Longtom: “With the women on full pay do they need baby-food scores fed to them like mashed banana?”

Exhibit A: Carissa Moore's 9.5 vs Filipe Toledo's 9.43…

Women’s Sport is hotter than fish grease. Pro leagues have popped up everywhere in Australia, pretty sure it’s happening in Europe and the Americas too.

Megan Rapinoe would be elected Prez of the USA if she ran against Trump in the 2020 election after winning the World Cup. Nothing but blue sky ahead for women surfers with pro careers in their sights.

Australian male pro surfing is circling the drain; the gals are dominating. 

In the last few days in between J-Bay and pumping surf at my home point I’ve visited the Skullcandy Grom Comp. Girls shredding everywhere, huge girl energy, everywhere you look girls are taking over.

You can’t deny the success of the investment Natasha Ziff, co-waterperson of the Year 2018, has made in Women’s Pro surfing. Three months ago, I watched a seventeen-year-old Floridian girl walk away from onshore 2ft D-Bah with a cheque for a hundred grand US in her hand.

WSL has made a gamble to put itself on the right side of history and so far the mainstream media has gobbled it up. It might turn out to be the smartest move pro surfing has ever made in it’s topsy turvy  forty-five-year history.

The most stunning aspect of the Founders Cup last May was how close or non-existent the gap between Gilmore, Wright, Moore and the top men was in the basin. Steph was the most watchable of all the surfers, male or female. Easily eclipsing, on that day, John John Florence. These aren’t value judgements, just facts of the matter.

The disparity between pay cheques between men and women has gone. The performance gap has not, but it’s closing. The most stunning aspect of the Founders Cup last May was how close or non-existent the gap between Gilmore, Wright, Moore and the top men was in the basin. Steph was the most watchable of all the surfers, male or female. Easily eclipsing, on that day, John John Florence. These aren’t value judgements, just facts of the matter. 

WSL now feels confident in an ever closer integration of mens and womens events. They share the same contest windows, and the same eyeballs. Both live and online. The days of a separate Tour schedule are almost over, apart from legacy events like Pipeline and waves still considered too gnarly like Teahupoo. They share the same audience, the same prizemoney, the same lineups, the same criteria but to even the most casual viewer the scale used to put a number on their rides is wildly different.

I said last night that it was a lack of capacity that stopped me watching more women’s pro surfing and that is true. But there is more. After watching six hours of men surfing and then in the same lineup with the same judging panel the numbers thrown at the women seem ridiculously inflated.

I said last night that it was a lack of capacity that stopped me watching more women’s pro surfing and that is true. But there is more. After watching six hours of men surfing and then in the same lineup with the same judging panel the numbers thrown at the women seem ridiculously inflated. 

Steph’s two sixes would be fours or maybe fives. Caz Marks’ eight would be more like a six. The most glaring example was Carissa Moore’s 9.5 from her quarter-final with Johanne Defay. A good wave, a great wave. Three nice turns, a fun little tube-ride.

Carissa Moore vs. Johanne Defay - Quarterfinals, Heat 2 - Corona Open J-Bay 2019

When we put side by side with Filipe Toledo’s 9.43 opener for his heat against the Panda the difference is stark. Staggering. Every variety of top turn and power carve on display with a strong ending. 

Filipe Toledo vs. Willian Cardoso - Round of 16, Heat 5 - Corona Open J-Bay 2019

Why the discrepancy? With the women on full pay do they really need the babyfood scores fed to them like mashed banana? Is it not disrespectful to their status as athletes and elite level surfers to be so clearly patronised by exactly the same judging panel using the same criteria?

What message does it send to the kiddies, the future?

That we’ll pay you the same but score you differently?

Down at the Oz Grom Comp I watched the best kids of the future. Gals shredding as hard as boyos. What incentive have they got to elevate the level, to future proof the sport if they know they are going to get fed highballed scores for surfing well below the level they are capable of reaching.

Equal pay has been a boon for women’s surfing. Time for an equal judging scale to be applied if the Tours are to co-exist.

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Low wide stinkbug stance

There’s only half a dozen of the women worth watching. The rest have some sort of gumby style problem, like they have a bad back or something. It’s pretty much the reverse of the men’s.

If we really want equality, put men and women together in the same events. I mean, that’s equality at its purest, right? Heck, then you can double the prizemoney!

Somehow the “I am woman hear me roar” brigade don’t like that much equality though, do they.

Shamus Beaglehole

pc b.s. has taken over, and they have no capacity for critical or logical thinking

davidcarson

yes yes yes. and if it oks to trash the men for style, safety surfing etc, then

Superworm

I always fail the ‘click the windows with a traffic light’

Rick_Deadman

I think it would work great on finals day. Longer heats equals more surfing and a more deserving winner.

84092, 92673

What i f the cutback is stiff legged and the air is of the credit card variety? It’s all subjective. Like Kelly once said, ‘all judged sports are suspect…’

84092, 92673

Griff too?

Tom

I’ve got a subjective system worked out – only prob is the 10s will be 6s and good waves will be prob 2s so noone will watch anymore!!!

samwaters

Who’s Meagan Rapinoe?? Seriously! Don’t have a clue.

Chief Hot stuff

True that!

Superworm

It should be a LGBTIQUXTVALIEN panel to be inclusive

Chief Hot stuff

Excluding hetero of course.

Superworm

Naturally

Superworm

… and since when did Disqus login become a Menzies test?

toofattosurf

carissa trumps jesse any condition…

Preston

Wait, there are no “athletes, networks or media” that are supporting the US Government and/or POTUS? Pretty sure Robert Craft, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent and Fox News, are on the program. No?

Rick_Deadman

Should overlapping heats be used to run the mens and womens at the same time?

toofattosurf

priority issues…

Superworm

I would enjoyed watching Carissa smoke some of the guys

Chief Hot stuff

Only on lay days.

ricmatic

Equality – whatever.
I’m trying to arrange my nap schedule. Is the contest gonna run today?
A little help here.

Mads Naeraa

It bloody well better!

Superworm

I’m warming my thumbs in anticipation

NEGATRON

Equal pay but certainly not equal opportunity to surf the best conditions…

Weslley’s Secret Life - Wozzle

…the conditions are fun…no, wait, the conditions are fun but small! – send out the girls! …and also; it’s a matter of heat scale – no way Defay is gonna pull a Toledo 9,43 and fuck up the scale! That 9.5 is the pinnacle of girls surfing right now!

NEGATRON

Throw them all out at once?
True equality would be having no gender differences in competitive Surfing…

astro

Ken oath, Negs.
Throw them all in together. That would get rid of over half of the wannabe sponnos in one swoop.
There’s way too many stickered up brats who think they’re shit hot and that this is their career so they have the right to drop in and act like fuckwits.

Weslley’s Secret Life - Wozzle

No way! Sports is perhaps the only place where women won’t perform as well as men! The equal pay setup by the Wozzle is just a moon flag so that other areas follow suit. And I am very okay with that!

NEGATRON

Can someone explain to me why women dont surf as well as the men?

Shamus Beaglehole

I an curious about this as well, and have asked this question before. surfing is not really about muscle, it certainly seems possible, but so far it has not.

Weslley’s Secret Life - Wozzle

Come on guys! Physicality, reflexes, hand to eye, focus ability, aggression, etc, etc, etc. Hence why they don’t compete in the same pool. It’s just a great example for the whole social spectrum to have them paid the same.

Dogsnuts

Horses for courses, I’d like to see a Steph vs Panda though.

Jordy's pout

Rosie vs Potts would captivate my attention considerably

Dogsnuts

Could you imagine the Commentators Cup as opposed to the dogshit Corona Highline cool fest?

Mapski

Hold it at Mav’s.

Jordy's pout

With commentary courtesy of beach grit

samwaters

The girls are on equal pay only due to the kindness of Dirk and Natasha –as they do not have the same viewing draw as the men……and many surf companies are still hurting….who’s really wearing a Quick or Hurley Tee these days……

Captain Planet

my dads friend wears a lot of Hurley. He likes to stand out at the swap meet.

Chief Hot stuff

Saw a homeless guy wearing a quick hat. A gave him thumbs up and he gave me thumbs down

Christian S. Molnar

You want stark contrast. Watch Felipe’s 2 high scoring waves in the quarters on split screen with Gabby the Whiners. Thats stark contrast. Indefensible.

Christian S. Molnar

Bring it Bex

Chief Hot stuff

He Musta cock blocked you recently or smthn. Or refused your advances.

Christian S. Molnar

Ha. I knew I could count on you BV

Mads Naeraa

Then watch Medina’s best waves at Bells vs Filipe’s. Other way around.

And Filipe scored much higher than Medina in the J-Bay round of 16, so I’m not sure what you are railing against. Two 9s vs 6 and 7.

Dyson V10

bring back the zoom lense…


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