The noted shaper on his defence of the made-in-America surfboard industry…
Three days ago, the shaper Peter Schroff’s Instagram account, a vehicle he used to shit on made-in-Asia surfboards, had been disappeared.
Or if you want a quick education into his attacks on Slater Designs, Firewire and so on, click on Blood Feud: Schroff v Hayden Cox, Relentless: Schroff’s War on Mark Price, Peter Schroff Does Yellow Face, Modern: Peter Schroff Doubles Down and Three-Way: Dorian v Tudor v Schroff.
I’d tried to contact Schroff, who is sixty-three years old, retired and living in a gorgeous shack in San Pedro, Los Angeles, a couple of times, Facebook, IG, the usual. At the end of my last story, I tried to smoke him out by calling him a sissy.
An email was duly relieved: “We think it might be in your best interest to print the truth save your credibility. Last we heard you were going to interview us to get the truth from the horses mouth, the next day Beach Grit is sporting A FireLiar ad & the interview never happen. You know darn good ’n well what this battle is about, Over sea surfboards production is flooding our market with unethical business practice!…… seems there’s some dirty hands involved here.”
Earlier today, I called Schroff. A soft voice answered.
“Who in the heck is this?”
Oh it’s Derek, BeachGrit. Tell me, where are you and what are you doing?
“You know, having a cigarette and a beer. Doing pretty well. I haven’t received a call from Australia in twenty or thirty years.”
What happened to your Instagram account?
“Well, the big boys had it yanked off Instagram. It just disappeared. No warning, no nothing.”
Are you going to start a new account?
“Well, you know, the thing is, it took years to develop that following. We were gaining momentum ’cause it was definitely hurting Firewire. I heard they got it disappeared through an attorney. Said, they’re killing our business.”
I mention that Mark Price told me he had nothing to do with it and that it was, most likely, removed because of what was perceived to be racist content.
“Ohhhh,” says Schroff. “You’re from BeachGrit. Shit, it took me a while. I can barely understand English let alone an Australian accent on top of it.
“But, yeah, everybody sent me messages saying I gotta go look at BeachGrit, that it was very one-sided on the Firewire side. You know, once Kelly Slater joined Firewire it started taking off, outta control. The way I see it, another five years there won’t be any surfboard industry except for the Asian one.”
The American board builders are cutting each others’ throats to sell boards. They can’t compete with boards landed for 120 or 150 dollars. It’s a complete mess here.
I ask: but doesn’t the made-in-Asia phenomenon create a point of difference for the custom shaper?
“Well, you know, you got the little hipster thing over here, that’s the custom thing. That’s maybe five percent of the market and at the rate it’s going, ninety-five percent of the market will soon be Asian-made boards. The American board builders are cutting each others’ throats to sell boards. They can’t compete with boards landed for 120 or 150 dollars. It’s a complete mess here. They’re cutting corners to make boards cheaper and it’s ruining the market. Nobody can compete with the consignment surfboard strategy. That’s causing a lot of damage. Every shop is taking 120 Firewires in their store because they get ’em for free, basically, they only have to pay when they sell ’em. And you know how surfboard shops are. They don’t pay their bills too well. It could be six months before the surfboard maker is paid. Firewire has the backing to pull that off.”
Interestingly, the consumer hasn’t directly benefited from the reduced cost of wholesale .
“The retail cost is pretty similar whether it’s made in Asia or custom-made here but the fact is, they’re giving the retailer a lot bigger profit margin and consignment. It costs a custom shaper 215 just to get his shape glassed.
I’ve been surfing for fifty-five years and I’m watching it just turn into a toaster oven business. The methods that we’re using is to ridicule Kelly and Mark Price and to have local people be too embarrassed to buy the boards. That’s the strategy.
“And besides,” says Schroff. “I’m retired. I just build boards for friends. I might do one or two boards a week. I’m not fighting for my livelihood. I’m fighting for the surf culture. I’m the elected jack-ass. That’s my stand on it. And, believe me, I’ve never been political in my whole fucking life. This thing is outta hand. I’ve been surfing for fifty-five years and I’m watching it just turn into a toaster oven business. The methods that we’re using is to ridicule Kelly and Mark Price and to have local people be too embarrassed to buy the boards. That’s the strategy.
“Nobody wants to touch me with a ten-foot pole. I’m a stick of dynamite. Most people are watching in the background. But it’s leaving its mark. Definitely every surfboard builder and retailer in the US knows what’s going on.
“Can you name anything that’s handmade any more? Skateboards are over and there’s nothing else. So it’s like preserving an endangered species. And, believe me, America is rooting to win this fight.”
Anyone care to share where posts by Mr. Schroff can be found these days?
Fuck if I’m 63 and talking shit on Insta just put me out of my misery. There is a large caliber handgun in a safe in my closet. Code is 619760. I’m being serious…
this is interesting and i have seen that DHD has something which says is made in Burleigh. how many other shapers are proudly displaying the local product motif on their boards? But, is this all firewires problem? I think from my uneducated position, that since Clarke foam threw the towel in, the surfboard industry in America has been struggling. Has the grit done a report into the surfboard manufacturing industry (apart from the chat with the above dudes)?
I would have to think that it would be a conflict of interest for beachgrit to post an article airing out the manufacturing/business practices of the big surfboard companies. Mayhem, Sharp Eye, FireWire, etc. have all been featured advertisers at one time or another here on the grit, so I don’t know how well it would actually pan out on that end from a financial standpoint. I would have to say though, given all the traffic these Schroff/surfboard production/overseas articles seem to generate here, it could go down in beachgrit history to be one of the most heavily engaged topic articles in Disqus history.
want it handmade, jack off some…
I realy hate to tell you guys, but I’ve owned about 20 odd TSA, Thai built boards, poly styrene and PU, and their construction and longevity is as good as any board made in oz
Zapala is a fucking legend
¡BeachGrit: Wave pools, Sharks, Schroff!
bags of dicks? Jesus for a minute I thought I found a worthy rival.
“Can you name anything that’s handmade any more?”
A handjob?
Ok, I’m leaving.
a deuce? (granted its not “hand” made but made by the individual using materials from varying locations)
I see a lot of “Designed in the USA” logos on Surfboards these days, I think I have see it on Rusty’s and some other big brands. This is just trying to confuse buyers into thinking that the surfboard is made in the USA when it’s likely that it’s just the CAD file that was done by some guy in the USA and emailed over to Asia where all the production took place?
I’m surprised not more is being said about this.
Designed in the USA like Apple! (Manufactured by nimble Asian hands!)
Well if the clothing industry is anything to go by this dude is Nostradamus.
If you wanted to have a good windsurf board in the eighties, you had to buy a custom board from a shaper (or shape your own). Ten years after, you wouldn’t have find a pro shaper…
I guess it’s gonna be exactly the same for surfboards.
Damn this thread looks fun!
Can I wade in with some opinion based on no knowledge whatsoever of the industry or main players?
“Ohhhh,” says Schroff. “You’re from BeachGrit. Shit, it took me a while. I can barely understand English let alone an Australian accent on top of it.
hahahahhahahahaaaaa. Gotta pay that.
Is Kelly slater “dey took eer jobs? ” I’m about to follow the IP or VPN and at least figure out a region his silence is telling.
Yes, of course – how did you know!? u must be of super high intelligence!?
No I’m a dumb cunt who shapes.
Bam
Cocaine is one hell of a drug..
So is greed
Hint: not Kelly.
i was only ever good at copying McCoy’s Lazer Zapps. https://uploads.disquscdn.c…
from a shapers point of view, yours are way worse than my photo shops Mr. Price.
HA no photoshop here – just the original 😉
I just meant saying they were similar, he’s an insane artist and he did sort of modernise and make the boards work for cal I mean I have a board by a hall of fame shaper from 88′ that’s a dead on McCoy but with his twist.
Oh you are evolving!
Dude, I know you you know but – whoever he is he’s just looking to troll.
Fuck him. He’s all bait n switch.
I’m bored
dont fucking ruin my fun ASStro Boy
lol, there ya go.
Have fun !
I mean it’s really the consumer.
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Does anyone really care?
nope!
Well you cared enough to create an avatar and go by his name?
i learned from the best a copying others identity (see post above re McCoy..) does not mean i care, cuz i really dont! also, Schroff is NOT a stick of Dynamite, more a soggy roll of toilet paper
Okay mark I get it.
I’m taking bets here who thinks this guy is mark price? 5/1 odds.
HA sure budd!
Well, you have the same “fuck you were gonna flood the market attitude, while ridiculing real builders” so easy mistake.
?? back to the coke table for you before you get tooo paranoid..
Nah, I’m good. It’s about pacing yourself.
haha
If that really is you Pete, do you believe I outlined your case fairly in this story?
Come on!! look at my spelling – you can actually read this! No im not fucking Peter Schroff, was just taking the piss – changed it back to my “real” name now hahaha
Yeah after I said you were price, does nam get good blow ?
wouldent know, u tell me??
Well after being kept in a prison of opium and lady boy hookers, in the second Vietnam war & seeing lost blow carbon wraps out like fucking ar 15 bullets to the industries chest I don’t remember much.
still surprises me that Schroff and his band of missfits never went after their “local” boy for going overseas?? bit of a bitch move if u ask me..
obviously you never follower my Instagram. I respect that the guys on Costa mesa are making the good ones, then their being cut with veitnam shit, good old drug dealing tactic, sell good, cut it to shit second batch, cash out and say sorry.
no i do not – what is ur handle?
I’m not looking to get taken down.
have u got permanent dents in ur forehead from the tinfoil??
just so you dont wig out – yes i changed my name again as im new here (well on the comment board) and trying to find a good one.. could change a few times more so just breathe and stay calm…
Dude I’m pretty busy, making more anti FireWire Photoshop.
and i care because???
motherfucker you are redundant.
nope, im a bag of dicks
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i dont really like the green ones…but the orange ones..FUCK ME DEAD they are good!!!!!!!
Banana runts are my favorite phallic candy.
Enough of the Mum insults Goose… please, they’re just so uninspiring and dull.
Mom! He started it, I kept it to dick jokes
At least I’m coming up with new material…. shit
thats the point exactly “Coming up with” – all fake news 😉
Well it appears my image privileges have been revoked however, I can still call you a cunt, turd out!
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YES!!! u nailed it!!
The outerknown logo is the stinkweed logo missing a link.
Dude it’s price or chuey
I’m wondering if it’s smelly himself?
No Mum jokes here buddy, you and this site are better than that.
Namaste.
So far, 1236 people… not up there in terms of online traffic, but enough of a spike to indicate a mild level of interest.
Good point
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lmao
Other ones are better
don’t post them though..
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I guess you missed the Easter egg tampon.
Machado man Randy savage
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I mean without heavily redacting it I can’t show the email but it’s in schroffs London, slums Venice English trying to get fins for his “new firewires but lost his credit card” I mean if it ain’t schroff,somebody got a hol https://uploads.disquscdn.c… d of his vocab very well.
I find his posts hilarious , mixing humor and still knee capping Kelly and Firewire …don’t see anything racist , as all the money that finances Firewire is merrycan , wait until Donald finds out ,25% duty at least to save merrycan jobs …..or maybe this is another Kelly conspiracy , Control the WSL and Market the Kelly Bath Dud , then wipe out the USA’s surfboard makers , then attack from the OK corral, skulling Purps and michelfob beer , ah the empire of KellyZiff!
I know this is pretty random and possibly unfair but what the hell.
A few days ago at my home beach, I was rapidly preparing to go for a very fun surf in 4′ wedged up beachies, when a bearded man with a CA accent came trudging up the sands. He had under his arm a SD Sci-Fi, or should I say an ex-SD SciFi. Because the thing had blown to bits pretty much. Snapped across the mid-section, glass hanging off everywhere.
So I took a close look. Holy crap. There was just nothing there. The glass layer was paper-thin, with almost no resin content. I tore off a bit and snapped it in half between two fingers, pop. Nothing stood between the styrofoam and snappage other than the high density foam bar down the centre line, and it was only dug into the styrofoam about an inch, if that. The styrofoam itself hadn’t so much snapped as just disintegrated. Worst bit of manufacturing I’ve ever seen in a surfboard.
The guy said it was his second one in a row and he wasn’t going back for a third.
I have FWs, Tomo Evos and ones from before that, they’re solid enough. I have an FST with that internal carbon bar skeleton, and an actual original balsa perimeter FW from the first batches, they’re not even really dented. What the hell is going on?
Hoo boy, you done gone opened the whole QC can of worms, right there, Nick !
Yeah well like I said, maybe it’s unfair, you can’t base a whole company on a coupla duds, but fucken hell, literally the worst made board I’ve ever seen.
Yea, like what happens to the guy who’s had 2 in row ?
Where do you go – back to the retailer, who passes it up the chain etc etc etc
We all know shit can happen and boards break but if you can demonstrably prove that it’s not fit for purpose – then, jeez – money back, dude !
I’ve seen certain batches turn beer colored in a matter of sessions, some stay white, I’ve lost track of the whole construction thing because it seems like at this point they are just throwing spagetti at a wall to see if it sticks, while stealing ideas from 90’s windsurfing and backyard guys and calling “innovation”
I love that people keep buying them after this happens. I don’t really care where any of this stuff is made, but if I know something is crap, I am definitely not going back. Apparently, I’m in the minority.
I had a guy in the lineup bragging ” yeah I just bought another one!” The thing was so yellow and delamed, all I could say was, well maybe you’ll have better luck with this one! He replies, “this is my fourth! ” I showed him my quadaxis glassed shorty that I’ve had for almost two years, it’s still as white as the driven snow, resin research and quality composites make a great board, but really with most these guys,I could shit a gold brick and they would be like “it’s not 14k” I don’t understand how, the Asians get cut slack, but one pinhole and I have literally had a gun pointed at me over it.
Same with Ci’s see it all the time but no one says shit
Particularly on the boards that come out of their in-house facility (map coordinates logo on the tail), which is bizarre because one would figure that CI’s best work would be coming out of their own factory.
if you check the Firewire/slaters , you will find that there is actually no carbon , but screen printed carbon lookalike …so if you break your board , or even crease it ,you have been sold something that actually is false advertising and they should replace the board , so then you sell the replacement not used , and get adecent board!
Yea, I get it and you could do that.
Doesn’t really solve the problem.
I’d get money back and buy a decent board.
The Industry needs to set in place some minimum standards, or a guarantee
that the board has met some “best practice” standard of manufacture.
They’ve already kinda implemented a “best practice” standard under the guise of eco-certifications. Sustainable Surf is a bunch of grade-A bullshit in my opinion
Yea – I agree. Like that article last week on blanks. pffftt fuck wow a 25% green board … The worlds gonna eat them up at a premium. Good luck rowing that boat Jon.
Just need a standard that basically says this here board you’re shelling out for is fit for purpose. Glassed, cured and sanded to an industry spec.
Hell, we’re still gonna break em … shit happens but at least the board was constructed properly.
I also heard the high density foam “stringer” is actually just a peace of foam inlaid about a half inch deep into the styrofoam blank. I’d love to examine the guts of one of those piles of shit
I scoured google images for a photo of you in a shaping bay to rebut this comment but you’ve come up clean. Until next time my nemesis.
We’re not so different, you and I. Hang on I’m not a goofy foot.
Yeah the 10 inches of height and dong length is negligible.
On behalf of all sinister foots. ouch.
been going on for about 12 mths , quality is down every year , to the point now they are the most unsustainable surfboard on the market , because their life time is so fucken short , and what resale value , it’s a con job on the sheep/market.
Surely it’s shoot-yourself-in-the-foot type stuff over time. The kinds of people who buy SciFis etc may seem like sheep but in fact they will be pretty keen surfers, maybe not super good but keen, they will surf it often and find it out pretty quickly. They’ll be like the guy I saw, maybe going again one time, then bailing for life.
On a similar note, I saw three Made In Thailand JS epoxies on the rack at the local Rip Curl store that were yellower than…well… maybe we won’t go…there… and the Made In Vietnam epoxy I have in my own rack, unsurfed for six months, no open wounds, is just as yellow. It’s like they all have some terrible liver disease.
Fluorescent light yellows them
That’s also unnecessary, I have seven or eight PUs glassed with epoxy resins and they haven’t coloured, some of them are five years old.
My eye symmetry is the yellowest and weakest board I have ever owned
You should give it back.
Yes, its quite weird though, max is usually known for his build quality is he not
Iv got a Delta epoxy pu that has been through the wringer and is in amazing condition all things considered and it nearly 10 years old , fucking good product if made properly.
I agree, totally in the PU/epoxy camp. There’s no reason for anyone to ride a board that’s anything less than excellent these days.
u mean the LOST Vietnam builds?
I have that disease! Will die happy though.
No one gets out alive, might as well do it with yellow face (via jaundice, of course).
Remember Golly Wogs? Vile propaganda toys. Fun though. I Liked mine.
High time for a review NC. Take no prisoners!
“It sucks”- Nick
Concise and precise Benadick.
It’s not a longtom review.
Are you Short tom?
The artist formerly known as turd Ferguson.
I like your work
I love your work, I was just saying no rabbit trails from Nick, he’s got laird movies to star in.
The general surfing public needs to see/hear more about this type of shit. The board blew apart because it was built by people who don’t understand how to properly build a structurally sound surfboard. They’ve been trained on how to cut every single corner possible throughout the production process with the idea that so long as the finished product is cosmetically verified in the end, it’s ready to be loaded onto the container
that’s what I was trying to say before literal bag of dicks went middle school. They are not mixing the epoxy right, probably not spackling etc, they take 12 people to build one board,I know cuz I’ve seen it, cobra has literally taken over 70% of epoxy boards ordered.
You need to write an article on this stuff for BG.
I have one Asia board, Modern Surfboards Blackbird that I bought on deep discount as a desperation back up in the very likely event up here that long drives to fickle spots end up as nearly-flat novelty sessions. It is such a piece of shit. Brittle as fuck – so much as glance at it sidelong and it springs a leaking ding. It’s like they grotesquely fucked up the resin to catalyst ratios, then under-applied, and then sanded down into the mesh of the glass. I literally keep a roll of gorilla tape next to it on the rack. The thing makes me feel a little bit disgusted every time I look at it. Should have just bought a better quality foamy for the inevitable Ben Gravy days.