Greg Webber and banana board
This is not a flat bottom. See the concave all the way through to the nose? Anti-conventional? Yeah, it is. Dimension-wise, it's 5'10", 12 and a bit in the nose, 18-and-a-half in the middle, and 14" in the tail. | Photo: Richard Freeman/@freemanphoto

Opinion: “Wavegarden will be redundant!”

The shaper and wavepool inventor Greg Webber on the inevitable demise of Wavegarden… 

On a recent Thursday afternoon, I visited Greg Webber, the fifty-six-year-old surfboard shaper and wavepool inventor. Webber lives around five kilometres from the beach in a small, but well-maintained, apartment on top of an animal surgery, with his eldest son Hayden, who is 21.

I had promised a story about Webber to The Surfer’s Journal and had missed so many deadlines that last week I just scooped up my things without really thinking and took the long drive across Sydney to visit him.

Webber wasn’t in the finest physical shape, a bulging disc had left him imprisoned on a microfibre couch in a sort of permanent crash position, but he still managed an easy good nature.

We spoke about many things over an hour or so, including Kelly’s persistence with his banana boards, how to ride one (stand in the middle), a five-foot-eight-inch-long and fifteen-inch wide board he’d built that had no planshape (“It was only by getting rid of the planshape completely that I was able to understand the core fundamentals”); how wavepools are poised to become a multi-billion dollar industry. Webber actually said “trillion” but that seemed too bullish to me. Also, why his pool, when it is eventually built in “two years” is going to better than Slater’s and why Wavegarden is doomed, despite opening the door to everyone else.

Pertinent quotes…

On why surfing addicts us so and how that affects wavepool design:

“What’s incredible about surfing is transitioning from being in the moment, projecting into the future and getting back into the moment and projecting into the future. There’s no meditation that achieves it. Probably no sex that achieves it.  And the longer you do it for, the better the healing and the stability you get as a human being. That aspect, therefore of customising waves (in a pool), is vital. If you don’t customise it, you start to take the wave for granted and you get irritated that it doesn’t change shape at all.”

On the Slater pool: 

“Kelly’s made a stunningly perfect tube. But the fact that there’s whitewash right at the back of the board when the surfers, some of the time, are not even in the tube at all and there’s whitewash wanting to push forward, well, that’s a conical tube. We can ride them…just. They’re a little bit hard to ride. A cylindrical tube will only be made using a kelvin wake (Webber’s technology).”

On the cost of riding a two-metre, ten-second tube at a Webber pool:

“Close to ten bucks. But it’s a cylindrical perfect thing like what Kelly made but with a trough and you’re able to get back in the tube. And guess what else? You started off at one metre and it gradually builds up to two metres so guys who’ve never surfed two metre tubes in their lives will be going, what the fuck…When I asked capable surfers how many five second tubes they’ve had this year, all three of ‘em looked at each other and went… none. I said, well, five seconds is nothing. You’ll get five second, two-metre tubes every time you go to my pool.”

On Wavegarden: 

“They proved it. Everyone loved it. But they’re hamstrung by the dynamic of a low wave-rate, which makes it viable on a day-to-day basis. The thing now is people have recognised that a wave of a certain quality can be made and so an industry is on the cusp of happening. But it’s only going to happen if each of these pools makes a lot of money. Not just a little, tiny turnover. And that’s directly linked to the number of people going through the gates. One hundred and twenty waves an hour is 12 dudes getting 10 waves an hour. No one spends 30 million dollars or more building a pool on the hope that’s going to turn a profit. Because it can’t. You can’t change $10,000 per session. I wouldn’t go down that path, ever. And they’ll end up being redundant.”

On Webber pools:

“Only one (pool) is going to make money. My one. There’s only one design. And it all revolves around using the kelvin wake. It allows us to do 500 waves an hour as a base rate. We have a ride rate of 5000 rides per hour. That’s fucked up. That’s proper money.”

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Limbless Jack
Limbless Jack
10 years ago

So Kelvins wake, can anyone explain the math a little more clearly than that home made drawing on a napkin? Wikipedia fail

brozzie
brozzie
10 years ago

never seen any wavepools from this guy, at least wavegarden is producing burgers!

slater thenewdonkey
slater thenewdonkey
10 years ago

This fucking guy… Opiates are a hell of a drug

Caveira é Baitola
Caveira é Baitola
10 years ago

kkkkkkkk, i would write the same, but you were faster

A$AP Honky
A$AP Honky
10 years ago

good to see he’s doing it for the right reasons. top work old sport.

longtom
longtom
10 years ago

Could someone translate the first answer into English please.

Is he talking about psychic irritation or genital irritation?

german_surfer_007
german_surfer_007
10 years ago

I would say 90% of wave pool riders will be Arabs in burkinis on holiday. Surely Wave Garden is more suited to these guys than 2 meter barrels. What was the last company geared to surfers that actually made money? It’s the non surfers who you want to attract, Gregory. You can pay me royalties now to deutchbank.

Dumb Florida Redneck
Dumb Florida Redneck
10 years ago

Didn’t you see the illustration of the new schliterbahn guys proto, all the white guys are out back shredding and the Arabs are in the shore pound, until italo makes it all one wave.

german_surfer_007
german_surfer_007
10 years ago

I hope they open this wave pool in Germany

Surf Hunk
Surf Hunk
10 years ago

Blood Fued!
Greg Webber’s brain VS A reasonable level of intelligence.

seahound
seahound
10 years ago

What’s the budget Greg Webber? How much would it cost to build your wave pool? It sounds good, not that i have a spare gazillion to invest. Maybe you could talk to people like Fast Eddie or Bob McKnight, wealthy people who own most of the real estate at Sunset Point. Who knows? They and people like Dirk Ziff might be looking to take a punt and give something good back to surfing, at least for more of a return than watching the best surfers in the world riding shit surf on WSL these days. Good luck with it..

Brutus
Brutus
10 years ago
Reply to  seahound

DZ is already giving us crouching poolstance with K’s pool , , c’mon K crank up the size. greg , ahhhh , I hope the pool doesn’t go like the Banana’s!

seahound
seahound
10 years ago
Reply to  Brutus

Thanks Maurice. I wonder if Kelly and Dirk have ever considered combining forces with Greg Webber and taking a punt to make even bigger and better wave pools using the best of all designs. Would love to see that.

Brutus
Brutus
10 years ago
Reply to  seahound

yeah seems strange Kelly is in contact with Greg for bds , and hasn’t at least mentioned it. I just did the Boardroomshow here in SoCal , the amount of people I saw developing new better wave pools was astounding , and guess what all better than Kellys !
But I could never imagine a pro contest in perfect wave pool as it would probably allow only the most talented surfers to win AKA JJF , Gabs, Toledo as when you take out heat strategy , and the whims of mother nature , would be a bit like a 1/2 pipe snowboard event and as we know now the best snowboarders are now shunning the competition side and doing vids , not unlike the hipster/free surfers…….

seahound
seahound
10 years ago
Reply to  Brutus

True Maurice. I think our ‘sport’ is best left as it is. The unpredictable nature factors are what makes the magic of surfing, and the viewing of contests so enthralling and more even with ‘luck’. That’s what makes our sport so unique. Re wave pools, i still reckon all that money, plus government funding, could be better spent enhancing existing rock shelves and reefs that only need some filling in with boulders here and there to transform them into A-class waves. So many locations around the world with heaps of potential. Sandbars too. Look at Brazil for starters – just a few submerged A-shaped rock wedges planted on them sandbars, then let the natural sand flow cover them them up and, hey presto, some permanent good shaped reefs like Newport Peak in Sydney. Brazil would be a far better location then to stage WSL events.

Dumb Florida Redneck
Dumb Florida Redneck
10 years ago

Pretty sure they are banned but I’m just gonna leave this here.

James B
James B
10 years ago

Cool, mate!! Where did you find this thing??

brozzie
brozzie
10 years ago
Reply to  James B

shutterstock

Dumb Florida Redneck
Dumb Florida Redneck
10 years ago
Reply to  brozzie

Yeah when you find a slow person bowing with wieners you use it….

graham muschachos
graham muschachos
10 years ago

At least the surfgarden has come to fruition Greg! If your pools are such money spinning perfect waves, Where are they? You’ve been talking them up for close to 15 years mate!
People of Melbourne will be lining up for weeks to ride the average quality wave garden at Essendon and it will undoubtedly succed.
Can shape a decent craft though, Had a couple of magnificent webbers back in the day!

Tom
Tom
10 years ago

Yeah Greg BUT………………………………………………

Dumb Florida Redneck
Dumb Florida Redneck
10 years ago

Inanity; doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Producing over rocked pieces of shit since after they went out of style, the banana? !? Wtf really? Maybe that was his plan all along impede Kelly’s abilities while he works on his ” better” pool.

Professor Ski Lodge
Professor Ski Lodge
10 years ago

He’s an excellent talker. But smelly has produced a pool and all Webber has produced is a boat wake and an animated video.

Marc
Marc
10 years ago

Well he is an expert on redundancy.

Lemmy
Lemmy
10 years ago
Reply to  Marc

greg has mastered the art of selling..dont get confused

Dumb Florida Redneck
Dumb Florida Redneck
10 years ago
Reply to  Lemmy

Snake oil…

FelipesFrontFoot
FelipesFrontFoot
10 years ago
Reply to  Marc

Cold. Not unmerited, but cold!


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