the SoCal punk scene became pretty stupid.
I was well out of Punk in 83. Preferred OG punk, although SD, ST and Beastie Boys put out some pretty fun stuff mid 80’s

Brutus

don’t upset Mr Biolis in not mentioning Black Flag!

Hippy

Wonder which version he likes?

Happy Camper

Ha. Back Flag was okay, but there were many others that were way better, although they did have one of the coolest logos.

Hippy

Seemed similar to Zephyr….

Henry Rollins is not Black Flag

Happy Camper

That’s why I liked the logo.
Zephyr one of the coolest in surf/skate history.

My fave cal bands were Circle Jerks, Fear and DK. all time fave was the Sex Pistols. my brother was living in London in 77, and brought a back a demo of never mind the bullocks.

Barton Lins

I get Hippy.
Israel and the jews to blame for all this…
Just like in Germany in the 1930’s…

Hippy

Had re read my post…. all I said was Mossad filmed 9/11, that’s why we have footage. They set up and waited. Our precious allies filming Saudi’s attack.

Meanwhile, Bush was “shocked”????

Israel is not the US’ friend. Spin it any way you want.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Mossad told the Israeli-based businesses in the Twin Towers to not show up on 9/11…

Brutus

yeah I got that memo also so stayed away!

Brutus

FDR provoked Japan into WWII……knew about the coming attack on Pearl Harbor and turned a blind eye….Weapons of Mass destruction…..need to defend Vietnam…..ahh the list goes on…….

Happy Camper

my dad was in Vietnam. I asked him one time about it.
he said: “I was hired to do a job. If I hit my targets, I did my job”

that’s the only time we ever talked about it, and that’s all that was said.

Brutus

yep politicians have been using their military since time began….Vietnam was a major drama in Australia because of conscription……what was it all about again?

Hippy

such a murky motivation

like this one now.

Happy Camper

Vietnam was a complete mess, but I don’t take anything away from the bravery and heroism of the soldiers, sailors and airmen who fought there, obeying the orders of their commanders and “doing their jobs”.
the only other comment I’ve ever heard my dad make about Vietnam was when John Kerry was running for President. they served together.

He said: “that guy was a coward and a traitor. he should be shot”.

Brutus

I have total respect for our military …and as ya Dad said John kerry , politician……couldn’t be respected….I mean , how many politicians do we trust and respect…….history tells politicians make the messes and the masses pay the price!

SaltyHB
Com Turren

those who saw some shit rarely talk about it.

Happy Camper

yup.

JohnWayneWasRight

Oh so you’re not even red pilled on Dancing Israelis. They didn’t just film the attack, they were there on that same rooftop, the morning before on 9/10, per a redacted photo of them, with a lit lighter to the New York skyline (this came out of early unsealed FBI docs in 2019, that were originally set to be unsealed in like 2050). So at a minimum Israel had explicit FOREKNOWLEDGE of the attack. That’s why they were there filming it, and celebrating it. Just by chance someone saw them and called it in and they got caught driving away. Then, further investigations into other fake Mossad-front companies showed their other “moving companies” had direct interaction with hijackers. And our J 3wish officials in government knew it and let them go. So this suggests Israel’s foreknowledge of 9/11 is fact, and their involvement in 9/11 is probable, but speculation. But on top of that, false-flag attacks are Israel’s MO. Netanyahu said the attacks were good for Israel right after, and go figure we’ve gone after all Israel’s enemies since. America is effectively an Israeli occupied country.

Barton Lins

It’s all the jew’s (Israel) fault. I got it Hippy…
I’ve seen this narrative before…
Where could it be?

Hippy

Jews and Israel are two different things, but conflating the two works for Zionists

Com Turren

Also works for Jihadists, so to your point, maybe these things should stop being equated.

Gwen Walz’s Eyes

Could we have the readers digest condensed version please? I had to stop and wipe my glasses clean halfway through.

Hippy

You get old, start rambling, get stoned, nap

Brutus

nice history read ….but please just for the real Christians……”the Christians that hate”…well they are not Christian but batting for the other side!

here in Australia , we had a rather inglorious in surfing first there were some Hippy’s …then came the yuppies, former hippies who found money/credit/business and then power…..they cashed in , Sold out…..and we have a couple of marketing shells of Company’s that say we are surf…..

So hippy yeah left /right and here we are as the gap gets wider/….

Hippy

Wealth disparity is real

Brutus

yes the gap is widenening, cost of living still going up……..rich gettin richer and us…..just enjoying the moment!

channelbottom

You should do some above-the-comments stuff.

DongWangVerga

Running up deficits for foreign wars is what they do best

JohnWayneWasRight

It’s amazing that you know about the Dancing Israelis, who had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, celebrated it while it happened, and had explosive residue in their vehicle (not to mention Lucky Larry Silverstein; and that other fake Mossad-front companies had direct interaction with the hijackers), and still somehow go on an anti-white, anti-American, and anti-Christian screed. Here’s a hint, the guy who let him go, Michael Shertoff (future Secretary of Homeland Security), was not Israeli, he was an American J 3w. So to say the problem is “Israel, not J 3ws”, is idiotic.

We went to war against Iraq, and all the other enemies of Israel thereafter, not “for oil”… that was smoke and mirrors for the ignorant masses. The 1996 Clean Break document, authored by an Israeli think tank, and future influential figures in the Bush administration, outlined the countries to be targeted for Israel’s benefit: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and Iran. Go figure, we’ve gone after all those countries since then. Your “for oil” narrative doesn’t explain all that. Actually, nothing explains our major US interventions since then, except for American J 3ws (and their propagandized Christian Zionists) with allegiance to Israel over America.

Sorry Commie (Communism- which J 3ws also created btw), our side has the facts and the guys you slander as Nazis are emergent in the younger generations. Because we actually had glimpses of the free flow of information on the internet, and we’re watching our country turn to a craphole that resembles Mexico.

In the meantime, keep celebrating how you got to party and enjoy Orange County and Southern Californian beaches while it was a white paradise, while the younger generations feel like they’re living in a foreign country at their home beaches, filled with sometimes nearly 100% fat b rowns.

Call us what you want but white people ought to have sovrentity, somewhere in this world, for the sake of everyone. In the meantime, keep enjoying literally everything around you invented by white men, and the freedoms paired with high standards of living, wholly unique to white countries.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

Damn you’re down the rabbit hole. A few people on this site will sadly join you there. But damn, this is one of the more fucked up comments I’ve ever seen on BG, and that’s saying something.

Edit: so you created a profile to make this one comment? Guessing you’re already on BG as another character. Lame.

JohnWayneWasRight

Sorry that the truth is fucked up. I made this account to defend unfairly slandered Orange County, and white American Christians.

Derek Hynd's Missing Fins

You’re a fucking kook.

Strayan Cunt

Is this one of those white supremicists from HB I read about on here? How exciting to finally hear from one I thought they were a myth that had been made up

Brutus

yep……wonder how long he will be here, before he’s run outa gritland

Barrelled

It’s Otto, already been here awhile. Just having a fit tonight, must have forgot meds again.

Brutus

doesn’t sound like Otto…unless he’s taken a dumb pill?

Barrelled

Same conspiracy theory worthless pile of bullshit.

Com Turren

almost certainly not Otto

deeks

100 per cent not

Strayan Cunt

Its not Otto, he stands by his views and I respect him for it

Sean Connery

Check out White Supremists In The Wild… season 2 episode 4. On FX. Its got a whole thing on HB.

JohnWayneWasRight

The funny part is I probably surf better than you. Maybe not though -see I try to stick to the facts.

Brutus

there is no such thing as White American Christian……the fact that you have to categorize a Christian as a racial whiteman……Christians are Christians …balck/white/brown/yellow /red etc……

Com Turren

oh, but there is, and it mostly isn’t pretty, nor particularly Christian in his/her values these days as far as the Evangelicals go.

Brutus

in the eyes of the white evangelists, they feel like they are the chosen ones, as they sell empty rhetoric to gain money and power…..I go onto forums against the White evangelist’s , with a simple question …”What would Jesus do?”……so they are not Christians, but actually a tool for evil!

JohnWayneWasRight

Actually Evangelicals feel J 3ws are the chosen ones (though no ethnic group feels J 3ws are more the chosen ones than themselves), and that’s the problem, leading to their Zionism. They’ve been propagandized by the Schofield Bible that started all this (a new Bible edit in the 1900s funded and disseminated by the ultra-rich J 3w Rothschilds).

JohnWayneWasRight

There is no such thing as White American Christians? lol okay. Literally was the entire founding of this country was that, and was that in recent memory… and even today America is still the most by far the religious country in the world for its GDP. But sure, whites were 88% of the US in the 1960s, and less than 50% in the young population today.

But you’re right I should’ve been more accurate, what I meant to say was to defend unfairly slandered, whites, Americans, and Christians. You got me!

Com Turren

Perhaps any defense of OC should be left to those of us who actually live here, you silly little bogan.

https://uploads.disquscdn.c…

JohnWayneWasRight

I’m about as Orange County as anyone. It’s funny how you guys have no clue how a huge of a proportion of younger white males in OC feel. I’d consider my takes moderate among them.

Com Turren

all you feckless little OC brats who grew up in the post-iPhone era sure do love to act like tough guys though!

Strayan Cunt

Is this cunt actually for real? You actually live around people like this? Faaaaaaaark me

Barrelled

Otto

Com Turren

this will be confirmed when the comments are deleted.

Hippy

Larry Silverstein was the grifter that owned the towers.

A fire in the 86th floor does not cause the first floor to disintegrate into particle dust.

The rest of your bullshit is just that.

JohnWayneWasRight

Larry Silverstein is an avid Zionist, American J 3w, with deep ties to Israel and Israeli politicians, including Netanyahu, with a record of major donations to the Israeli government and institutions.

I already said the Dancing Israelis had bomb residue found in their vehicle. Not to mention the fake “Israeli art students” that had access to the building in the months leading up to 9/11.

No bullshit on the facts above. But keep plugging your ears and closing your eyes and chanting la-la-la, because the facts hurt your feelings.

Com Turren
Brutus

I think maybe scandanavia is where you could settle …mostly all whites…have you done a DNA test to prove you are pure white?

Home beaches in Orange county/SOCal……white paradise after they eliminated the indigenous people ,LOL!

JohnWayneWasRight

You have no clue what’s happening to Sweden either apparently. 40% of their under 18 population is non-white. Their capital city is always in the running for rape capital of the world now.

Oh, but the Swedish are indiengous and never colonized anyone, so now come up with a reason why they should lose sovereignty in their ethnic homelands. They sure have. All white countries across the world are facing this problem. It isn’t happening in Korea, Japan, or China though. The main difference is the J 3ws control our media and teach whites to hate themselves so they cheer on their extinction, along with non-white open border policies.

Btw indigenous in the entirety of California were numbered at the population of a single small city now. And 90-95% of indigenous were wiped out by disease before whites even showed up. And there was nothing resembling a civilization that you would move to. You came after whites built it.

JabbaTheHutt

Racists can’t see the irony and hypocrisy in that they’ve colonised and stolen from indigenous peoples all over the world and then they moan that they want “their country” to back to their racist, sexist and homophobic paradise. Nor can they critically think why do foreigners want to move to their country, when they’ve spent hundreds of years spreading and preaching their religion and culture to said foreigners.

Com Turren
FL Skunk Ape

Us white people have it so so hard. You are not a victim. Give me a fucking break. JFC.

JohnWayneWasRight

Walk the boardwalk on a random summer day in Huntington and whites hardly exist. Call that what you want, it’s not so fun and easy, definitely not so pretty.

FL Skunk Ape

Good god, cry harder. You are such a victim. :-/

JohnWayneWasRight

Yeah the white population percentage being rapidly decimated across the world, and where you grew up, is sad, actually.

JabbaTheHutt

They are always the biggest sooks playing the race card

SectionSB

Agree with channel bottom….let them stories out

Wave Wizard

South of Point Conception is dead to me.

Hippy

It’s funny how many of you visit when there is swell….

Wave Wizard

Okay, okay.
South of Point Mugu is dead to me.

Hippy

Agree

Though brown today, the base looks pretty wedgy

Barrelled

That makes way more sense.

Tom House

South of Big Sur can get fucked. And I’m from the central coast.

Wave Wizard

Hopefully you’ll support my plan to extract the 5 city blocks surrounding Pismo Pier and air drop them on Huntington Beach.

Beef & Beer

And it ALL ties in with Epstein Island being the HQ for the recent Venezuelan incident, due to its location.

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Well paid enthusiastic teenage prostitutes may have been the entertainment, but the real business was oil all along…

channelbottom

Uh… by “teen prostitutes” do mean trafficked and raped children?
But yeah.
Oil is always tied up in that sort of money somewhere.

Com Turren

idk, most of these guys are either HB residents and/or the 909ers who drive out to HB.

c4

I can understand how people in cultural backwaters like Oklahoma etc end up being ignorant fearful narrow minded republicans, but it seems like the people that grew up in So Cal like Steven Miller are the worst, and they have no excuse for being like that.

Montana Surfers Journal

The fake-hick big truck attitude in SoCal is such a fucking joke. As someone who grew up around kids raised on farms, and some proper midwest poverty it’s really silly to see OC kids cosplaying as such

c4

It’s hilarious seeing surfers from San Clemente posting pics of themselves barbecuing with cowboy hats on.

Montana Surfers Journal

All hat, no cattle

Picard Madeoff

Until you’ve bucked bales and stacked them in the barn until midnight on a hot, humid summer evening you haven’t lived.

Hippy

I spent two years in San Clemente, mid 80’s.

You have no idea

Skippy

I just saw an ad on a gas pump screen for this new hit…

c4

Is that Sawyer Lindblad?

Strayan Cunt

They do what??!! Hahahaha gotta love seppos ay, always good entertainment

Barrelled

The pretend cowboy thing is out of line here. So many cunts buy properties at lakes in Central California, attend Stagecoach and suddenly they are full fledged cowboys and cowgirls.

Strayan Cunt

Really? Thats fucking amazing YEEEEEEEHAAA

Hippy

It’s a trend, for sure.

I laugh hard that Beyonce jumped their boat and won awards with her first effort in the twang genre. I’ll bet you peeps in Idaho were dancing to her songs until they found out she was black

Picard Madeoff

I like to ask those urban cowboys what it is like banding calves, pulling calves and dehorning them.

Hippy

I was living in Raglan on a cattle farm and was asked to help neuter the young bulls…. fuck it was gnarly. Neither of us knew what we were doing either. Shitshow.

Picard Madeoff

The normal process is simple if you don’t band(O ring) them right after birth then you remove them when you innoculate the herd in the spring. Just one of many reasons to not fuck with cowboys as many a cow has lifted a cowboy as he tries to band her newborn calf.

Barrelled

How dare you speak of Otto like that.

Rocks local

wife’s family is Colorado on mom’s side and KS on her dad’s side, all the midwesteners I’ve met are less ignorant and fearful and more repulsed by the idea of the federal government telling them what to do.

of course, current admin has turned that on its head a little (or a lot) , so many of them scratching their heads now

c4

Both my mom and dad are from Minnesota and I would go back there every summer. I remember driving in Minneapolis with my grandmother and she always told me to keep my door locked and window rolled up because the “darkies” might run out and and attack our car with a metal pipe.

Great fishing back there though.

Rocks local

Yeah, that’s a different level , ha – haven’t seen that , thankfully.

c4

My parents left and moved to California as soon as they could. Minus thirty degree weather didn’t help either.

Hippy

The lakes are beautiful until November

c4

So nice in the summer and early fall.

Hippy

My family is in Chicago and I work there often. So beautiful. Wisconsin too.

Got invited to the Sheboygan Surf Club meeting few years back. Nice people

c4

My grandparents had a big house at lake level with a dock on a huge lake in northern Minn with boats. Big part of my childhood going back there every summer.

Hippy

great memories, I’ll bet

Went to Indo with a random walk on from Illinois and dude was a hoot. Snapped all his boards, pretty much charged up to the medium days and never stopped smiling. Always putting a pair of fins on and swimming or diving…. dude got his money’s worth

c4

Just paid a subscription to the surf network site so I could watch facing monsters. Watched super session from 1975 yesterday and couldn’t help imagining DSS watching it in the theater after smoking some Thai sticks.

Going to watch single fin yellow next. Let me know of any recommendations.

Hippy

You seen the Greenough flicks from Rights and lefts? Innermost limits of Pure Fun.

Thai sticks were pretty good too…. the Alby movies are always good, watch Noosa before the onslaught. There was one with early Kirra too, Angourie although Monty has alerted us to how dangerous Yamba is now with the Impending race war incubating.

c4

I saw parts of the greenough movie. I’ll watch it again I think. It was pretty sick to see footage of kirra in movies before it got destroyed.

Hippy

Lucky I got it long before the super bank. Full magic.

There were so many good waves in that region……. Cali sucks

Barrelled

Haha! That’s a fucking knee slapper. Just need the means and methods to access and it’s fucking dreamy.

Hippy

Nah dude. Not even close. Once you start traveling, you can’t stay home and you know it.

Barrelled

True but….there are ways and places. It’s just not Indo. A bit fickle but pretty good IYK.

Hippy

Maybe I’m just bumming out that my watering holes around here have been discovered by children with phones and egos and they only break so many times a year anyway…. not yet this year proper.

You mentioned burgers… we never ate there but parked at the Bixby entrance and hiked in. You know the drill. That dude Andy (Bixby Ranch mgr) was a ball buster, but he had jobs to do too.

Barrelled

Bixby can get pretty damn good. Get a good boat though Hip. The Ranch is baby steps before accessing the real thing. 😉

Hippy

I know where you mean. Commercial divers tuned me in.

Had a zodiac in the 80’s and then a buddy who bought little Malibu and drove in Holly. Got spoiled driving in. Also camped at Cojo by petitioning the state. 3 trips, scored once.

Hippy

You don’t see Little Malibu from a boat, man it’s a good setup and always empty

Barrelled

So many waves IYK. You could ask Willy if he was still around.

Hippy

Do you know Tobin?

Barrelled

Morris, but know of him in his later forays.

Hippy

There is an early Bali movie…. Blazing Boards? Mo will know.

The surf movie in the theatre thing was so fun. Like the whole town came out to party.

c4

I actually saw blazing boards when it came out. I was living in Santa Cruz’s and the filmer I think was from Monterey and he played it in a small bar down there. That’s the one with Padang at the end I think. I saw the eighties movies when they came out but not very many from before I started surfing in 78. I remember seeing free ride at the Santa Cruz civic auditorium. So many cute chicks.

It’s the early to mid seventies movies that I haven’t seen would like to see Wayne lynch footage. He seemed important in the transition to short boards and modern maneuvers. Michael Peterson was ripping sunset in expression session. Had never really seen footage of him.

Hippy

What you want then are John Witzig films.

I think that’s how you spell him.

c4

I’ll do a search. Thanks

frank

we probably threw frisbees at each other

c4

I remember all the frisbees. I was fifteen years old.

Hippy

beach balls, passing joints

What an experience!

Barrelled

If you haven’t seen Second Thoughts it’s well worth a watch for a newerish flick. Timmy is a bit of a cunt and the storyline is fairly bullshit but the waves are insane.

c4

I’ll add it to my list. Thanks for the rec.

Barrelled

Panaitan is probably the best bay in the world for quality and quantity of waves in such a small area.

Hippy

Shallow AF

Is that where Timmy holed up?

Barrelled

Second Thoughts is all Panaitan. There is a reason they are wearing full suits at One Palm and it’s not cold at all. They only show 2-3 of the waves though. He’s just a selfish dickhead. Caused a lot of trouble for peeps who used to go there.

nyc surfing golden boy

how did he cause trouble?

Barrelled

In a few ways but the most problematic were related to access. For one, he brought that goat and chickens out to the island (or at least that’s what he shows in the vid). That is highly illegal since Panaitan is a national park. It is also generally considered illegal to camp on the island which they were also doing. As the Indo government likes to do, they over-reacted and started hassling the boats out there a bit. Not a big deal to most people but some people were impacted negatively and moved to other regions. At one point, someone was trying to build a camp out there but it got stopped. Granted, there is now a way to stay on land there in the old ranger digs but the waves are generally too heavy for the average person anyway, not exactly the best place for a quick trip. I give him credit for putting together a cool little story with epic waves but quite a bit of what he says in them movie is a bit of a farce.

JohnWayneWasRight

Do you have any idea what’s happened in Minneapolis with the Somali immigrants? Your grandmom is a lot wiser than you. She was infinitely proven right. Basic government crime statistics can tell you this btw.

c4
JohnWayneWasRight

lol so punk rock to have the same opinions as every major bank, mega-corporation, education, government, and media institution.

Sean Connery

My wifes family is from Wyoming. They are mostly republicans and great people but politics rarely get brought up now. They are obsessed with California though. Can’t understand how people could live there… Newsom, taxes, traffic, immigrants, the homeless are the usual talking points. To shut them up I usually just tell them that yeah it really sucks being able to play golf 350 days out of the year.

Rocks local

Ha, great comeback! Although Wyoming is beautiful

Sean Connery

It really is! And with a population of less than 600k its nice to get away from the masses.

Happy Camper

no-one is as culturally supreme as Marin County residents.

c4

lol.

Happy Camper

your comment gave me great laugh.
my bio-pop was originally from Oklahoma, fought in the Korean War and then became a big rig driver. he retired in Vacaville……and was a full on democrat, so I loved the stereotype.

c4

So the point of my comment was that I can understand how people from areas like that can be fearful republicans because they are not exposed to different cultures and different types of people. You turn on the radio there and it’s either Christian stuff or Sean Hannity, as apposed to growing up in Socal.

If you’ve ever been to a Chinese restaurant in the rural Midwest you know what I mean by cultural backwater.

Hippy

Had a gig in Vegas and was driving and for two hours, the only radio was Clear Channel. Dennis’ show!

So we open our yoga studio and Dennis attends, wife and Mrs H are close. We talk tennis, I’m networking an invite to play with Mc Enroe…. so excited.

Then I mention the drive. “You know Dennis, I loved you on Monday Night Football”

“You did, I copped so much shit for that”

“Yeah, everyone knows the game and I enjoyed your obscure references, made me think beyond the simple game”

He smiled, but I pushed it too far

“I listened to your show and was very surprised”

“How so Hippy?”

“I was fascinated how you dumbed down your vernacular for that audience and how you repeated talking points as if a mantra for them to copy, complete reversal of your Football appearances”

I never got invited to play with Mc Enroe.

c4

Whenever McEnroe would play the Transamerica tournament in SF he would stay out in Bolinas at these weed grower surfers house I knew and do drugs. Bolinas is so off the beaten path he figured nobody would notice him out there.

Tom House

Leave us out of this

channelbottom

I reckon Miller had a crush on a young Latina in high school who laughed in his face, thus his Temu-Goebbels act was born.

Pathetic.
Stephen Miller only got into politics because his arms were too weak to strangle prostitutes.

c4

I can tell he played a big role in this taking over Venezuela thing. I guess their next move is going to be deporting all Venezuelans, saying the country is safe now, even though they left the old regime there intact.

Hippy

Stephen Miller is a plague

Chief Hot stuff

Its 3 days later
Smoke more weeeeeedddd!!!!

JohnWayneWasRight

You don’t understand race at all if you think light-eyed white (at least passing) guys have a hard time getting Latinas, who almost all turn fat af btw.

JabbaTheHutt

This is usually the reason why most racists turn into lifelong racists – some shameful and embarrassing act in their years at school involving either a girl not liking them or a bully stealing their lunch. Cowards hiding behind keyboards with no real guts or backbone.

JohnWayneWasRight

Our excuse is we’ve seen surrounding areas turn into Mexico 2.0. Not that complicated. It used to be easy to live in a nice, safe, and clean area to raise families, all throughout California. Now the enclaves are getting smaller and smaller and even then, their public spaces taken over by out-of-towners. Everyone who has the means, does white flight, whether they lie about it and virtue signal like you or not.

Rocks local

Don’t know anything about this topic , but the security outside the NYC fed courthouse this morning is impressive – almost as if we snatched a notorious dictator who was sitting on 300 billion barrels of heavy crude reserves and were going to arraign him

Hippy

Why NY?

I thought Trump did everything he could to discredit that court.

Rocks local

thought the same, but I assume it has to do with court security infrastructure issues. Only a few courts in the country that can handle the security needed for this kind of person. I think Miami, Norfolk (US Navy presence helps), NY, maybe a couple others, including LA.

Have no idea if this is why, just speculation.

Hippy

Norfolk sounds most convenient, but they wanted the publicity that the perp walk afforded Luigi.

Now it’s a thing

Barrelled

He would have put it in front of that cunt Cannon if he could have.

Hippy

Isn’t that Florida?

Barrelled

Yup

Picard Madeoff

So different than the picture of Orange County my mother painted for me as a kid. Yes Grandpa used to lease grazing land from the Irvine Company back in the 40s….

Hippy

It was quiet and fun. Offshores for days.

Then the money replaced farms with concrete

Picard Madeoff

I always hug my Laguna Beach buddies when they cry about how the artist colony they grew up in has changed.

Hippy

you know what’s most funny about Laguna?

not a single good wave

Picard Madeoff

So true! Mrs Madeoff made us take a family pic at Heisler Park back in October and I was watching some groms catching a right inside of Bird Rock. It didn’t look worthy of the effort

Hippy

there is a spot just south of downtown that breaks on a high tide and mixed up swell, Sleepy Hollow. Two hits max, but fun and right on the beach. I had a venue I worked right in front so I’d splash while the guys unloaded the trucks. It sounds funny, but it was fun. Rest of it sucks.

Picard Madeoff

I’d rather drink tequila at South of Nick’s while watching the tragically beautiful people


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