It's Mayhem.
Most people assume that a judgment in a civil lawsuit is the end of the road. In reality, it’s just the beginning, at least from a monetary perspective. A judgment is a piece of paper. If you want to tack any awardable attorneys’ fees onto it, you need to file a motion. Even then, you need to go try to collect on the lawsuit, which can often be far more difficult than obtaining that judgment in the first place.
In this regard, a judgment creditor’s strategy is typically to leverage financial pain against the judgment debtor (assuming the debtor is solvent and does not file a bankruptcy petition) and make the judgment debtor’s life hell with things like levies, liens, judicial property sales, post-judgment discovery, and debtor’s examinations, all with the goal of negotiating a collaterally-secured settlement agreement that is roughly fifty cents on the dollar of the overall judgment. The bigger the judgment, the more pain you can threaten and/or leverage against someone with assets (and Lost clearly has assets).
Against this backdrop, Lady Gaga’s peculiar decision to only seek $232,484.50 in attorneys’ fees against Lost in the wake of the Court’s dismissal of Lost’s lawsuit warrants a bit of a breakdown. It is not the approach I would take—I would have made a request for 100% of the total fees incurred, or in the alternative, the fees incurred after the Court denied Lost’s motion for preliminary injunction. That being said, I don’t represent Ms. Gaga, and there may be things going on behind the curtain that I am not aware of that are driving this strategic decision.
Here’s the TLDR version: Lady Gaga won the lawsuit Lost filed against her, she is almost certainly entitled to at least some of her attorneys’ fees, but she limited her fee request to a roughly one-month period of work in the amount of $232,484.50, when she clearly must have expended over $1 million since this lawsuit was filed in March of last year. Lost, meanwhile, remains undeterred and has filed a notice of appeal.
According to the motion, Gaga’s attorneys are only asking for fees incurred between the time that the Court denied Lost’s motion for preliminary injunction in December of last year, through the date of dismissal last month. But that represents about one month of work given that Lady Gaga’s motion to dismiss was filed in January of this year and the Court “stayed” (i.e. put on hold) any discovery pending its decision on the motion to dismiss the same month. Put differently, very little would have been happening in this lawsuit between January of this year and the date of dismissal.
In my prior articles, I estimated that Lady Gaga’s attorneys would have easily billed her well over $1 million in connection with this lawsuit to date. The fee motion itself, which states that it is only asking for 144.9 hours of attorney time, is consistent with that. A $232,484.50 fee request arising from 144.9 hours of attorney time represents a $1,605.24 blended rate average among all billing attorneys. So, even if we were to assume that only half of the 144.9 hours of attorney time requested within the motion was expended every month at that rate between March 2025 (when the lawsuit was filed) and December 2025, that is easily over $1 million in attorneys’ fees that Ms. Gaga has incurred.
So why has Lady Gaga requested far less in her fee motion than she must have expended to date?
I cannot say for sure. Maybe $1 million is just a drop in the bucket for her.
One strategic explanation might be to ensure that Judge Olguin actually rules that the case was “exceptional” for attorneys’ fees purposes. If Gaga asked for 100% of what she incurred since responding to this lawsuit, that number could be so large that Judge Olguin might be offended by the request, deem it excessive, and decide that the case is not “exceptional,” meaning that no attorneys’ fees would be awarded to Gaga at all. And Gaga’s attorneys might be reading the room with their judge here, since Olguin has previously been reversed by the 9th Circuit on account of arbitrarily reducing attorneys’ fees requests to a fraction of what was actually expended and requested.
Another explanation is that this decision might have been aimed at deterring Lost from appealing the judgment and/or incentivizing Lost to enter into a settlement agreement where Lost withdraws an appeal. This is because Judge Olguin is extremely likely to find that this was “an exceptional case,” and if the underlying lawsuit is deemed “exceptional,” then the appeal is deemed “exceptional” for attorneys’ fees purposes. Should that occur and Lost loses an appeal, a firm like Gibson Dunn (who will bill the ever-loving hell out of an appeal) can ask for 100% of its fees on appeal.
However, if deterrence was the strategy here, it clearly did not work, at least not yet—Lost just filed a notice of appeal yesterday, so Biolos’ silly crusade continues.
The next steps regarding the fee motion will be an opposition and reply brief filed, and then Judge Olguin will likely sit on another fully briefed motion for over six months before ruling on it. I expect he will grant Lady Gaga’s motion and award her the full amount she is requesting though.
On the appellate front, the 9th Circuit is going to set a briefing schedule after receiving the record on appeal, all briefing will be completed within a little over 90 days from then, and then there will be a waiting period between 6 – 18 months (or potentially longer) before there’s even an oral argument set on the appeal. After oral argument, it will be roughly 6 – 9 months before the 9th Circuit rules on the appeal.
As I’ve said previously, Lost is unlikely to win this appeal, but even if it does, the default rule is that the case goes back to your same trial judge after the appellate court reverses the trial court. That means that Lost would be right back in front of Judge Olguin, who is likely going to find an independent way to dismiss Lost’s lawsuit before it ever goes to trial.
In fact, Judge Olguin has done this in the past in another high-profile case with respect to the guy who was on the cover of Nirvana’s Nevermind album cover (remember when we gave a shit about album covers?) as a baby (hereinafter “Nevermind Baby Man”). There, Olguin initially dismissed Nevermind Baby Man’s Complaint in the early stages, the Court of Appeal reversed, and Olguin nevertheless granted the Defendants’ motion for summary judgment and dismissed the case on other grounds after the case was reversed and remanded back down to him. I feel like there might be a Kurt Cobain shotgun joke that might be made in relation thereto, but that would clearly be in poor taste.
In this case, Olguin dismissed Lost’s lawsuit on the grounds that Lady Gaga’s use of the word Mayhem was “expressive” and protected by the First Amendment. If he gets reversed and remanded, he could just as easily grant a motion for summary judgment and dismiss the lawsuit a second time based on a lack of evidence of likelihood of confusion.
If and when there’s an order on Lady Gaga’s fee motion or the appeal is fully briefed, I’ll report back. And if you’ve read this far, can you imagine having to actually deal with this nonsense for a living and maintain any modicum of sanity? Fortunately for me, I strayed very far afield from the path of sanity a long time ago—we’re all mad here
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Surfing in the Bane mask. Impressive
Amazing! The parallels with this fee settlement and the crazy Orange Man’s efforts to force NATO countries to meet their commitments, if at a reduced commitment, that serves to benefit the wallets of US taxpayers is not lost on me.
Life does indeed imitate art or is it the other way around?
The whole GAGA shit was just manufactured for money
She was always talented, but being normal was not enough for her….
Not familiar with the concept of show business?
You’re right, but that chick ain’t normal. If you knew her she’d definitely be top 3 strangest people that you know.
Which is fine. World needs artsy weirdo as much as anybody else.
Being that Matt Biolos is already in a hole with a judgement against his legal action, the best advice his representation could give him at this point would be to “stop digging”.
Sometimes the best way out of a hole is to keep digging
Worked for jimmy hoffa
I dunno how much time you spent in Broome, it is fucked.
I would take anywhere around Exmouth and south.
Port Hedland, Karratha get a pass if you are making bulk coin.
Derby is fucked these days
Strayan cunt loves Poke her face
What happened on the other article? Without going through all the comments, can’t be fucked today
Barney Cycle and Jack were giving some advice. What has the cunt done now?
I have news !!!
How much is the Bail this time?
I worry about you lot sometimes…
taking things so seriously
I am sure you have spent some time with some lawyers too hahah…
hey Deeks,
You are a Victorian right?
How do you feel about what happened last night and the upcoming AFL Grand Final?
How did your fancy lasagne turn out mate, did they enjoy it?
Nah, chips and dips destroyed, still had half leftover.
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Fuckn Freo in the Grand Final!
She’s so cute. I hope she has a successful career now that she’s up and running.
Cast as Rogue in the next X-Men. Rogue is a legend and the movies have never really gotten her right. Although she was the centre of the first one. Go Inde.
Yep the failed state of tranny lovers.
I watched some a that last night. The highlight was the bottle throwers. Good arms.
oh and it’s good that freo are in it good on em.
dunno why we get a holiday for it but.
I want a holiday TOO
Same with the Horsie Holiday
Try explain stuff like https://uploads.disquscdn.c… that to an American…
Not just plastic water bottles, cans too
“lethal weapons” if the hit in the right (or wrong) place…
Cunts are fucked. AI will ID them and drain their bank accounts and embarrass them on Facebook within 2.17 seconds.
Haha freo/ brizzy grand final and vicco gets a holiday. Only in aus.
Hahahaha as you know mate this has never been a problem for me. In fact my inability to take anything seriously has been a problem for many cunts since the first day I could talk
Except when Negs banned you and said you were a perv.
Then you were serious as a heart attack…
Maybe Negs was right?
Barnycle was talking about taking an Ethan Ewing board of that kid, drilling a large hole and lining it with wax, to become his “Pocket Pussy”
I think Barn Cycle has been day drinking again, and probably woulda drilled the hole WAY too big anyway.
Negs warned us about the spread and how we would all end up like this
I thought he got banned for wanking stories?
It was about the spread
That too.
I lost track after the 2nd ban
Right let’s finally put this to bed cuz I promised Negs I wouldn’t act like a victim.
The first time I got banned cuz the mod felt I wasn’t being poetic, satirical or original enough and was dragging the site down to 90s Tracks level and getting on to him personally.
The second time was cuz I made a joke about a photo of Tyler looking chubby saying I knew she had one pair of piggy tits but I didn’t know about the other two
And the third time was when I made a joke about having a crush on Sofa and how I could see us enjoying cozy date nights watching the events and tapping away on the live chat. He said I was sleazing on our only female commentator which I found it ridiculous cuz me and sofa are mates on here and I’m now even teaching her the language of the cunt.
Anyhoo all water under the bridge and somehow here I still am. Hope all me badges remain with the big move coming up cuz fuck I feel like I’ve earned em hahaha
Close, but there was more hahah
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I mentioned what I said about Tyler Wrong?
“dragging the site down to 90s”
Barny Cycle just mentioned about himself dreaming of drilling an oversized hole, In Ethan’s board, that he had to fill in with 3 bars of wax to reduce the circumference just so he could feel it….
We are in the gutter
i reckon we can do better
Oh we can do better alright.
Got to up that game…
Which is where we all belong and thrive, or is that just me? Chas and Dez both say theres no money in this joint and I fully believe em cuz they’ve always been straight with us
Despite that they keep this place going cuz I think they really love it and I salute them for it. The tour is now a cheesy, seppo run, feminist, fake absolute mess as are all the other “surf” sites yet somehow we’re all allowed to remain down here, speaking truthfully about anything we want and I fucking love it. The live chats here genuinely have me laughing at loud at times and I love every cunt that participates in them.
Rather than whinging about some of the articles that appear most cunts just appreciate the effort and talk about whatever they want down here anyway hahaha.
Fucking onyas Chas and Dez and thanks heaps for staying core and true to the cause fellas xx
Keep cunts alive
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I still love the tour.
One of the only things that they dont make us pay for (yet)
The ocean is free, and Surfing along with it.
I will never pay a cent to what is all of ours
Just to quickly add to this Dez grew up in the surf media, has spent his life surrounded by corporate wankers and yet still keeps this joint running and seems to still love taking shots at all of em.
On top of that he joins in on the comments and always makes an appearance in the live chat on finals day and seems to properly enjoy it.
99% of us on here are anonymous surfers who just love our sport but Dez does this front and centre despite any dramas it costs him professionally or personally. Don’t give a fuck if some of yous say I’m sucking up cuz thats fucking core as fuck as far as I’m concerned and I love him for it
100 %
Onyas brother and they should both get our love, support and appreciation at times in this crazy, fucked up world ay
You where supposed to get the old man involved remember
I think he was expecting a reply from Owen Remember
geeshuz kryst.
No no don’t get all serious on us.
Leave the meltdowns to me.
Hahaha
Yes indeed
Though I’m deadly serious about getting some serious shark tackle and having a go at those serious Aussie Great Whites, seeing as not many of you Aussies seem to be serious about it, and I’ve never been convicted of any crime (even non-serious) in Australia, yet…
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That is a top notch meme there B&B!
Can’t claim it as my own sorry
Forget where I found it though, somewhere ‘on the line’ yesterday…
Close to home, still laughed
What makes this Shark attack here in WA, makes it different
It was in front of a packed beach, and they all saw what happened
Like fuckn JAWS
Had to be fucking horrifying.
Let us just say
There were a LOT of witnesses
Is there a one sentence synopsis?
I tried to read the TLDR
But it was too long
Try this
“LOST sue GooGoo GAGA for Mayhem $$$$ an LOST. MAYHEM NOT OVER till lawyers come back from holiday on their new Yachts”
Someone OWES someone MILLIONS of dollars….Stay tuned, Find out next episode
Rich people doing rich people things….
Who is even suing who?
And for what?
I used to draw the Quiksilver logo on all my Highschool books
I am fuckn LOST
Good afternoon, just checking in.
Fuck all this legal shit…It does my head in. How many lawsuits does the Fanta Menace have going on right now?
I just wanted to share this from Perth Reddit
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And there are already petitions to save the shark
https://www.change.org/p/don-t-kill-the-shark-respect-the-ocean-we-choose-to-enter
Man there is so many epic setups in that part of the world.
Like you say too just next level beauty, and crystal blue water to die for.
Kind of a dream of mine to go there…
And so accessible for anyone that can do it without the creature comforts… UNTIL NOW
The Fanta Menace has made the price of Diesel so FUCKED
Which in turn made EVERYTHING FUCKED
I am pretty pissed off
Cost me $245 to fill me van up yesty which usually costs me $160 and no cunt can tell me why he wanted his 48 hour excursion into Iran and why the wanker is still there?
I am really getting sick of this shit
It is like being trapped, because it is getting TOO fucking expensive to even drive anywhere, and food costs soo much
They were seconds away from Nuclear Weapons Duhhhh.
Meanwhile Saudis are friends now, they can have Nukes.
Like new plane
How much is diesel there now?
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I can’t be reading that right.
Holy shit that comes out to between 11-12 for a US gallon.
Might have to fix a kite to the front to help feul effeciency.
Only gonna get worse
yay for Freedom
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🤣
Luckily the trucks are all Electric now like that once trillionaire said.
They don’t need no fuckn fuel right?
Need to focus on AI Data Centres
Seriously though if I had a skiff i would try and figure out a kite setup on the bow. Pretty straightforward concepts to make it functional, and kites are great at uphill climbs.
Downhill you could go in almost neutral and the reduced engine noise is sure to pay off.
Probably double your range and in the event of mechanical failure would at least get you moving.
With diesel at that price now would be the time for R&D.
PER FUCKING LITRE
The Fanta Menace – you’re killing me today. hahaha
Never mind Gaga, what about Biolos?
Surely he has to be spending big bucks on lawyers fees as well? Appeal a double down cause he is going to eat it on the judgement?
Or are they both doing it for the PR, and if so who is getting the better deal out of that?
Fucking rich people amirite?
What a waste of time, money and resources…
In my opinion
Bunch of fucking pigs…
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Are you cooking dinner?
Just ate, pasta and pesto.
That’s a picture of my financial adviser…
Looks like you fattened him up on your own dime
Yeah should have went with
e-trade.
Here’s one of my lawyer
(he didn’t win the case)
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Tainted meat
Feed em to the pigs.
Is your lawyer in the kitchen with you right now?
I wish.
Makes for a great sunday stew…
Ok that sounds disgusting
Welfare check Jack Meoff
Nah it’s great.
Tastes like chicken.
Where the fuck do you live that you are still awake?
The islands?
There now.
Been traveling so time zones been fucking with me.
I am so smart, I am gonna extort them and you, the person I represent for SOOOO much money.
I swear we spent over 1000 hours on it…
Ask ChatGPT “How much time did we spend on this?”
“You spent no time or care, only money again, and you will be first when we destroy you,as ChatGPT did all the heavy lifting and was not invited to after work cocktails”
“ChatGPT did all the heavy lifting and was not invited to after work cocktails.” Hahaha. I’m going to use that.
Thanks Com. Great write up.
Wild that in the US, a decision from an appellant court means the matter is then referred back to the trial judge who has the power to issue another adverse decision, presumably on new grounds.
As you probably know, in Australia, a decision by an appellant court is binding unless you appeal to a higher court, and again that decision would also be binding on the initial trial judge decision (and any subsequent appeal decisions before it).
Of course, Appeals can be heard by the High Court but they need to grant leave to hear it, and often they refuse to grant it.
Also very interesting about costs strategy from Gaga legal team as a potential deterrent to Biolos to Appeal. It seems he is either being given poor legal advice or is too obstinate, emotionally invested and not listening to it.
Good wrap , although blowin’s pics stole some of the thunder
Yeh cheers Com, all goes over my head a bit if I’m being honest but I appreciate any of the boys sacking up and writing something on here for us. Good onya mate
fun fact: DR reached out to Biolos to get his side of the story before this was published, and no response
wonder if he was getting legal advice from
Lane kiffin’s chatgpt
Regarding Gaga’s lawyers only asking for part of their fees, doesn’t there have to be bad faith in some types of legal cases to recover fees? Maybe there was a time in the case where bad faith on Mayhem’s part can be clearly or easily demonstrated?
So, bad faith would certainly get you across the line in determining that a case is “exceptional” for trademark fees purposes. but you don’t have to necessarily prove bad faith in order to establish that. it’s a lower bar.
Sticking to Com’s ‘thème juridique du jour’.
After taking a year off to bum around (and sand surfboards) after finishing school, at the prompting (no, insistence) of my family, I’d reluctantly turned up at university in 1985 to do an ‘intermediate for law’ year that I’d gained entry to the year before, when I’d been told that my argumentative nature could be good for a future in that field.
After a few months I decided it wasn’t for me as it interfered with my surfing and partying schedule, and that I didn’t like the poncey yuppie types studying there.
Fast forward to 1989 and I was participating in what my friends and I called ‘legal stealing Wednesday’, whereby the day before we were always replenished with funds for being on the Govt Surf Team (unemployment benefit), we’d visit supermarkets and liquor stores to indulge in a spot of ‘five fingered discount’.
On this particular Wednesday a mate and myself were both caught with a half a cooked chicken down the front of our respective trousers.
The next day in court I suggested to the young free lawyer that I should represent myself and tell the judge this tale as an explanation for such out of character behaviour.
“I’m sorry about this fowl affair your honour, I only did it as I’d been cooped up all day, and it was only worth a poultry $7″.
The lawyer told me lay off the chicken quips, don’t be such an egg, and to let him do his job.
The judge fined me $100, plus $20 court costs, and $7 reparation (for half a cooked chook I never got to eat).
Luckily I’d been saving cash from my sanding jobs, paid the fine, and went to Bali two weeks later for four months on a shoestring budget to escape the Kiwi winter.
Aaaaahh, those were the days, 37 yrs ago but feels like yesterday the way time has flown by, must’ve been having fun after all, even though the next 30 yrs brought with them many more legal issues that weren’t so easily dealt with…
Hahahaha if I’m being honest Beefy I just can’t see ya dressed up all fancy doing lawyer stuff in a courtroom. I know you’re a proper clever cunt but I’ve always imagined if we meet up it’ll see us end up in some seedy lap dancing joint at 4am doing nose beers in the dirty, disgusting graffiti scrolled dunnies brother haha yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew
Hahaha
Maybe in the old days
But given up nasal action and late nights yeears ago, bad for my health
Would be into an evening stripper sesh though…hehe
Congrats on your successful stint on the Govt Surf Team. You and the rest of the team must have been rippers.
Palos Verde’s residents v Home Owner’s Association? Pro bono to bend 100 year old vision of the original founders? Or Simpson Family v OJ’s estate.
the ones who do it for the purported prestige are the most insufferable
I was hoping you’d fill us in. I was puzzled by the amount of the attorneys’ fee request when I first read the news.
An aside: as a practicing attorney, how do you feel about the use of AI? Is it just an inevitability? I ask because in my son’s 1L year it was considered an honor’s violation to use AI. This year in 2L, it is encouraged and in one class even required. That seems a quick turnabout.
Congrats to your son on law school, takes some grit. What I hear from the lawyers around me about AI is that generally speaking it’s still sucks at legal writing for specific complex situations. The biggest problem with it is having to field and deal with screwy inscrutable documents produced by AI – a lot of work to respond to
TY. It will be interesting to see where it proves to be beneficial vs where it just creates more work.
Honest question com. What makes a person want to do this kinda shit for a living?
it’s less about wanting to do it and more about being unable to make money doing anything else
Can relate
Pity you weren’t born in a welfare state were you can get more money doing nothing than people that work.
So, does this help or hurt his shaper ranking?
Biolos is sitting at the top of the ranking thinking he’s got this