"Been surfing for almost 40 Years. It’s my favorite thing to do. And I pretty much can’t stand 80% of the surfers I meet, in or out of the water."
The three-time world surfing champion Joel Tudor, if logging can still be considered surfing as such and here the jury remains out I think, is under siege tonight in his San Diego lair after users on Reddit objected to his appreciation for the ol Stainless Banner or as some call it, The Dixie Swastika.
The Confederate flag most commonly recognised today, of course, is the Stainless Banner, designed by Billy Miles as a proposed national flag but rejected.
A little Confederate flag history for the non-Americanos.
The Stainless Banner was adopted as the square battle flag for the Army of Northern Virginia under Robert E. Lee in 1862 for battlefield distinction from the U.S. flag.
Its modern resurgence began in 1948 when segregationist “Dixiecrat” presidential candidate Strom Thurmond used it as a protest symbol against Truman’s civil-rights initiatives.
In the fifties, it was widely adopted by opponents of desegregation, the Ku Klux Klan, and Citizens’ Councils, cementing its association with white supremacy in the public mind.
Several Southern states incorporated versions into their state flags during this period (Georgia 1956–2001, Mississippi until 2020) explicitly as acts of “massive resistance” to federal integration orders.
Some Southern whites embraced it as a non-racial symbol of regional heritage, rebellion and pride in Confederate ancestors.
This “heritage, not hate” interpretation gained traction in popular culture via the 1970s television show The Dukes of Hazzard (whose car, the General Lee, bore the flag) and Southern rock bands such as Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Anyway, on a recent post, Joel Tudor, a forty-nine-year-old father of two but who still has the ethereal and angelic face of a child and the saddest most liquid brown eyes, wrote the comment,
“One of my biggest regrets on passing up an old board was years ago in Florida. I seen a Hansen Gerry Lopez model that the entire bottom was a resin colour Confederate flag – the intricate detail on the stars was mind boggling! Whoever did the work was seriously talented with resin and tape.”
An innocuous enough comment, you’d think, but over at Reddit, where little boys play with big words and complex idealogical theorem, it was as if Joel Tudor had praised the chemistry behind the German National Socialists’ use of Zyklon-B.
Indeed,
“I love when these “athletes” try to soften their weird beliefs by muddling them with positive sentiments. “Whoever designed this gas chamber really had an eye for craftsmanship! I really appreciate quality engineering!”
Under the topic header, When is Joel Tudor going to be dropped from vans. We all know he’s basically a Nazi, Reddit users tee off on the noted surfer, shaper and grappler.
That’s all that needs to be said. Been surfing for almost 40 Years. It’s my favorite thing to do. And I pretty much can’t stand 80% of the surfers I meet, in or out of the water.
That’s all that needs to be said. Been surfing for almost 40 Years. It’s my favorite thing to do. And I pretty much can’t stand 80% of the surfers I meet, in or out of the water.
Dang surfers ruined surfing.
One time a year or so ago I was walking back to my car when some dude complimented my board as I passed his truck. I stopped and we chit chatted a few minutes about the conditions, different style boards, etc. As we parted ways after a few minutes of geniuinely pleasant surf talk, I noticed his collection of MAGA bumper stickers. Q-adjacent, dumb consipiracy shit with some build the wall, POW MIA etc. I couldn’t be more opposed to his type of politics, and flaunting it on his vehicle like a petulant little shit. Surfing may be the one topic that guy and I mostly agree on. So yeah, even surfers that seem cool can be shit heads.
Stupid, uneducated humans like to really double down.
It’s why they’re anti-education and anti-science.
Because they can’t understand concepts, they’re convinced it’s all mumbo jumbo designed to make them feel stupid.
Joel the troll loves to be “devil’s advocate” on the internet, he’s not so cocky about it when you run up on him at Cardiff. Eptomizes “I just a prank bro”
wow I’m joel i can tip toe around on a longboard I’m so core and so fucking relatable and i seen this board in florida that was so racist and fuck i loved it so much its one of my biggest regrets of my whole life right next to not being good enough for a shortboard. Dont tread on me bro. florida used to be respected, florida used to be the king of surf, florida used to rule the fucking world now look at it. I aint seen the sunshine in 3 damn days
It’s been said before, but Trump’s first campaign, second and third and openly being a Nazi really happened simultaneously here. It’s such a bummer. There is a ton of Twitter influencers who made daily content that we discovered was all Russian trolls influencing Americans. A lot of real people got sucked into that alt right pipeline and got stuck there. So here we are. Ten years later. Giant subgroup of Americans are all turned into mad nazis and Russia is laughing at how cheap and easy it was to destroy our country from within. United we’re strong. Divided (by race, sex, religion) we are weak.
He’s the leader of the retro , single fin taliban. If you ride a modern board on the wrong conditions, you won’t get an invite to the duct tape invitational.
Down at the bottom of the thread, alone, unliked was this, howevs:
Reddit users are so lame and uneducated. You idiots do realize nearly 260,000 confederate soldiers died in that war right? And that the vast majority of those soldiers didn’t own slaves or even think about slavery that often right? Most soldiers were drafted/social pressured to fight, or were out there defending their home-state to protect their families. There’s still a vast lineage of people who defend from confederate soldiers, and it’s a part of American history. I’m proud of both sides of that war. Even the Democrats who were fighting to keep slavery. Yes it was a dark time, but it was a learning curve for the USA and we became stronger after the fact. You history-erasers are way too tied up in your feelings.
Oh and this from a centrist: I don’t agree with Joel on much, but I don’t think he’s ’basically a Nazi’
Nazi or no? I say no!
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The real tragedy is how much time he spends on social media spewing random shit. Like no matter what side you’re on, can we all agree if we had Joel Tudor’s life we wouldn’t be wasting it on bizarre political rhetoric on Instagram? It’s hard to respect him now (and I say that as someone who understands his immense impact on ‘90s surf culture and working closely with surf history’s icons) but if I had his resources and free time I’d be traveling, reading books, surfing, shaping, or dropping in on native Hawaiians at the Pipeline (oops who said that, go find that clip on IG, maddix_alotis) like man, anything besides this it’s so loser-ish
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Negs, is the comment life line down, if so, what do I do for guidance and entertainment?
Slap your wife in the face and see what happens.
And here I was mate thinking you’d done the right thing and gone ahead and banned me haha
lol
It is always on the cards with a mouth like yours mate…..
Wait till they realise if they try to lock you up
“None of you understand. I’m not locked up in here with you. You’re locked up in here with me.”
Hahaha faaaaaark orfff cunt you know I have Tourettes
Haha Derek finally fed the monkeys.
I am interested to know if any fine gentlemen on here have ever had any dealing with Mr Tudor in real life? I just wondered how he was? I say this cuz I shared a very uncrowded and pumping Cloudies lineup with Mr Medina back when he had a bit of a bad boy reputation but I found him wonderful company and a good cunt to share some pits with. Then again my experiences around Mr Carrol, Occy and Old Baldie I would describe politely as underwhelming at best hahaha
I have know him since he was kid….also know his son quite well……..and he’s a bit of a historian where he loves the history of surfboard makers and also the surfers of yesteryear which nearly all longboarders covet as they basically still ride the same boards …but I think Joel just loves the era and relates to how creative surfing was.
He’s a really good guy with opinions , which we all have…..but his passion for surfing upsets a lot of people as he says what he thinks……so is a loony left or rabid right…who cares??
Cheers mate, interesting and good to know. I have said on here before I don’t always agree with everything he says but I respect him for expressing his opinion and standing by it. Surfing is already vanilla enough ay
Pretty much the same with our Jon Seaton Callahan the first on here. I dont agree with everything he says but I respect what he has done and where he’s been and the fact he will stand up for his opinion. A difference of opinion is a good thing if cunts are actually willing to listen to what the other side is saying
ha listening in this day and age……seems to be from a bygone era……I just flew from LAX to Hawaii an Hawaiian air…..no charge for surfboards…thanx Joel….
Hahaha yeh but its a lovely thought ay
Were the boards 10’6’s packed 4 strong into each bag?
yep
I know him loosely from having shared the lineup with him over the years on the North Shore.
As Brutus describes him.
Actually has skills and talent on other lengths of foam.
Still it’s not going to stop me from lightly roasting the roastable sides…
Haha as it should be mate, one of the highlights of my day is writing off me mates at work. Me and my best mate have always agreed if we could get wave of the day at pumping Kirra or watch the other one completely fuck it it would be option two every time haha
I reckon thats why we love calling each other cunt down here too, keeps people grounded and stops fuckwits getting up emselves cuz no-one needs that ay hahaha
“… ethereal and angelic face of a child “
🤣
the guy looks like RFKs torso.
Hahahaha
Get em’ Joel!
The Kooks of Hazzard.
As easy and fun as it is to trash Joel, we also have to keep in mind that he’s working with the education of a 3rd grade and the maturity of a 4 year old girl. He’s a toxic individual and it’s a shame he’s still getting press despite is abhorrent behavior online. I hope he knows just how stupid he looks and would encourage anyone living in North County to tell him as such.
49? Is that in dog’s years?
Much like the US we have a similar flag that represents brutal white supremacism. And the only cunts who think it’s cool to display the South African apartheid era flag, are unrepentant racists.
I thought you were talking about the Australian colonial flag.
Just as easily. In fact all the colonial flags
Reddit? Come on Beachgrit. Do better than Reddit. Now get me a HamSammish.
If this person still taps their feet when the start of Billie Jean comes on then the can shut up about this.
All Nazis are fuckwits but not all fuckwits are Nazis.
The Indigenous had slaves and captured them from enemy tribes. Alot of genocide went on between the tribes before said whitey ever stepped foot on north America. BUT HEY♡ we all originated from Africa. That makes us all African😅
Sam George in support of John Callahan.
Shocking
First paragraph of Inertia “article” as bad as 80’s Ad Copy ever was…. genuine retro. Finger on the pulse Sam.
If only the Tahitian butter compound with ginger applied to my eyes removed the sun damage better than pickled Cucumber slices….. those are sick with aloe, btw
As a life long surfer who has sacrificed a lot for pumping waves Stab embarrasses me but The Inertia I actually find offensive. I never go there but thought I would read that article cuz you mentioned it. Did you see some of the other articles up on there? Hhahahaahaha if you don’t laugh you’d cry ay
I looked because I read about the article and it was worse than I expected
The American magazines always sucked. We were hooked on SW and Tracks, different worlds. The US shit were clothing brochures
Diversity here in the Confederate Lost Cause South is hanging black people from different types of trees….fucking Crackers and their White Jesus.
Amen
Interestingly, is the fact that that largest mass hanging in America occurred in New Orleans in 1891 when 11 Italians immigrants and Italian American citizens were hanged. The 1891 event was the largest single mass lynching of Italians, but not an isolated incident. Between the 1880s and the 1920s, over 50 documented cases of Italians being lynched occurred across nine states, including Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Colorado.
You want slavery, murder and chaos…..elect Democrats; the founders of the KKK.
Oh cool, I guess you’re inferring that because Italians were also lynched that makes lynching ok? Or less horrific? What is the point of this whataboutism?
He is inferring that only Democrats are into murder, chaos and slavery, as opposed to it being a bipartisan thing.
no whataboutism.
it’s equivalency. point being racism is not exclusively a black thing….nor is slavery. Peasant Italians basically became slaves after the abolishment of slavery.
https://medium.com/the-polis/how-italians-were-recruited-to-become-the-new-n-ggers-and-ultimately-became-white-bff497ab1178
the Irish were also slaves.
https://search.syr.edu/discovery/fulldisplay/alma9971534433408496/01SYU_INST:SYU
problem in America is selective education based on historical disinformation. cherry picking one group to base outrage on diminishes the cruelty of slavery throughout civilization.
HC….there is a difference between humans being bought and sold as a commodity….than immigrants who were treated poorly.
I don’t think slavers went to Italy or Ireland and kidnapped whole villages.
Incorrect. the Irish and many poor Europeans (“the surplus”) were brought to America as slaves, chains and all.
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/90034279
and many Africans brought to America were often slaves in Western Africa before the Trans Atlantic slave trade began.
truth is only about 4-6% of African slaves were brought to the U.S.
the majority were transported to Brazil and the Caribbean.
The Democrats may have founded the KKK but MAGA is trying to make it relevant again.
horse shit
c’mon HC …..don’t take it to heart….
not taking it to heart, just saying what TGOJM is saying is a lie.
it’s a perception….Democrats are now left leaning Liberals, Republicans right wing ……amazing how the 2 x political parties seem to have swapped ideologies…..
yes, and the perception is incorrect. 90% of Americans get along regardless of skin color or political ideology.
there are about 10% of fringe ideologists on both sides that have the loudest voices. The 90% stay quiet because they are too busy just trying to make a living, raise their families and live their lives in peace.
the problem is politicians and media push a divisive narrative and they are the ones shaping the perception.
The truth must be hard to accept.
okay ghost…..give me the facts.
show me the receipts, some evidence that MAGA is trying to make the KKK “relevant” again.
Open your eyes.
Of course it has been rebranded, but still on full display to those of us who refused to accept a reality augmented by a Sharpie pen.
An Anglo centered society built largely to keep Anglo-American values and power structures at the front of any possible future outcome.
First political debate I get into in ages and now disqus/cloudflare is on the skitz. All for the best.
The silent majority is going to be quite the reckoning
Must have missed the Great Switch.
no real switch, Dixiecrats just took the label of Republican to gain more power and get the black vote. Dems never changed their racist ideologies and are still racists.
“Blacks mostly voted Republican from after the Civil War and through the early part of the 20th century. That’s not surprising when one considers that Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president, and the white, segregationist politicians who governed Southern states in those days were Democrats.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/
it wasn’t until the “New Deal” that blacks switched parties.
hmmmm…..any guess why?
tell us your version of why?
ah, fact check again, 38 Dakota men ( native Americans) in Mankato were hanged in 1862……..
I stand corrected…..difference being The Dakota attacked white settlers killing nearly 500 and taking 100’s of hostages.
The Italians, nope….just racism.
Ok HC…so the indigenous Indians suffered years of broken promises, hunger, whites were encroaching on their lands, there was a drought in 1861-62…..Little crow who lead the insurrection was quoted ” when men are hungry, they help themselves.” Treaty’s were broken and yeah….this was part of the American Indian wars…..Native survival vs US expansion!
racism in the south….literally 10 ‘s of thousands hung/killed…..Tulsa Race massacre/Rosewood /Red Summer/Springfield/St Louis/Colfax…….
Not saying the Indians didn’t have a gripe…just saying it was different circumstances. in all there were over 300 Indains sentenced to death, but only 38 were executed. there is no great explanation why, but I would imagine this 38 did some pretty nasty things.
I’m not Sioux, but in general Indians were known to be very creative when it came to cruelty and torture.
Some Indian tribes even owned black slaves
my point was simply responding to Fins and his continuous perpetuation of racial division.
and having you land taken till there’s no food …….after signing treaties that promised them……thats genocide…??
not arguing what lead to the uprising.’My families land was also taken and treaties broken.
getting way off track here. My original point was that blacks were not the only slaves in America and blacks were not the only people hanged.
cause and effect is an entirely different debate. Fact is, indeed every government throughout history have broken treaties and caused harm, and if you look through history, every race/sovereign people have been enslaved and forced into indentured servitude at one time or another…..and it continues to this day. the scale of indentured servitude amongst the illegal immigrant community in America is sickening.
Define slaves……people who were abducted from their Villages / country’s and sold as a commodity……
You could argue that in todays world servitude is to the banks…it’s called being a slave to credit?
Yep and who are they overwhelmingly indentured to?
The ‘democrats were racist because they founded the KKK’ is the dumbest argument. By that logic, if we look at everything else they did in the 1800s and 1900s, they’re also the party that created programs to work for their gubmint dole. And they were way more godly than any republican stronghold. Though that latter one might still be true.
Nobody’s hanging anybody you drama queen. I moved from California to the South and was surprised to see that blacks and whites get along here way better than in California.
way better!!!
John Calhoun is buried about 2 miles from where I live. Every Sunday I take a shit on his grave, doing the Lord’s work.
“American by birth, redneck by choice, Southern by the grace of God.”
seriously
Joel,s comment is rather moderate in my opinion .
I hate 90-95% of surfers, especially ones that I just meet , blowin city around here
90% of posters on r/surfing are adult beginners living in north county, ride $1800 joel tudor surfboards while wearing moonsuits, and will share a 1ft cardiff dawn patrol with Joel, let him snag every set wave, whisper “morning” while trembling… and then hop on Reddit like: “As a community, we cannot let this man continue to exist”
The Confederate flag badge here at BG was thing until someone dobbed me in to those running Disqus.
No surprises there (about the love of hate down here by some)